9h, Qh by HeRoS)eNGagE

Pot is 50$ on the river

What hands should he be doing this ?

I don't know if I have answers but I have questions.

Can he have like Ah5x? Ah4x? He probably shouldn't have these hands.

I bet he has the 56hh and a lot of gappers. I think that is why I would bet flop and turn big. As played I feel like most at small stakes get a bit scared in big pots like this but probability wise maybe this guy doesn't?

That seems like a big overbet. There is 53 in there on the river and he is betting the ole 132.66.

He's going to play the AhTs like this?

He just might. He just might. AhTs, AhTc, AhTd.

Ah5h, Ah6h, Ah7h, Ah8h, Ah9h, AhTh, AhQh, some AhKh. But he might not play all these hands that way.

You gotta call 132.66 to win 185.66. You gotta be right 71% is that right? I forget how to do math.

There's gotta be other stuff he bluffs with?

But, we haven't considered Kh6h+ or if he plays it like this.

There's more hands in there too surely I am just running out of steam.

Thank you for posting this. Interesting hand for me.

I am overly tired.

You block AhQh and Ah9h..... and most AhKh 4-bets. @100 bbs PiO 4bets 100%.

Hard 2 know.

1 different approach you can take in a bluffcatch spot like this is the "mass data" approach where u datamine millions of hands to see what does this overbet mean when fish does it and when a reg does it.

On May 20 2022 04:01 RiKD wrote: I don't know if I have answers but I have questions. Can he have like Ah5x? Ah4x? He probably shouldn't have these hands. I bet he has the 56hh and a lot of gappers. I think that is why I would bet flop and turn big. As played I feel like most at small stakes get a bit scared in big pots like this but probability wise maybe this guy doesn't? That seems like a big overbet. There is 53 in there on the river and he is betting the ole 132.66. He's going to play the AhTs like this? He just might. He just might. AhTs, AhTc, AhTd. Ah5h, Ah6h, Ah7h, Ah8h, Ah9h, AhTh, AhQh, some AhKh. But he might not play all these hands that way. You gotta call 132.66 to win 185.66. You gotta be right 71% is that right? I forget how to do math. There's gotta be other stuff he bluffs with? But, we haven't considered Kh6h+ or if he plays it like this. There's more hands in there too surely I am just running out of steam. Thank you for posting this. Interesting hand for me.

Your understanding of pot odds and mdf is incorrect. Correcting stuff like this is more important than trying 2 act cool and say "pio does this or that".

you did forget how to do math rikd. it's calling ~100 to win ~260. Excluding rake, you never need more than 50% to warrant a call.

I had a response but guess it didn't go through. I think as played we just close our eyes and call.
But as far as flop sizing goes, I believe this is a WA/WB type spot on the flop where villain has significantly more suited hands in his range than offsuit. So given that, 1/3rd psb on the flop is prob better. Turn then becomes something like 90-125% psb imo

So, we need to have the best hand 38.5%?

What else is he bluffing besides the AhTx? There are only 3 combos of that versus many combos of AhXh, KhXh. And, maybe it does not have to be said I don't see any worse hands value betting this spot. Th9h is a crazy shove on river. If he can have some of the worse KhXh maybe he can also have 3 combos of Ah8x. We have to find more bluffs if this is going to be a call. (I'm not saying this isn't possible). Maybe he has KhTx or JxTh. But, we need more bluff combos or else it's a fold.

I mean this is pretty damn near the top of our range. Just because we cant theoretically find enough bluffs in villains range based on how we perceive a hand should be played, does not equate to villain not having enough bluffs in this spot, or villain doesnt do this with enough value hands that we beat. Like who knows what hes thinking?

I'm just devil's advocate here.

There is definitely the issue of Qh9h being at the VERY top of our range and what that means. Remember I forgot how to calculate pot odds. I had to look up what mdf means. I'm just trying to learn.

Another question is do we shove river here instead of chk with Kh5h?

Lol cmon if u guys want to actually try to piece through the hand op needs to provide info at least if he is reg or fish or whatever. Y ru guys trying to piece together wtf is going on with 0 info given on villain thats pretty huge in this hand.

On May 21 2022 08:46 hiems wrote: Lol cmon if u guys want to actually try to piece through the hand op needs to provide info at least if he is reg or fish or whatever. Y ru guys trying to piece together wtf is going on with 0 info given on villain thats pretty huge in this hand.

Pretty sure GTO means playing your hand/your range of hands without knowing if the other player is reg, fish, loose, aggro, or a cat. Not saying you shouldn't deviate/exploit from there as per your reads but the starting point is theory based

On May 22 2022 13:06 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2022 08:46 hiems wrote: Lol cmon if u guys want to actually try to piece through the hand op needs to provide info at least if he is reg or fish or whatever. Y ru guys trying to piece together wtf is going on with 0 info given on villain thats pretty huge in this hand. Pretty sure GTO means playing your hand/your range of hands without knowing if the other player is reg, fish, loose, aggro, or a cat. Not saying you shouldn't deviate/exploit from there as per your reads but the starting point is theory based

Ya thats gto.

Agre that can be a starting point but idk there are spots where gto isn't great. This spot might be one of them cause I don't think alot of ppl are balanced here. River spots u can easily data mine so if u are a person that isn't lazy (like me) I feel like this is a better approach here and should go along side by side with gto here with the caveat that this isn't a high free spot but just in theory thats probably a better approach.

The way this hand played tho agree our hand is insanely strong.