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dnagardi   Hungary. Nov 12 2018 12:27. Posts 1562

I know most of the players here come from an sc background, however I also know there are some ex wc3 pros/semi pros here aswell.
As you know they announced the remastered version of WC3 at Blizzcon. Seems like they are putting much more effort into it than then they did with sc1 remastered.
Balance changes, new campaign, 4K graphics, new sounds and so much more.

Are you hyped? Will we see the renaissance of an all time esports classic?

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 12 2018 12:50. Posts 8452

It kind of pisses me off cause its just a fast money grab. Its gonna cost 30 fucking euros, which is quite ridiculous. Focusing on dead games while not getting out anything new....

I've had enough of wc3 during my lifetime to never touch it again.


dnagardi   Hungary. Nov 12 2018 13:56. Posts 1562

tbh I prefer this to WC4


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 12 2018 14:20. Posts 1319


  On November 12 2018 11:50 Spitfiree wrote:
It kind of pisses me off cause its just a fast money grab. Its gonna cost 30 fucking euros, which is quite ridiculous. Focusing on dead games while not getting out anything new....

I've had enough of wc3 during my lifetime to never touch it again.


yeah but their new games are shit?

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dnagardi   Hungary. Nov 12 2018 14:56. Posts 1562

yea exactly, sc2 was meh didn't hook me as I thought it would.
I rushed through Diablo3 just for the intros and story, gameplay was boring.

Meanwhile I'm constantly playing 1-5 games/week with wc3 for the past 15 years

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Expiate   Bulgaria. Nov 12 2018 15:30. Posts 226

Blizzard is going to hit the mobile games market hard in the next years and the new custom games that will appear on WC3 HD will give them many fresh ideas for mobile.

The price for a new texture pack and Battle.net 2.0 integration is pretty high, but I am hyped nevertheless - the pro scene will benefit a lot from such HD release. While I won't buy the game at the beginning, it is possible I acquire it later if they continuously deliver good patches to it. I guess this places me in the "wait and see" camp.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 12 2018 23:57. Posts 8452

I agree that their new gaems are shit, but they might as well try producing something good rather than reworking 15yo games?

I was pretty much a semi-pro @ wc3. Dont get me wrong, I like what they re doing, I just dont like the reasons they are doing it for.... 30eu for a 15yo game when your new games suck... really?

I even watched a few games a few months back in some random tournament in twitch. Tbh the game seems piss easy compared to starcraft, even though I thought differently when I was playing. Or maybe was just disappointed at seeing the "top" players now just being bad overall.

Also the Diablo Immortal announcement is a fucking joke... Its such a huge joke they insta lost 10% of their shares worth after announcing it. Since activision bought them, the only good thing they came up with is WoW Legion

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Expiate   Bulgaria. Nov 13 2018 00:40. Posts 226

Current rank 1 WC3 player (120 - his nickname) is pretty sick if you ask me. I've never seen someone like him own with UD in such a dominating way and I follow the pro scene since the very start of RoC. Grubby, Moon, Sky, th000 were all extremely sick during a time in their careers. 120 however is on another level. So, I wouldn't call the current top players bad.

Skill wise SC1, SC2 and WC3 are very different. I would not compare these. Moon played SC2 besides WC3 and had good results. SC2 and SC1 both had players that switched and performed good. I can't say *this* game is definitely higher skill capped than the others. We will find out one day when AI improves - whatever game is solved last is obviously hardest.


Zografa   Bulgaria. Nov 13 2018 16:48. Posts 890

I am biased ofc but SC1 and WC3 are the best games blizzard ever had, so im pretty happy about the second one getting a deserved upgrade.

I dont get why Diablo for mobile is a joke? Its pretty huge actually if you think about it. I always thought diablo can be a great game on mobile and business wise is a smart move out of blizzard.

SC game mechanics is much harder than WC3 and SC2 and this is why it takes much more practice to become good(even the first thing u have to do - worker split - is actually much more difficult than wc3 and in sc2 is automated).

The only player who was real good(like he was considered top3 at a moment on both games) on both SC1 and SC2 is JD i believe? Moon didnt have much success on the highest level of SC2.

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dnagardi   Hungary. Nov 13 2018 20:46. Posts 1562

naniwa was the best sc2 player who came from a wc3 pro background.

its useless to compare skillfwise sc to wc3. You need completetly different mechanics. Its like comparing dota to cs:go. You can't say either of them are harder than the other.


Expiate   Bulgaria. Nov 13 2018 22:29. Posts 226


  On November 13 2018 15:48 Zografa wrote:I dont get why Diablo for mobile is a joke?

It's not a joke, it's a complete parody for everyone who played any of the Diablo games on PC. First, DI is a dumbed down D3. Second, there is skill in aRPG games like Diablo/PoE too, not on an e-Sport level, but there is a skill nevertheless, which would totally be taken out with the mobile factor in hand. Third, the coding part is outsourced by the Chinese (Blizzard only offers them the graphics assets, which are booted on the NetEase engine) thus people don't expect a quality product on the Blizzard level.

I personally played a lot more Diablo in my life than all RTS games combined and I raged a lot during the Blizzcon opening ceremony. Epic retards those greedy bastards.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 13 2018 22:52. Posts 8452

The thing is, they are most likely working on Diablo 4 in the mean time. Its not that Diablo Immortal is a bad thing, its how they presented it that sucked. They went in front of a crowd of PC gamers, who were expecting Diablo 4 announcement as their company was hiring massive amounts of people for the Diablo team the past 1 year and they go ahead and announce a Diablo mobile game and try to tell people how good it is. Imagine getting plane tickets from Europe to Cali, buying Blizzcon tickets, being excited for their new announcement and receiving this spit in your face.

Blizzard has turned into a max profit company, which obviously isn't a bad thing, but they are completely neglecting their fanbase. The new WoW expansion is full of bugs and disappointements, Diablo universe is basically dead at this point. I actually tried playing D2 half a year ago, game is full of bots literally 90% of games are bots. D3 is also full of bots and dead. Hearthstone is just a money-milk, think they have like 20-30 milly profit milestone each quarter for HS alone, thus the 3-month expansions. Hots is nowhere close to other MOBAs... so yeah

People used to wait for their announcements with passion, now nobody expects anything anymore after this last Blizzcon. They even outsourced their support to India. I literally got "help" from a fucking Indian that spoke no English, after a month of tickets I finally got serviced by a native speaker that ended up gifting me a bunch of stuff to make up for the previous shit. I have a better chance of speaking Spanish than he had speaking English and i know like 100 words @ Spanish.

 Last edit: 13/11/2018 22:52

whammbot   Belarus. Nov 14 2018 00:39. Posts 238

Diablo mobile is just a Chinese knock-off of a Diablo game. Sure they can deny it but it looks awfully similar to older Chinese games but only re-skinned. Had they made it more compelling then people would've responded better, it's clearly a mobile cashgrab - at least put some effort into it ffs. It's totally uncharacteristic of Blizzard

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Expiate   Bulgaria. Nov 28 2018 16:09. Posts 226

WGL started today.


traxamillion   United States. Nov 28 2018 17:22. Posts 10376


  On November 12 2018 22:57 Spitfiree wrote:
I agree that their new gaems are shit, but they might as well try producing something good rather than reworking 15yo games?

I was pretty much a semi-pro @ wc3. Dont get me wrong, I like what they re doing, I just dont like the reasons they are doing it for.... 30eu for a 15yo game when your new games suck... really?

I even watched a few games a few months back in some random tournament in twitch. Tbh the game seems piss easy compared to starcraft, even though I thought differently when I was playing. Or maybe was just disappointed at seeing the "top" players now just being bad overall.

Also the Diablo Immortal announcement is a fucking joke... Its such a huge joke they insta lost 10% of their shares worth after announcing it. Since activision bought them, the only good thing they came up with is WoW Legion



They don't even have the teams and people anymore that created the 2 best RTS of all time (sc1 & wc3. Not only the best RTS but also top 3-5 games ever period along with smash bros melee and counter-strike).

Blizzard is incapable of creating the greate games they once did. Might as well redo the classics. You know how many people would prefer Smash Bros Melee HD over this Smash Ultimate (smash 4 engine trash remake) game coming out?

The money is in the normies these days. Mobile game garbage people waste their time on rather than getting their important work done and then setting aside some time at home to game on a computer or console. Not only can Blizzard sell the mobile games but the idiots who play that shit will eat up all the expensive DLC that comes along with it.


traxamillion   United States. Nov 28 2018 17:26. Posts 10376


  On November 12 2018 23:40 Expiate wrote:
Current rank 1 WC3 player (120 - his nickname) is pretty sick if you ask me. I've never seen someone like him own with UD in such a dominating way and I follow the pro scene since the very start of RoC. Grubby, Moon, Sky, th000 were all extremely sick during a time in their careers. 120 however is on another level. So, I wouldn't call the current top players bad.

Skill wise SC1, SC2 and WC3 are very different. I would not compare these. Moon played SC2 besides WC3 and had good results. SC2 and SC1 both had players that switched and performed good. I can't say *this* game is definitely higher skill capped than the others. We will find out one day when AI improves - whatever game is solved last is obviously hardest.



TH000 is still the best player. He is extremely sick. He and Infi play literally all 4 races at the pro level. TH0000 has actually won the last 2 world championships (over 120) and is the reigning world champion. The issue right now is the new 1.30 patch. 1.29 was actually quite balanced. In 1.30 every race got buffed except Human which got nerfed. With the new militia having 20 seconds vs 25 humans can't even get up the fast expands that they barely were able to get up before. This new KOTG vs a fast expand???? hahaha. HU is unviable it is a 3 race game right now (orc, ud, ne). TH000 is a human main. The game will be patched again soon.

120 is the best UD though and arguable #1 at this exact moment.


Expiate   Bulgaria. Nov 28 2018 18:51. Posts 226

It depends what ones mean by best. If it's all time tournament money won it's Moon. If it's all races all around it's th000. If it's pure skill and execution that is 120 for me. No UD player all these years since WC3 release won some of the major tournaments until 120 appeared and crushed everyone with the weakest race.

About the mobile gaming - I am starting to think we (old PC-only gamers) are already a dying species. Our time has passed, PC gaming brightest years are gone and will never return. It was fun while it lasted, just as with online poker.


Zografa   Bulgaria. Nov 28 2018 19:31. Posts 890


  On November 28 2018 15:09 Expiate wrote:
WGL started today.



someone heard smth about 500k$++ tournament about to be held next year? it will be insane and will give the wc3 the so much needed restart... im so in love with those classic blizzard games i cant even look at sc2

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dnagardi   Hungary. Nov 28 2018 19:57. Posts 1562

https://warcraft3.info/articles/228/n...t-700000-usd-in-tournaments-next-year


yea th00, moon, grubby

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infi and sky had the sickest mechanics but were never really smart players


Baalim   Mexico. Nov 28 2018 22:49. Posts 32244

I loved WC2 and SC/BW, but I hated WC3 and SC2 not sure why.

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