You're not using the right version of pcpartpicker. Your parts are all linking to US websites. Switch to Canada to find the best Canadian deals.
FYI I got the same video card and it's an amazing card, but it doesn't reach close to 144 fps in the most demanding games like modded Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 on ultra settings. Around 100-110 in most areas though (at 1080P). With G-sync on top of it, it's really smooth.
And you should really invest in an overclockable setup with an aftermarket cooler for a gaming PC.
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On July 30 2016 22:16 Loco wrote:
You're not using the right version of pcpartpicker. Your parts are all linking to US websites. Switch to Canada to find the best Canadian deals.
FYI I got the same video card and it's an amazing card, but it doesn't reach close to 144 fps in the most demanding games like modded Fallout 4 and Witcher 3 on ultra settings. Around 100-110 in most areas though. With G-sync on top of it, it's really smooth.
And you should really invest in an overclockable setup with an aftermarket cooler for a gaming PC.
"And you should really invest in an overclockable setup with an aftermarket cooler for a gaming PC."
Are you sure tho? Most experts said its a bit of an overkill at this point.
Well i mean, it would be "better" but i decided my budget is 2500$ because i wanted to set a limit at some point
I mostly play overwatch so it should perform pretty well.
I'd look into getting a better processor, an i7 so you get hyperthreading (doubles the cores) should be a lot more future-proof. The i7-6700k is only ~50% more expensive than what you chose and will work with your current setup if you decide to go that route.
I agree that overclocking is a waste of time unless you enjoy the process of doing it. You're going to invest 10-20+ hours into researching/overclocking/troubleshooting + extra $ for cooling, in return you get a <15% increase in performance that you will never use.
On July 30 2016 23:49 Smuft wrote:
1070 will destroy overwatch
I'd look into getting a better processor, an i7 so you get hyperthreading (doubles the cores) should be a lot more future-proof. The i7-6700k is only ~50% more expensive than what you chose and will work with your current setup if you decide to go that route.
I agree that overclocking is a waste of time unless you enjoy the process of doing it. You're going to invest 10-20+ hours into researching/overclocking/troubleshooting + extra $ for cooling, in return you get a <15% increase in performance that you will never use.
This essentially explains you what kind of processor you need for each cards.
For a GTX 1070, that I5 6500 is all you need.
Most shops stupidly gives you super powerfull processors with crap cards, which is horribad for gaming.
That being said, i guess that if in 3-4 years i decided to ugrade my GPU, then ill also need to ugrade my CPU.
But i went on reddit asking experts of computer building and most agreed this was a good build.
I guess its easy to say "hey for just 200$ more, u get an I7!". But then "for just 300$ more, u get the GTX 1080!". And then you also need to ugrade the motherboard, PSU, etc. And then you end up with the Enthusiast build, which is simply a massive unneeded overkill for overwatch
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PolarFox United States. Jul 31 2016 01:19. Posts 103
i got the amd 8 core and lemme tell you, for it's price, it's really good. (think i got it for 100 at the time) (thought this would require a different motherboard)
gold certified power supply doesn't mean anything, either. its just a way to bump up the price
I would choose a different gpu. new cards are never a good idea to get. (overpriced, might not be the next flagship card, gonna suck if it doesn't work or craps out after a month for that price)
ram is also probably excessive. ive been running good on 8 gigs.
On July 31 2016 00:19 PolarFox wrote:
i got the amd 8 core and lemme tell you, for it's price, it's really good. (think i got it for 100 at the time) (thought this would require a different motherboard)
gold certified power supply doesn't mean anything, either. its just a way to bump up the price
I would choose a different gpu. new cards are never a good idea to get. (overpriced, might not be the next flagship card, gonna suck if it doesn't work or craps out after a month for that price)
ram is also probably excessive. ive been running good on 8 gigs.
Are u refering to the FX-8370?
It looks alright, but mine is 21% faster, doubt it would run my GTX 1070. Reason i went for the GTX1070 is because I wanted to run overwatch at ultra settings, 1440p and 144 FPS
It most likely still won't be enough, but i will turn off some useless annoying settings and it should run it.
Also note my screen can overclock to 165 fps with g sync
For the ram ur most likely right but it was almost the same price and i tend to have lots of stuff open
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PolarFox United States. Jul 31 2016 01:47. Posts 103
if you look at the gpu price history you can see it's dropped about 200 bucks since its release which wasn't long ago at all
you could probably wait another month or so and get it for cheaper or on sale. you would probably feel a little regret getting it now and then six months later seeing it at 250. but is that 150 you saved worth it for waiting? thats up to you
then again im content with low poly over high detail.
(its actually funny because my gpu bottlenecks my cpu)
yeah your research is solid, only good reason to go to an i7 is for the future where you might want to try out VR or some other CPU intensive game. For an extra 100-150$, it's worth considering IMO
I played a bit overwatch in beta at 4k on default settings with a GTX 970 and an i7 4790k, can't remember exact FPS but it was smooth enough that i'd never considering upgrading past that if all I wanted to do was play overwatch
On July 31 2016 00:50 Smuft wrote:
yeah your research is solid, only good reason to go to an i7 is for the future where you might want to try out VR or some other CPU intensive game. For an extra 100-150$, it's worth considering IMO
I played a bit overwatch in beta at 4k on default settings with a GTX 970 and an i7 4790k, can't remember exact FPS but it was smooth enough that i'd never considering upgrading past that if all I wanted to do was play overwatch
Keep in mind 1440p does not require as much power as 4K. Running overwatch on 4K at 165 FPS on ultra settings would require a BEAST of a computer lol
But i didn't even consider it because 4K screens with 144 FPS with g sync just does not exist.
The thing is, that "future" argument can be used for pretty much any parts. I could get GTX 1080 for a little more too. But then, for a little more id need a better psu, a better motherboard, etc.
I feel like the "outstanding tier" was best for me. It will run most games i play at REALLY good settings, and in 2-3 years when it starts to fall behind, then i will replace the CPU and GPU for much better prices.
On July 31 2016 00:47 PolarFox wrote:
if you look at the gpu price history you can see it's dropped about 200 bucks since its release which wasn't long ago at all
you could probably wait another month or so and get it for cheaper or on sale. you would probably feel a little regret getting it now and then six months later seeing it at 250. but is that 150 you saved worth it for waiting? thats up to you
then again im content with low poly over high detail.
(its actually funny because my gpu bottlenecks my cpu)
Of course computer parts price will drop with time. I guess the "outstanding" tier i went with is a bit on the "loose" side.
The reason i went for it is because, i researched a lot on the net, and apparently, 144 FPS makes A HUGE difference, AND 1440p makes a HUGE difference. I wanted both of them. And to run both of those, you need a fairly strong computer....
On July 30 2016 23:49 Smuft wrote:
1070 will destroy overwatch
I'd look into getting a better processor, an i7 so you get hyperthreading (doubles the cores) should be a lot more future-proof. The i7-6700k is only ~50% more expensive than what you chose and will work with your current setup if you decide to go that route.
I agree that overclocking is a waste of time unless you enjoy the process of doing it. You're going to invest 10-20+ hours into researching/overclocking/troubleshooting + extra $ for cooling, in return you get a <15% increase in performance that you will never use.
Doesn't have to be a perfect enthusiast OC. Just a mild OC that takes a couple hours to do. At least he would have the headroom to OC it some more in the following years. A CM 212 EVO is pretty cheap and completely worth it over the stock intel fan imo.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On July 30 2016 23:49 Smuft wrote:
1070 will destroy overwatch
I'd look into getting a better processor, an i7 so you get hyperthreading (doubles the cores) should be a lot more future-proof. The i7-6700k is only ~50% more expensive than what you chose and will work with your current setup if you decide to go that route.
I agree that overclocking is a waste of time unless you enjoy the process of doing it. You're going to invest 10-20+ hours into researching/overclocking/troubleshooting + extra $ for cooling, in return you get a <15% increase in performance that you will never use.
On July 30 2016 23:49 Smuft wrote:
1070 will destroy overwatch
I'd look into getting a better processor, an i7 so you get hyperthreading (doubles the cores) should be a lot more future-proof. The i7-6700k is only ~50% more expensive than what you chose and will work with your current setup if you decide to go that route.
I agree that overclocking is a waste of time unless you enjoy the process of doing it. You're going to invest 10-20+ hours into researching/overclocking/troubleshooting + extra $ for cooling, in return you get a <15% increase in performance that you will never use.
On July 31 2016 02:07 Baalim wrote:
agreed with Smuft I see no good reason to CAP your computer at the processor, Id go for an i7, that monitor is exensive as fuck
Only ugrading the processor isn't gonna improve game performance much if i still only have a GTX 1070.
Right now, my current Laptop is a stupid laptop i bought in the stores for 1600$ 3 years ago.
It had an I7, which is actually really strong even today, but it had a crap video card which is like 10x worst than a GTX 1070
So right now, i can barely play overwatch on lowest settings at 60 fps.
TLDR: its useless to have a sick processor if your video card sucks for gaming.
On July 31 2016 02:07 Baalim wrote:
agreed with Smuft I see no good reason to CAP your computer at the processor, Id go for an i7, that monitor is exensive as fuck
Monitor is super expansive because its one of only monitor that does 144 FPS+ AND 1440p AND g-sync AND IPS
And all of those are pretty important for gaming imo.
On July 30 2016 23:49 Smuft wrote:
1070 will destroy overwatch
I'd look into getting a better processor, an i7 so you get hyperthreading (doubles the cores) should be a lot more future-proof. The i7-6700k is only ~50% more expensive than what you chose and will work with your current setup if you decide to go that route.
I agree that overclocking is a waste of time unless you enjoy the process of doing it. You're going to invest 10-20+ hours into researching/overclocking/troubleshooting + extra $ for cooling, in return you get a <15% increase in performance that you will never use.
The "outstanding build" does include an aftermarket cooler which isn't in your pcpartpicker list. It's the 212 EVO which I think is worth every penny.
The cooler is if you go for the 6600K version and you overclock. If you don't overclock, stock fans is enough.
Go look again. The "outstanding" build you linked to with the 6500 has a 212 EVO. The 6600k is paired with a Ereboss or a NH-U12S for bigger OC. There are no stock HSF recommendations for any builds above "superb".
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On July 30 2016 23:49 Smuft wrote:
1070 will destroy overwatch
I'd look into getting a better processor, an i7 so you get hyperthreading (doubles the cores) should be a lot more future-proof. The i7-6700k is only ~50% more expensive than what you chose and will work with your current setup if you decide to go that route.
I agree that overclocking is a waste of time unless you enjoy the process of doing it. You're going to invest 10-20+ hours into researching/overclocking/troubleshooting + extra $ for cooling, in return you get a <15% increase in performance that you will never use.
The "outstanding build" does include an aftermarket cooler which isn't in your pcpartpicker list. It's the 212 EVO which I think is worth every penny.
The cooler is if you go for the 6600K version and you overclock. If you don't overclock, stock fans is enough.
Go look again. The "outstanding" build you linked to with the 6500 has a 212 EVO. The 6600k is paired with a Ereboss or a NH-U12S for bigger OC. There are no stock HSF recommendations for any builds above "superb".
I think thats because the I5 6500 actually CAN overclock. But i don't plan on over clocking.
Just google it, if you don't over clock its fine... well anyways thats what my co worker told me and thats what i've found on the web. worst case, i actually have the cpu temp/fps activated in overwatch, so if i actually see it does overheat well ill order a cooler
I suppose you could argue its retarded to not get it just to save 40$ on a 2500$ build, but i mean, if its useless, its useless
Essentially, smart computer builds make sure that your CPU does not bottleneck your GPU, and your GPU does not bottleneck your CPU
Most shops are dumb about this and go overkill with the CPU with a weak GPU, but for optimal gaming performance, thats not the way to go. You want the strongest possible GPU that your CPU can support.
Btw just for fun, today i tested overwatch with 1440P resolution on max settings... graphics looked amazing but i had a whooping 8 FPS or so LOL (im still on my old laptop...)
Intel i5 6500
8 GB DDR3 RAM (1600 MHz +)
A PCIe x16 3.0 slot to install the card in.
The i5 6500 might bottleneck the card atmost 5FPS at 1920x1080 in some CPU intensive AAA tittles at Ultra Settings. However, the CPU bottleneck becomes less prominent as you start going of higher resolutions like 2560x1440.
Other than that, if you play at 1920x1080, then please don’t go for GTX 1070 as it will be an overkill. Wait for a GTX 1060 and buy that. It will still give you north of 60FPS at Ultra settings at 1080p with FXAA."
It does seem that the day i decide to ugrade my GPU, i will need to ugrade CPU too.
I've seen a couple of benchmarks which compares the fps between a 6600k stock vs OC to 4.6ghz and the difference is massive in a few games like Shadows of Mordor and GTA V (20-25+ fps) but very insignificant in other games. And the 6600k is clocked higher than the 6500, so that's possibly a ~30 fps loss in some games without much future proofing at all by going the 6500 route without OC. Seems like a suboptimal gaming build to me, but you know best how you use your PC.
Btw those 1070s from MSI usually overclock very well. Mine is at 2100mhz/9500mhz stable in the most demanding games. It's really impressive and it makes a fairly big difference in FPS.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On July 31 2016 07:55 Loco wrote:
I've seen a couple of benchmarks which compares the fps between a 6600k stock vs OC to 4.6ghz and the difference is massive in a few games like Shadows of Mordor and GTA V (20-25+ fps) but very insignificant in other games. And the 6600k is clocked higher than the 6500, so that's possibly a ~30 fps loss in some games without much future proofing at all by going the 6500 route without OC. Seems like a suboptimal gaming build to me, but you know best how you use your PC.
Btw those 1070s from MSI usually overclock very well. Mine is at 2100mhz/9500mhz stable in the most demanding games. It's really impressive and it makes a fairly big difference in FPS.
was that at 1440p? because at 1080p, as i said in my post, it CAN make a difference. But 1440 is so demanding on the gpu, from what ive read, my i5 6500 isn't gonna bottle neck it.
Maybe in some very specific games it could happen, but my GPU bottle necking the CPU is a lot more likely to happen.
But to be honest, i did not research over clocking very much... i didn't even know u can over clock the 1070. I will have to check that out.
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flounder44 United States. Jul 31 2016 19:13. Posts 916
i have an i7 and it is overkill. Usually its at 2% usage at most. Wouldn't get one unless ur using apps that will utilize it.
On July 31 2016 18:13 flounder44 wrote:
i have an i7 and it is overkill. Usually its at 2% usage at most. Wouldn't get one unless ur using apps that will utilize it.
Yea in 99% of cases, for gaming, modern I7 like the 6900K is total overkill unless you have like dual GTX 1080 in SLI.
But the shops always give PCs huge processors and crap GPU, because most people have no idea about computers and just look at the processor.
Even people on here advise getting I7s with a GTX 1070 even tho they are way more tech savy than general public.
Also, its funny how shops never include SSD even tho its amazing, and they give you crap case, crap PSU, crap ram. I'm so happy i decided to build my own.
On July 31 2016 18:13 flounder44 wrote:
i have an i7 and it is overkill. Usually its at 2% usage at most. Wouldn't get one unless ur using apps that will utilize it.
Yea in 99% of cases, for gaming, modern I7 like the 6900K is total overkill unless you have like dual GTX 1080 in SLI.
But the shops always give PCs huge processors and crap GPU, because most people have no idea about computers and just look at the processor.
Even people on here advise getting I7s with a GTX 1070 even tho they are way more tech savy than general public.
Also, its funny how shops never include SSD even tho its amazing, and they give you crap case, crap PSU, crap ram. I'm so happy i decided to build my own.
remember gaming isn't the only use for high powered rigs, in particular the CPU is used in a lot of poker applications these days
I have an i7 on my laptop to keep HEM2 and notecaddy running smoothly
piosolver rig is a 12 core xeon (or 24 threads cause hyperthreading)
both have trashcans for video cards
not surprising there is a bias towards higher powered CPU on a poker forum
On July 31 2016 22:40 Smuft wrote:
can you tell the difference in FPS?
like if you were in a clinical trial and randomly played on 3 machines:
machine A) 100 FPS
machine B) 120 FPS
machine C) 140 FPS
would you be able to tell the difference?
would any one of these machines have a competitive advantage over another?
Ok first of all, you actually need a screen that does display 144 FPS obviously.
I personally don't have my computer yet, so i cannot really answer your question.
But, if i look at 30 FPS and 60 FPS, the difference is MASSIVE. Like not even close.
I have read on the web, and apparently, difference between 60 FPS and 144 FPS is just as massive.
But i can't really confirm that yet since i didn't get to see it yet with my own eyes. I will probably do like a small blog entry once i see it myself
And finally, YES its supposed to give a big competitive edge in First person shooters. In a game like starcraft, not so much.
Here is a video that gives an idea of how big difference is:
"144 fps is definitely worth it, because it simply makes aiming and playing the game feel smoother. But also it's worth noting that the most important thing is to have a low ping along with that."
My guess is, as you up in FPS, you get diminishing returns. My screen can go up to 165 FPS but i doubt thats necessary.
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