- Ryan LaFlare was expected to face Alexander Yakovlev at the event. However, LaFlare was removed from the fight in early June after sustaining an undisclosed injury and replaced by The Ultimate Fighter: American Top Team vs. Blackzilians winner Kamaru Usman.
- Tony Martin was expected to face Michel Prazeres at the event. However, Martin pulled out on July 6 due to a neck injury and was replaced by promotional newcomer J.C. Cottrell.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 14 2016 20:17. Posts 13051
Yesterday I bet on Shevchenko too, I think she has great value (+290) as the fight is going to be a stand up fight. Shevchenko is a muay thai champ and she beat Joanna J. 3 times, she represents my country (Perú) but thats not the reason I am betting on her I really think she has a good chance.
On July 15 2016 02:23 Baalim wrote:
have you guys watched that woman fight before seriously? do you watch every fight in the universe or what?
lol
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traxamillion United States. Jul 15 2016 16:09. Posts 10468
I took some Shevchenko at +265
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soberstone United States. Jul 15 2016 16:37. Posts 2662
Agree with everyone that the odds on Schevchenko seem too wide. I do have trouble seeing how she's going to get inside on Holm but she hits way harder that's for sure.
On July 15 2016 02:23 Baalim wrote:
have you guys watched that woman fight before seriously? do you watch every fight in the universe or what?
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 16 2016 02:02. Posts 13051
On July 16 2016 00:25 lucky331 wrote:
still not convnced schev will beat holm. i think holm will be mega super uber motivated in this fight.
Holm is always motivated. Her mindset is never different from what I know of her later boxing career and MMA career.
If she Holm loses, it won't have anything to do with her not being focused or mentally weak.
I personally think that Shevchenko is the better overall striker, while Holm is the better pure boxer. Holm throws high kicks and side kicks once in awhile, but they will either miss or won't do much to Shevchenko. Shevchenko is also a good clinch fighter and can get the take down, while Holm sucks in the clinch (in boxing and in MMA) and has no skills on the ground.
Tate exposed some major holes in Holm's grappling. Shevchenko's grappling looked good against Kaufman and she dominated the 3rd round vs Nunes. She can def hang on the feet also, so there is some value on her. Most likely Holm wins boring decision.
Also very interested to see how Barboza deals with Melendez. I think it is a bad stylistic match up for him, but Gilbert looks so shot, that I don't know if it is a good idea betting on it. Anyways Barboza had some major problems with wrestlers in the past and also with guys that put the pressure on him and that is exactly what Melendez is known for.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jul 21 2016 22:56. Posts 7499
Rumor going around someone on this card just got popped by USADA.
Wouldn't surprise me if its Ngannou, dudes gotta be on the sauce hard as fuck.
edit: turns out it was George Sullivan
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 22 2016 12:42. Posts 13051
On July 22 2016 07:05 lucky331 wrote:
check out herrig
this makes me wanna bet on the other girl.
Standard for Herrig when she's cutting weight.
I'm still undecided on who I think will win, since I have a good grasp on both of their styles of fighting, and all their flaws (they have a lot).
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traxamillion United States. Jul 22 2016 15:42. Posts 10468
Shevchenko down to +180.
+280 opening looking like good value
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jul 23 2016 00:58. Posts 7499
God damn thats Conoresque. Why in gods name would you post that pic. Gross.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 23 2016 01:17. Posts 13051
^ REAL weigh-in
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FAKE weigh-in
Holly Holm (135) vs. Valentina Shevchenko (133)
Edson Barboza (155) vs. Gilbert Melendez (155)
Bojan Mihajlovic (228) vs. Francis Ngannou (259)
Kailin Curran (116) vs. Felice Herrig (115)
Frankie Saenz (135) vs. Eddie Wineland (135)
Darren Elkins (145) vs. Godofredo Pepey (145)
Kamaru Usman (170) vs. Alexander Yakovlev (170)
J.C. Cottrell (155) vs. Michel Prazeres (155)
James Moontasri (170) vs. Alex Oliveira (170)
Jim Alers (145) vs. Jason Knight (145)
Luis Henrique (253) vs. Dmitry Smolyakov (251)
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• Both Holm and Shevchenko looked great. Holm will obviously be the bigger girl in the cage tomorrow after she re-hydrates.
• I was surprised to see Barboza and Melendez around the same height. I expected Barboza to be a few inches taller. Gilbert's body looks decent; he never looks shredded.
• Ngannou is a beast, and probably doesn't cut weight. He has the massive height + weight + striking advantage, while Bojan looks gross as fuck.
• Herrig looked amazing on the scale during the fake weigh-in, much better than her anorexic pic that was posted earlier. Curran looked as good as usual.
• I was surprised Elkins and Pepey are about the same height, even though Pepey will be the heavier fighter in the cage.
• Cottrell doesn't have that much of a height advantage over Prazeres like I thought he'd have.
• Moontasri looks decent, but soft; no idea why he moved up to 170 for this fight. Oliveira looks legit and will have the size advantage in all areas in the cage.
• Henrique pushed Smoly for no reason. Possibly trying to get in his head.
The three fights presented in road to the Octagon are all pretty fun, but after those three I have no idea who these people are. I remember the days when FOX cards looked like PPV's. I really don't want anyone to lose in Holm vs. Shevchenko.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 23 2016 02:42. Posts 13051
On July 23 2016 00:28 lucky331 wrote:
what do you guys think of holm -5.5 pts at +125 and holm UD at +150?
No way would I bet -5.5 for Holm. I'd rather bet +5.5 on Shevchenko.
On July 23 2016 00:47 Montrachet wrote:
Why was Svhevchenko at 133? That can't be good news.
Shevchenko used to be a 125`er, and is the shorter fighter.
Her being 133 isn't good or bad, it's just normal.
Why was Svhevchenko at 133? That can't be good news.[/QUOTE]
Shevchenko used to be a 125`er, and is the shorter fighter.
Her being 133 isn't good or bad, it's just normal.[/QUOTE]
This is her third fight in the UFC at 135 pound if I am not mistaken. She could have gained some muscle by then knowing that this would be her division. Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of weight cutting but if she goes in there with a 5-10 pound disadvantage, its not a ''neutral'' news.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 23 2016 20:30. Posts 13051
On July 23 2016 19:03 Montrachet wrote:
Why was Svhevchenko at 133? That can't be good news.
Shevchenko used to be a 125`er, and is the shorter fighter.
Her being 133 isn't good or bad, it's just normal.[/QUOTE]
This is her third fight in the UFC at 135 pound if I am not mistaken. She could have gained some muscle by then knowing that this would be her division. Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of weight cutting but if she goes in there with a 5-10 pound disadvantage, its not a ''neutral'' news. [/QUOTE]
People said and thought the same thing about Frankie Edgar and many other small fighters in various weight divisions. Also, gaining extra muscle tends to slow some fighters down.
Since Holm isn't a grappler -- and is at a grappling disadvantage in this fight -- her size won't be the deciding factor if she were to win. Holm is an outside striker who isn't ashamed to point-fight her way to a win. She knows how good of a striker Shevchenko is, especially in the clinch, so she will want to employ the same game plan that made her famous in boxing, just like she has done in her UFC fights.
The Frankie and grappling non-issue were pretty much the arguments I expected and are indeed valid. I just though that she would take advantage of the extra weight she could gain. Some extra muscle could help her to impose a clinching game more easily. I did not expect her to train at 150 and cut to 135. Do you think she will weight 133 for the fight? and what would be the potential weight of Holm considering she does a weight cut to reach 135?
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 23 2016 21:11. Posts 13051
On July 23 2016 19:53 Montrachet wrote:
The Frankie and grappling non-issue were pretty much the arguments I expected and are indeed valid. I just though that she would take advantage of the extra weight she could gain. Some extra muscle could help her to impose a clinching game more easily. I did not expect her to train at 150 and cut to 135. Do you think she will weight 133 for the fight? and what would be the potential weight of Holm considering she does a weight cut to reach 135?
Shevchenko won't weigh more than 140 on fight-night. I'd guess around 136, since she didn't drain herself to make the weight and will eat a normal dinner and make sure she'd hydrated before the fight starts.
No idea what Holm will weigh. Each fighter is different with how much weight they put on, cuz it's not healthy to put on too much weight in 24 hours, and could make you feel like shit and/or slow you down in a fight, especially a 5-round fight.
If I had to guess, I would say Holm will weigh 145 on fight-night, mostly cuz she's taller and has a naturally larger frame for the division, and cuts a decent amount to make the weight.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 23 2016 21:38. Posts 13051
PuertoRican United States. Jul 23 2016 21:52. Posts 13051
Nice performance from Henrique.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jul 23 2016 22:00. Posts 7499
On July 23 2016 01:05 Nazgul wrote:
The three fights presented in road to the Octagon are all pretty fun, but after those three I have no idea who these people are. I remember the days when FOX cards looked like PPV's. I really don't want anyone to lose in Holm vs. Shevchenko.
Damn I didn't even realize this was a legit Fox card, these cards have fallen off so much. Maybe since the UFC is selling they don't care anymore about their deal with Fox? Because this is pretty terrible compared to the cards they used to have not that long ago.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 23 2016 22:27. Posts 13051
Knight vs. Alers was pretty fun to watch.
I have it 2-1 for Knight.
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soberstone United States. Jul 23 2016 22:31. Posts 2662
Haha yah Knight just a tough rugged Southern Boy with an endless gas tank.
Pepey's coach: don't pull guard any more..
Pepey in the 3rd round pulls guard twice
longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality!
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 24 2016 01:12. Posts 13051
On July 24 2016 00:09 jvilla777 wrote:
Pepey's coach: don't pull guard any more..
Pepey in the 3rd round pulls guard twice
Pepey gets back up, then pulls guard...
I didn't expect him to come in with a terrible game plan. He was content with pulling guard multiple times against a grinding fighter who has no issues winning via boring decision.
It was also Pepey's first fight outside of Brazil, but I don't know if that mattered much.
Melendez won't walk for couple days at least. He must regret going for that double leg when Barboza was hurt. Barboza really went super safe on that third round.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 24 2016 02:21. Posts 13051
Time for Gilbert to call it a day and go run his gym and coach his wife full-time.
He's 1-4 in the UFC, and hasn't improved in any area of MMA in several years.
He is still an entertaining fighter but hes far from a title shot now. That division is stacked. He looked kinda dumb not being able to go southpaw when his lead leg was fucked.
How in the heck did you spot Shevchenko to win straight up? Pretty crazy imo.
Broke even in this even, won on Oliviera, Herrig and a bunch on barboza, lost on Pepey, Saenz on Holm
- I know how both Shevchenko and Holm fight.
- Shevchenko has fought 5 rounds multiple times in recent fights, so I knew it wouldn't be a problem.
- Holly is a low volume striker and has no power. Shevchenko throws a little more strikes per round and is WAY more skilled in overall striking, while Holm is just a pitter patter boxer with slow kicks (her kicks looked even slower tonight).
- Shevchenko is a black belt in Judo -- among other martial arts -- and took down Sarah Kaufman several times. Kaufman is well-known for her TDD.
- I expected Shevchenko to get more take downs and possibly win via late submission, but her coaches told her to stop wasting her energy on TDs and clinch, so she kept the fight in the middle.
- Holm almost lost a split-decision against Pennington, a brawler, in her UFC debut.
- If you ever watch Holm's boxing matches, you'll know she has no problem winning via points. She has no sense of urgency, which is bad if she can't land and is getting countered.
- Since Holm is an outside fighter, I assumed Shevchenko would have an easy time game planning for her. She wouldn't need to worry about take downs, and she didn't have to worry about submission attempts.
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PuertoRican United States. Jul 24 2016 04:31. Posts 13051
Amanda Nunes responded on Twitter that she thinks Shevchenko still needs to improve her skills before they rematch, and that she should fight Julianna Pena first.
Nunes clearly doesn't want a piece of Pena. She also knows Shevchenko will finish what she started in Round 3 of their first fight.
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traxamillion United States. Jul 24 2016 04:32. Posts 10468
How in the heck did you spot Shevchenko to win straight up? Pretty crazy imo.
Broke even in this even, won on Oliviera, Herrig and a bunch on barboza, lost on Pepey, Saenz on Holm
- I know how both Shevchenko and Holm fight.
- Shevchenko has fought 5 rounds multiple times in recent fights, so I knew it wouldn't be a problem.
- Holly is a low volume striker and has no power. Shevchenko throws a little more strikes per round and is WAY more skilled in overall striking, while Holm is just a pitter patter boxer with slow kicks (her kicks looked even slower tonight).
- Shevchenko is a black belt in Judo -- among other martial arts -- and took down Sarah Kaufman several times. Kaufman is well-known for her TDD.
- I expected Shevchenko to get more take downs and possibly win via late submission, but her coaches told her to stop wasting her energy on TDs and clinch, so she kept the fight in the middle.
- Holm almost lost a split-decision against Pennington, a brawler, in her UFC debut.
- If you ever watch Holm's boxing matches, you'll know she has no problem winning via points. She has no sense of urgency, which is bad if she can't land and is getting countered.
- Since Holm is an outside fighter, I assumed Shevchenko would have an easy time game planning for her. She wouldn't need to worry about take downs, and she didn't have to worry about submission attempts.
People overrate Holm since she defeated Rousey and I was the one most vocal saying Holm would beat Ronda but simply because it was a stylistical nightmare for Rousey but she has done very poorly against very mediocre competition, her boxing is suprisingly bad (considering her credentials), she has no head movement, has awful combinations, isnt that great countering, she is technical and utilizes the southpaw tricks well and also covers distance quickly... actually I thought her distance control was better but after watching this fight wtf... it looked like SHE needed to get in range.
Indeed Holm seemed like she had to get in range. All her shots were short or she would kinda bull rush in a 3-4 combination and end up missing all the shevchenko landing a leg kick.
Holm looked like garbage. She is terrible offencively. Just more of the same "usshhh ushhh" retarded combos that fall short 40cm of touching anything. Super tentative.
Let Shevchenko loose, she has some beast mode in her and i'd like to see her go full retard on someone.
On July 24 2016 13:37 Montrachet wrote:
Indeed Holm seemed like she had to get in range. All her shots were short or she would kinda bull rush in a 3-4 combination and end up missing all the shevchenko landing a leg kick.
She always does that, its as if she is unable to make a short step-in and throw a combination, she either counters or lunges throwing 1-2s as she walks with every punch (thus having little power in those), when she was going to fight Ronda I wasnt sure Holly wold win because she always does that stupid walking-punching thing but thankfully she didnt, but why in the fuck doesnt she just jab Valentina and kick her with her super long and strong legs? ridiculous, distance management is supposed to be her forte.
Also the fucking oblique quick.. probably the most overrated technique in MMA that Jackson taught to Jones to keep charging fighters at bay and now fighters are trying that shit on awful spots like Holm, instead of throwing full power roundhouse kick to a sitting Valentina, she throws that retarded oblique quick which has less range than a jab and she got countered every single time... god, I hate that kick.
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