UFC FN 85: Hunt vs. Mir

Date: Saturday, March 19th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 23:59 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 1:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 3:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://firstrowus1.eu/




Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

Mark Hunt (11-10-1) vs. Frank Mir (18-10) (Heavyweight)
Neil Magny (17-4) vs. Hector Lombard (34-4-1) (Welterweight)
Jake Matthews (9-1) vs. Johnny Case (22-4) (Lightweight)
Dan Kelly (10-1) vs. Antonio Carlos Junior (5-1) (Middleweight)
James Te-Huna (16-8) vs. Steve Bosse (10-2) (Middleweight)
Bec Rawlings (6-4) vs. Seohee Ham (16-6) (Women's Strawweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Brendan O'Reilly (6-1) vs. Alan Jouban (12-4) (Welterweight)
Dan Hooker (12-6) vs. Mark Eddiva (6-2) (Featherweight)
Richard Walsh (9-3) vs. Viscardi Andrade (18-6) (Welterweight)
Alan Patrick (12-1) vs. Damien Brown (15-8) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Ross Pearson (18-10) vs. Chad Laprise (10-1) (Lightweight)
Leslie Smith (7-6-1) vs. Rin Nakai (16-1-1) (Women's Bantamweight)

Other

- Justin Scoggins was expected to face Ben Nguyen at the event. However, Scoggins pulled out of the fight in the week leading up to the event citing injury. As a result, Nguyen was pulled from the card entirely.
- Abel Trujillo was expected to face Ross Pearson at the event. However, Trujillo was removed from the card on March 12 due to alleged visa issues which restricted his entry to Australia. As a result, Pearson will now face Chad Laprise. Subsequently, Laprise's initial opponent Alan Patrick will remain on the card and will face late replacement and local fighter, Damien Brown.

First impression of the match-ups:

• Mir > Hunt
• Magny > Lombard
• Case > Matthews
• Junior > Kelly
• Te-Huna > Bosse
• Rawlings > Ham
• Jouban > O'Reilly
• Hooker > Eddiva
• Andrade > Walsh
• Patrick > Brown
• Pearson > Laprise
• Nakai > Smith

I thought lombard was caught doping and was sidelined? Or was that years ago?

On March 14 2016 02:03 Raidern wrote: I thought lombard was caught doping and was sidelined? Or was that years ago?

Wikipedia: "On 23 March 2015 it was announced that Lombard had been suspended for one year (retroactive to January 3, 2015) and fined his original $53,000 win bonus, plus one-third of the rest of his purse, which included $53,000 in show money and had his win over Josh Burkman overturned to a no contest by the NSAC for failing his UFC 182 drug test. In addition to his suspension, fine and overturning of the win, Lombard also must pass a drug test prior to getting relicensed by the NSAC.

In his first fight after the PED suspension was lifted, Lombard is expected to face Neil Magny on March 20, 2016 at UFC Fight Night 85."

30 bucks on Hunt + Lombard to win 105. Thats my only bet on this card.

This is a pretty bad matchup for Hunt, no?

I always enjoy watching his fights. The one vs Big Foot was probably the greatest fight I've ever seen.

Mir will get dropped if he stands and bang with hunt.

I think Mir is tremendously underrated here. To the point that I think he can actually get hurt and recover if he does choose to stand.

On March 14 2016 18:14 alejandicto wrote: 30 bucks on Hunt + Lombard to win 105. Thats my only bet on this card.

If I were to bet both guys, I'd take Lombard ML +120, and Hunt ML -165 and Hunt/Mir o1.5 -105.

On March 14 2016 19:54 TimDawg wrote: This is a pretty bad matchup for Hunt, no? I always enjoy watching his fights. The one vs Big Foot was probably the greatest fight I've ever seen.

I wouldn't say it's a "bad" match-up, but it might end up looking like a bad match-up if the fight goes down in the few ways I see it going. Either Hunt wins in the first 10 mins, or Mir can win anytime within the 25-minute fight or by decision. It's not impossible for Hunt to win a decision, but I just don't see it happening in this fight.

Mir has improved cardio and striking, and he's the taller, longer, stronger fighter with better BJJ and he'll have the luxury of facing a short fighter who will allow him to fight on the outside.

On March 14 2016 20:56 jvilla777 wrote: Mir will get dropped if he stands and bang with hunt.

Even though Hunt isn't afraid to stand and bang, he uses his technical striking and power to win fights these days. After the first 10 mins, he'll begin to slow down and be willing to trade more and get into wild exchanges.

On March 14 2016 21:24 Minsk wrote: I think Mir is tremendously underrated here. To the point that I think he can actually get hurt and recover if he does choose to stand.

I think Mir is underrated here, too.

It should be a fun fight either way.

Frank Mir has a mediocre chin and no wrestling. Mark Hunt is gonna land and Mir is going down.

I guess theres a chance Mir avoids engaging and leg kicks Hunt and avoids him for like 10 minutes and Hunt slows down and Mir can take over. But Hunt hits like a tank and isn't afraid to go for it like Arlovski/Reem today. He's gonna hunt Mir down and land a big punch.

Lombard vs Magney is a tough call. Guys usually come back from getting busted looking much worse than they did before. Usually don't want to risk another bust and their careers being over so they come off it and lose a significant ability in their performance. And that's on top of Lombard looking very unimpressive against Burkman while on steroids. Think I like Magny in this fight but tough to call.

More support for Mir here than I would've thought. I don't really see that the matchup is so terrible for Hunt. Hunt has gradually improved his takedown defense and it's not like Mir can just rush in to clinch and just wrestle him down...partially because Mir's not actually good at that and also because running straight into a striker like Hunt who knows that's what you're doing is a pretty bad idea imo. Hunt can and does use uppercuts and Mir's going to get one straight on the face if he just ducks his head into a bullrush. Also don't buy Mir's improved standup. I mean yeah it has. But not to the point that he can just sit there and stand with Hunt all day long. He starched two fighters, Todd Duffee and Bigfoot, who are basically walking KO's these days. With that said, I'm never on any side on a Hunt fight until he gets on the scale. Def will be fairly large on him if he looks like he had a great camp/cut.

Interested to see what Lombard looks like. Going to be on Magny. He's a smart, tough dude and I think all he'll have to do to win and take over the fight vs a non-roided Lombard is to fight smart the first 2 to 3 minutes.

Hooker seems like an easy one elsewhere just because Eddiva sucks at MMA

Te Huna also looks enticing because Bosse is another dude that is a walking KO but man...Te Huna sucks too...and it'd be kinda cool to see a former NHL enforcer actually win some UFC fights

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/15/...k-mir-vs-todd-duffee-full-fight-video

I give like 0 credit to Mir for this 'example of Mir is not just a BJJ guy.' It's like Duffee fights like the name of the game is to leave maximum exposure to his face/chin at all times

Don't think this is a bad match up for Hunt at all. Mir has huge edge on the ground, but very limited skills to take the fight there. Mir stand up has always been bad with a suspect chin. Hunt should take this by KO, imo.

Yeah it isnt a bad matchup for Hunt, as Stim said he is a terrible wrestler to me he is like a Werdum but slightly worse in all aspects, chin, bjj, striking and cardio.

Stim makes it sound like Mir wearing down Hunt isnt likely and I disagree, Mir is very hittable and can easily get KOd but if he manages to get past half the 2nd I think its very likely he takes down Hunt and submits him

On March 16 2016 22:05 Baalim wrote: Yeah it isnt a bad matchup for Hunt, as Stim said he is a terrible wrestler to me he is like a Werdum but slightly worse in all aspects, chin, bjj, striking and cardio. Stim makes it sound like Mir wearing down Hunt isnt likely and I disagree, Mir is very hittable and can easily get KOd but if he manages to get past half the 2nd I think its very likely he takes down Hunt and submits him

I mean it's possible, but I don't think it happens more than like 20%. When have you ever seen Mir be evasive? He's usually super lackadaisical and get's KO'd for it if people are willing to go after him.

Should note I didn't watch much of the Arlovski fight. I knew once Arlovski started shadow boxing the air it was gonna be a snoozer.

As for my comments on Lombard, recent pics show he looks as ridiculous as ever. So he's probably still on the sauce.

^ Damien Brown cut a lot of weight for this fight on short notice. He didn't say how much. No idea how his usual cardio looks. He said he's good in every area of MMA, but not great in any single area.



^ Ross Pearson wants to entertain the fans in this fight since his last opponent fought in a way that didn't allow him to actually fight and entertain people. He said he wants to fight smarter, but when he gets hit, he goes into autopilot and gets reckless. Pearson did his camp in Australia for this fight, that way his team could focus solely on him.



^ Leslie Smith had knee surgery (meniscus) back in April 2015. She's been asking for fights for awhile, but was never given anything. The time adjustment in Australia hasn't messed with her at all.



^ Bec Rawlings pulled out of her fight against Joanne Calderwood on July 11, 2015, due to cracking the neck of her femur. After she had surgery on her leg, she was on crutches for 4-5 months. She said her doctor told her she injured herself due to being malnourished and over-training. She said fighting on March 20, 2016, has given her the right amount of time to heal up and get the strength back in her leg, etc.

Lombard still looks juiced to the gills, this is supposed to be a pic from a week ago. Maybe worth stabbing him now against Magny with the recent line movement .

I'm kind of liking Hunt at -160 as well.

Lines moving towards lombard, probably because his pics. Kind of expect them to move towards him more after the weigh ins, probably peaking somewhere tomorrow night.

I think Magny at +175 via decision, or probably better by tomorrow, should be a good bet.

Magnys reach is huge and has learned to use it decently well, and Lombard just plods forward and has a super low volume of striking so he should be an easy target. As long as he avoids getting KO'd/rocked bad during Lombards occasional burst, and doesn't get taken down more than once, it should be an easy decision for him. He hasn't been KO'd before in professional MMA so his chins pretty good.

Mark Hunt (264) vs. Frank Mir (260)
Hector Lombard (170) vs. Neil Magny (170)
Johnny Case (155) vs. Jake Matthews (155)
Antonio Carlos Junior (186) vs. Daniel Kelly (186)
Steve Bosse (204) vs. James Te Huna (205)
Seo Hee Ham (115) vs. Bec Rawlings (116)
Alan Jouban (171) vs. Brendan O’Reilly (168)
Mark Eddiva (145) vs. Dan Hooker (146)
Rin Nakai (135) vs. Leslie Smith (134)
Viscardi Andrade (171) vs. Richard Walsh (170)
Chad Laprise (156) vs. Ross Pearson (155)
Damien Brown (155) vs. Alan Patrick (156)

any link first row say its not live yet ?

On March 19 2016 07:00 FullBRing wrote: any link first row say its not live yet ?

The prelims don't start until 15.5 hours from now.

Saturday in USA at 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Sunday in Australia

k im a monkey thought was aussie time cheers

Yea uhh...surprised Lombard still looks like fucking superman but I mean...he looked like that vs Burkman and couldn't do all that much with him. Burkman's sneakily cagey and has tons of experience but I'd like to think Magny is getting to that...probably peaking very soon...and has some physical tools that Burkman didn't have. Go Magny.

I could very well be really biased though and in reality would never actually be betting on juice boy Hector.

On March 19 2016 22:15 iakim322 wrote: I could very well be really biased though.

You are.

Anyone got a stream for the early prelims? i cant seem to find one, thanks

On March 19 2016 22:39 ERASA wrote: Anyone got a stream for the early prelims? i cant seem to find one, thanks

None of the streams will be working yet, since it doesn't start for another 21 minutes.

I'll be watching the first 2 fights on Fight Pass, and the other 10 fights are on television in USA.

Ah thanks

On March 19 2016 22:45 ERASA wrote: Ah thanks

You're right though. It usually starts around this time, but since 1 fight got cancelled, they moved it to 4pm instead of 3:30pm PST.

On March 19 2016 22:27 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2016 22:15 iakim322 wrote: I could very well be really biased though. You are.

Yea but it's really great when it works out

Anyone have a strong lean/read on Matthews/Case?

On March 19 2016 22:52 iakim322 wrote: Anyone have a strong lean/read on Matthews/Case?

Case is better in most areas of MMA than Matthews. Matthews is the 2nd most popular local fighter on this card, right behind Mark Hunt.

I expect Matthews to slow down once he can't implement his wrestling in Round 1. If he can't implement his wrestling, Case's superior striking will come into play, and depending on how much Matthews slows down, Case might get a late finish in Round 3.

Good enough for me. Was leaning Case already...more from wanting to fade Matthews as he moves up than being confident/knowing so much about Case.

Nice fight, i have it 2-1 Pearson

Nice fight between Pearson and Laprise. I have it for Ross Pearson.

Rounds 1 and 3 were close, but I gave Round 2 to Pearson.

Did one of you guys drop a lot of loot on Magney? Can't believe the line shifted towards him even after the weigh ins showing Lombard still looking juiced to the gills

I'm pretty good on Magny. Was small on Pearson. On Hunt and Hooker pretty good

Oh and small on Case

Anyone got a stream? Firstrow is always super aids for me.

Only have a firstrow stream myself..

link anyways plz . Maybe it'll work somehow.

Leslie Smith vs. Rin Nakai was cringeworthy.

On March 20 2016 01:01 Stim_Abuser wrote: link anyways plz . Maybe it'll work somehow.

http://firstrowus1.eu/
http://www.realstreamunited.com/
http://zunox.hk/
http://live.drakulastream.eu/

You should have these 4 websites bookmarked.

Ship it Hooker.

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/421000/6/...c-fight-night-85:-preliminairies.html

4/4 in bets so far.. go me

Jouban with the never-in-doubt win.

Now we have to wait 27 minutes until the next fight.

fixalen.tv is the one i always use

Round 1 = dunno (Ham landed more strikes, but Bec landed all of the hard punches. I think the strikes landed was 40-30 in Ham's favor.)
Round 2 = Rawlings
Round 3 = Rawlings (I give Round 3 to Bec. She kept Ham against the cage and didn't let her punch her. Ham could've won it if she wasn't gassed.)

Rawlings 2-1, at least.

GG Te Huna. Time to retire.

Daniel Kelly was +700 before Round 3 started.

On March 20 2016 03:22 PuertoRican wrote: Daniel Kelly was +700 before Round 3 started.

good, Junior a BJJ specialist had a body triangle for an entire round and did absolutely nothing with it.

How fixed is that Shit !!! Wtf how the referee is not stoping this

lol magny pounding that guy out for so long no stoppage

Ship it Magny.

dumb ass ref. nice fucking fight magny ur a boss glad i dropped 450 on ur ass. that 1st had me a lil worried

that ref is dangerous

bigger on hunt too so lets make this a good night

Magny with the beat down after getting owned in Round 1.

yea dude te huna busted an 8 man parlay i woulda had live going into this hunt fight

ugh fuck drug testing

Herb dean or nothing

One of the worst non stoppage ive ever seen

Can't believe Magney is the first person to ever finish Lombard and I lose my bet (

Want to hear something wild?

John Morgan (MMA Junkie media member) mentioned that Case was up over Mathews 20-18 on two scorecards.

Pretty crazy considering the way the fight went. I was backing Case, but I had Matthews clearly winning the fight.

Boom goes the dynamite

Annnd ship it Hunt

Mir such a bum and I love hunt one of my top 3 (#1) fighters ever. -125 too haha what a joke. Mma betting so broken. See yall at the strip club

Booom !

Nice win for Mark Hunt.

Perfect punch behind the ear.

On March 20 2016 04:50 PuertoRican wrote: Want to hear something wild? John Morgan (MMA Junkie media member) mentioned that Case was up over Mathews 20-18 on two scorecards. Pretty crazy considering the way the fight went. I was backing Case, but I had Matthews clearly winning the fight.

Same here. Though I was maybe expecting a judge to give a 1-1 into the third. But then Matthews himself said in the post fight interview that 'Yeah I moved to get into that choke because I guess he was maybe up on the scorecards' or something like that. Pretty surprising

The next UFC card is in 3 weeks: Ben Rothwell vs. Junior dos Santos

Cya then~

i'll take rothwell plz

On March 20 2016 20:19 traxamillion wrote: i'll take rothwell plz

Really? Rothwell is so weird to me. He was losing all 4 of the fights on his streak up until the finish. His striking is terrible technique wise, his TDD sucks, and besides that sneaky choke in his last two fights the last we saw him grapple Hunt was dominating him on the ground.

JDS looked bad vs overeem too.

Its hard to pick, especially a 5 round HW fight. Wanna lean towards JDS tho.

Rothwell is awful and is on a hot streak and nothing more

On March 22 2016 05:35 Baalim wrote: Rothwell is awful and is on a hot streak and nothing more

on the other hand JDS looks worse every fight

Agreed with both you guys, I just think JDS is shittier at this point. Those wars with Cain fucked him up or something

If somebody has said a few years ago, that Ben Rothwell will be a betting favorite against JDS, he would of been laughed out of the room.

Big Ben has cost me dearly in his last few fights, as I always bet against him and will do so again this time. The guy is just big, slow, lumbering mess who can take a fucking bat to the head and keep coming. He is always dangerous due to his size, chokes and toughness, but can't help to think He is the perfect match up for JDS to shine.

On March 23 2016 15:27 traxamillion wrote: Agreed with both you guys, I just think JDS is shittier at this point. Those wars with Cain fucked him up or something

Not really an 'or something.' He definitely lost years off his career...and maybe a year or two off his life from those 2nd and 3rd fights with Cain. He basically fell dead from about eighteen minutes of getting his face beaten in while exhausted in that third fight more so than from the single shot that KO'd him officially.

It's pretty easy to want to bet against Rothwell when he's up against any near top tier fighter since he's so technically unimpressive but that's the line of thinking that's lost me money in 3 of his last 4 fights. And JDS really did look a good bit worse in his last fight vs Reem although definitely credit to Reem for looking good and sticking with his gameplan in that fight. Pass for me

I really feel for JDS. I wonder if his corner shouldn't have just thrown in the towel those fights, ugh.

On March 24 2016 13:51 Nazgul wrote: I really feel for JDS. I wonder if his corner shouldn't have just thrown in the towel those fights, ugh.

They definitely should have, especially in the 3rd fight after they saw how the 2nd fight went. It was probably in the back of their minds though that JDS could possibly knock him out at any time.

I just watched Rothwell vs cain old fight. Ben took a beating in that 1st round no man should be able to take; don't care he got his ass whooped cause JDS aint gonna be chain dipping him to the mat like that. Feeling good about my bet

ben asks his corner at the end of the first round "what do i do to stop the single mike?" so that fight may have looked different with his current Takedown defense which i'm assuming he has improved

In hindsight, they definitely shoulda thrown in the towel in that third fight...possibly as early as midway through the third round. But it would've been really really tough to do it in the actual moment...not just because JDS does/did have 1 hitter quitter power but also i think because they (junior and his camp) probably thought it was going to be juniors last chance to grab his title back. At the time, most thought Cain wouldn't be dethroned any time soon. And you definitely can't clamor for a 4th fight with the same guy after gettin beaten up for two rounds then having the towel thrown in. So yeah it is what is. Just unfortunate that JDS did have to take that extra heavy punishment with him not even able to really think about the 1 miracle shot to land because he was smothered to exhaustion like 4 min 55 secs of each 5 min round. On the bright side, if he shows some signs of physically getting back even 75% of what he had, he could still get a small win streak going which is all you need in the heavies to possibly get a title shot. And from there, if Werdum is still champ, easy storyline in with JDS easily handling a much greener to Mma Werdum. Guessing though that irregardless of if he was a PED user or not, just the head trauma he's received (also in stipes fight) recently crushed his punch resistance. Reem Ko doesn't bother that much because reem can Ko anyone on a give night but yeah I think it's going to show sometime soon. Which will make it pretty difficult on this final run

On March 25 2016 03:03 traxamillion wrote: I just watched Rothwell vs cain old fight. Ben took a beating in that 1st round no man should be able to take; don't care he got his ass whooped cause JDS aint gonna be chain dipping him to the mat like that. Feeling good about my bet ben asks his corner at the end of the first round "what do i do to stop the single mike?" so that fight may have looked different with his current Takedown defense which i'm assuming he has improved

Rothwell is a red blooded American man's man, so damn hard to put away.

If the JDS that fought Reem shows up - looking Testosty deprived (his hairline receded a lifetimes worth in about a year), hesitant, etc - def gotta favor Ben

That said, JDS hits so hard that he may even be able to put Big Ben away with that overhand right. He also does have a nasty snatch single leg, the same style Cain was employing on Ben. I doubt he could get Big Ben down flat though so probably would only matter in confusing Ben and setting up his bombs.

All in all though I gotta agree, it would be foolish to go off anything but the most recent versions, gotta favor Mr. Durable and Weird over shopworn warrior JDS, but if neither happen to ever connect and it goes the distance JDS prolly take a snoozer. I doubt that happens though. JDS will probably want to come out guns blazing after his last AWFUL performance.

On March 25 2016 05:15 iakim322 wrote: In hindsight, they definitely shoulda thrown in the towel in that third fight...possibly as early as midway through the third round. But it would've been really really tough to do it in the actual moment...not just because JDS does/did have 1 hitter quitter power but also i think because they (junior and his camp) probably thought it was going to be juniors last chance to grab his title back. At the time, most thought Cain wouldn't be dethroned any time soon. And you definitely can't clamor for a 4th fight with the same guy after gettin beaten up for two rounds then having the towel thrown in. So yeah it is what is. Just unfortunate that JDS did have to take that extra heavy punishment with him not even able to really think about the 1 miracle shot to land because he was smothered to exhaustion like 4 min 55 secs of each 5 min round. On the bright side, if he shows some signs of physically getting back even 75% of what he had, he could still get a small win streak going which is all you need in the heavies to possibly get a title shot. And from there, if Werdum is still champ, easy storyline in with JDS easily handling a much greener to Mma Werdum. Guessing though that irregardless of if he was a PED user or not, just the head trauma he's received (also in stipes fight) recently crushed his punch resistance. Reem Ko doesn't bother that much because reem can Ko anyone on a give night but yeah I think it's going to show sometime soon. Which will make it pretty difficult on this final run

Yah. Tough call at the time. Especially because he was still OK after the first Cain beatdown in their 2nd fight. He ate some big Hunt shots after that fight and was seemingly no worse for the ware. He's never been the same since Cain took his soul in the third fight though. Stipe, who doesn't hit that hard for a HW, was rocking him consistently.

HW MMA is pretty dirty.