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PanoRaMa   United States. Nov 10 2015 03:05. Posts 1655


  On November 09 2015 09:02 AndrewSong wrote:
However, sense has hit me as my PT4 is running out of trial and I will be uninstalling poker again in coming hours.



Good, no more distractions

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handbanana21   United States. Nov 10 2015 03:23. Posts 3037


  On November 10 2015 01:29 AndrewSong wrote:
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I have two different strategy when it comes to over betting. First is a theoretical approach when I have a range advantage on the river. Betting as much as you can when you have a range advantage is the way to go as you can fit more bluffs into your range. That way you steal more of the opponent's equity from the pot and treat the problem as opponent always folds. Keeping blockers in mind is very important when you are building a bluffing range as many theory oriented players use blockers to build a calling range.

Second approach is an exploitable approach where you have a player that has a history of hero calling with a hand that is out of 1-alpha. Over betting strong hands or betting pot can work well to these players because they don't put importance in pot odds and see the problem as nuts or nothing and call with hands they would've otherwise fold to a standard bet. I still can't get around why 2-1 pot odds is more attractive than 3-1 but a lot of these guys are regs.



pretty funny. before i make a terrible hero call vs overbets, i say "nuts or air" def sounds like typical 200nl thought process.


dogmeat   Czech Republic. Nov 10 2015 06:59. Posts 6374


  On November 10 2015 01:41 AndrewSong wrote:
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8d 8h 9h is a good example and should be bet 1/3 ~ 1/4


this is only true for wide ranges playing each other, its completely false for narrower ranges like ep vs btn etc, from pfr perspective obv

in fact i see no point in making such a meaningless statements like these without providing any context

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AndrewSong    United States. Nov 10 2015 07:40. Posts 2355

whats up with your hostility? obviously i'm not gonna provide any context when you talk in that tone


AndrewSong    United States. Nov 10 2015 08:49. Posts 2355

also, the 889 example was for 3bet pots and would've been obvious if you followed the dialogue.


TimDawg    United States. Nov 10 2015 10:36. Posts 10197

sick pics Song, i love the matte on your car. I have a black bmw as well (not as nice as yours though ) and think i might have to get around to doing that eventually

good to hear you're doing well. best of luck with the coding crushing

online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinballLast edit: 10/11/2015 10:37

Highcard   Canada. Nov 10 2015 11:17. Posts 5428

I'd ask, talk about Big Blind defense ranges and range splitting vs various open raise sizes. How do you determine defense frequency of range vs range (disregarding villain leaks like folding to 3 bets too often).

And follow up would be, how are you determining your IP defense strategy vs 3bets. How do you split your calling of 3bets and 4betting in relation to the 3bet pot odds they lay you. Example, them raising 3bb->9bb vs 3bb->12bb

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Roald   Tuvalu. Nov 10 2015 11:40. Posts 2683

As much as I dislike javascript, it really is a language all developers need to be familiar with. If you want to do anything on the web you will need js to make the pages come alive. It is much better now than a few years ago where you had to have special logic all over the place depending on which browser someone was using. Luckily I haven't had to do too much web dev in the last few years. If you are trying to work in the field I think it's still the vast majority of jobs that will want you to at least be able to do some AJAX (or similar method) like second nature. I am now doing a lot of unity 3d development which lets you use js as a scripting language. Fortunately, C#, which is by far the best language, is way more popular among unity devs so I'm basically in heaven now.

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AndrewSong    United States. Nov 10 2015 12:17. Posts 2355

Thanks Tim. You won't regret the matte and if you don't like it, you can always take it off



  On November 10 2015 10:17 Highcard wrote:
I'd ask, talk about Big Blind defense ranges and range splitting vs various open raise sizes. How do you determine defense frequency of range vs range (disregarding villain leaks like folding to 3 bets too often).

And follow up would be, how are you determining your IP defense strategy vs 3bets. How do you split your calling of 3bets and 4betting in relation to the 3bet pot odds they lay you. Example, them raising 3bb->9bb vs 3bb->12bb



What you're looking for is minimum defense frequency(MDF %). There's a section in mathematics of poker that covers this in depth. I recommend checking out Lefort's video series on run it once as he does excellent job covering this.


Ronald, good to hear. I haven't gotten around AJAX yet. I'm still solving higher order functions in javascript using maps, reduce, filter etc. It's very confusing to say the least. I'm hoping to learn a lot more once I'm comfortable with js.


lebowski   Greece. Nov 10 2015 14:08. Posts 9205


  On November 09 2015 23:38 AndrewSong wrote:
thanks guys!

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At 1/2 or any stakes with large player pool, it's important to play multiple strats for PF depending on your opponent. Below is a pf strat I'm using as a baseline.

vs CO I'm using 12% range. 56s+, QTs+, A9s+, AJo+, 77+
vs BU 22% 55+, 56s+, 75s+, A5s+, ATo+
SB vs BB - I started with a standard 48% steal. Now I'm comfortable stealing 60% as players aren't defending blinds as hard as they should. I would avoid limping strats with high rake.

I wouldn't recommend using the same PF strat and you may want to go little tighter especially vs BU. So far from my experience in 1/2, it seems like the biggest mistake regs are making is sizing bets in 3b pots geometrically on flops that shouldn't be bet this way. My range will not do well postflop if you are betting geometrically.


thanks a lot!
I'll have to figure out how not to spew uncontrollably with this information because I'm not sure I understand how betsizing affects the strat, I'm in the "regs who have shitty 3bet pot sizings" camp

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

JohnnyBologna   United States. Nov 10 2015 15:52. Posts 1401

I've seem to hit a ceiling and been stuck at 2/4 for like the last 5 years

Generally speaking, what do 2/4 regs need to work on the make the jump to like 3/6 and 5/10?

I know you have to be calling down and be putting in the money a lot more than what your comfortable with, but anything else like technical aspects?

Just do whats right 

ClouD87   Italy. Nov 10 2015 15:58. Posts 524


  On November 10 2015 14:52 JohnnyBologna wrote:
I've seem to hit a ceiling and been stuck at 2/4 for like the last 5 years

Generally speaking, what do 2/4 regs need to work on the make the jump to like 3/6 and 5/10?

I know you have to be calling down and be putting in the money a lot more than what your comfortable with, but anything else like technical aspects?


I know you have asked Andrew but a small consideration came to mind when I read this.
If you have been playing 2/4 for 5 years it means you have improved a ton since you first played at that level. Perhaps all you need is speed up your learning process that's already happening so you get ahead of the curve and can play higher levels?


Rinny   United States. Nov 10 2015 17:23. Posts 600

[QUOTE]On November 10 2015 11:17 AndrewSong wrote:
Thanks Tim. You won't regret the matte and if you don't like it, you can always take it off




Ronald, good to hear. I haven't gotten around AJAX yet. I'm still solving higher order functions in javascript using maps, reduce, filter etc. It's very confusing to say the least. I'm hoping to learn a lot more once I'm comfortable with js.

You are ahead of 80% of web devs if you are doing functional stuff lol. I wouldn't be too worried about figuring out ajax calls ha-ha.


ToT)MidiaN(    United Kingdom. Nov 10 2015 17:23. Posts 5070

Do love the matte black wrap. I have an E92 M3 and have considered getting a matte black wrap in the past. I saw one in South Korea like 4 or 5 year ago and it was utterly stunning. Congrats on the results

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Roald   Tuvalu. Nov 10 2015 20:35. Posts 2683


 
Ronald, good to hear. I haven't gotten around AJAX yet. I'm still solving higher order functions in javascript using maps, reduce, filter etc. It's very confusing to say the least. I'm hoping to learn a lot more once I'm comfortable with js.



Those are some of the more complicated things in computer science. Respect for suffering through them rather than just learning the easy stuff which is usually enough to make money.

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AndrewSong    United States. Nov 10 2015 20:45. Posts 2355


  On November 10 2015 14:58 ClouD87 wrote:
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I know you have asked Andrew but a small consideration came to mind when I read this.
If you have been playing 2/4 for 5 years it means you have improved a ton since you first played at that level. Perhaps all you need is speed up your learning process that's already happening so you get ahead of the curve and can play higher levels?


Gotta agree with this. Skill difference in 2/4 to 5/10 is similar to that of 1/2 and 2/4. Regs are slightly more better in fundamentals, bet sizing, game theory etc.

If you have been winning in 2/4 for last 5 years, you are already a good player yourself and probably more than ready. There's no downside to moving up as there's games available to rebuild if your shot goes bad. For my self, I've improved the most when there's a challenge and there's no bigger challenge in poker than moving up in stakes.


auffenpuffer   Finland. Nov 10 2015 20:49. Posts 1429

last summer i had to do a trivial front-end with js and boy did that suck. so good luck with it, I've heard some people like developing JS so I guess it's possible to learn to like it.


redrain0125   Canada. Nov 11 2015 05:25. Posts 5455

Javascript is a weird language with many quirks and gotchas but you'll get to like it. It's a good time to start out as a web developer and also bad time, because while there are so many resources for self-learning, it seems like everyone and their mom and dad is a web dev. I honestly think the field is oversaturated ever since these social networks and mobile apps emerged. But, if you combine basic web development with something else like encryption technologies, data analysis, algorithms, etc to make a better skillset, I think you can stand out from most developers.

oh and nice car. I'm jelly


devon06atX   Canada. Nov 11 2015 07:26. Posts 5458

good shit

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Pb   Greece. Nov 11 2015 16:29. Posts 98


  On November 09 2015 23:38 AndrewSong wrote:

I wouldn't recommend using the same PF strat and you may want to go little tighter especially vs BU. So far from my experience in 1/2, it seems like the biggest mistake regs are making is sizing bets in 3b pots geometrically on flops that shouldn't be bet this way. My range will not do well postflop if you are betting geometrically.

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Any possible tips on where to find more information about this?


 
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