Strike Against Changing of PokerStars VIP-program.

The official site of strike against changing of PokerStars VIP-program. http://www.theykillpoker.com/

Many of you must have already heard that starting from 2016 PokerStars introduce the new conditions of the VIP-program, stating that it allegedly will enhance the poker ecology and let amateur players benefit from bonus programs and the game itself.

Actually, it is not quite accurate. Or, rather, not accurate at all.

In reality, these changes in the system will lead to increased rake for regular players. They get less rakeback, consequently, the rake indirectly increases.

In exchange for that, PokerStars will increase the payouts for Chromestars by 10%, which is equivalent to 30 cents a month, funny, ain't it?

How exactly the poker ecology will be enhanced

We tried, we really tried to find the bright sides for recreational players... But failed.
We failed to understand how the money, taken from the regulars, could possibly help the recreational players feel more comfortable at the tables.
We are more likely to get a reverse effect: some of the regulars would go down the stakes, some of them, on the contrary, would put more focus on the quality of their game, and amateur players would start losing money even faster than before.

Changes that we see in PokerStars (games, promotions, rules, rake) since the change of ownership — it's a smooth transformation of poker from an intellectual kind of sports with gambling element into a funny roulette.

And if we, players, don't take any measures and just become bystanders, in a couple of years we'll see on our monitors some slot-machines that no one can ever beat, instead of a sports game and challenge of minds and stamina.

And it doesn't matter now, who's amateur and who's professional — our favorite game turns into a bingo lottery right before our very eyes.
What measures we can offer:
We believe that complete freezing of games at PokerStars and FTP is the only effective way of struggle in the given circumstances.

Why do we think we can win?
Precisely a year ago PokerStars have announced a rake increase, we conducted a strike, and some time after it the vast part of changes was canceled.

Expert opinion:

Quote (feruell (jama-dharma) @ 2.11.2015) Actually, the reality is that the decisions at PokerStars are made by incompetent people, and that they are ready to back-pedal when facing wide protests. Just like it happened with this "rake increase". That's why I think that the chances are quite high that they will cancel some part of their decisions for 2016. So it's more reasonable for most players to wait till some action group comes up with a good plan and just join it. I, too, will back your protest within reason.

The instructions for the protesters:

1. Starting from January, 1, withdraw your funds and stop playing at PokerStars and FTP. Go on protesting until the company revises its policy relating the VIP-program.

2. Send a letter to [email]support@pokerstars.com[/email] saying that you no longer will play at PokerStars.
Point out the reasons for your leave and your attitude towards the changes in the VIP-program.
It is not recommended to send carbon copy letters.

3. Use our avatars in all of your accounts and share this link with all of your friends and acquaintances who play poker.

Post this avatar + text in SNs:
They Kill Poker #TKP We are against changing of @pokerstars VIP-program theykillpoker.com
??? ??????? ????? #TKP ?? ?????? ????????? VIP-????????? @PokerStarsRU theykillpoker.com

4. Watch for the topic updates.

If you're in, let us know by posting your PokerStars nickname in this topic.

The list of protesters:

I sent email... iG.ErlinGho

Hmmm
I'd love to
But Czech Legislation seems to be going forward with a way of 30% Taxation of operators, and mandatory registration + check of IDs to prevent problem gambling.
And no tax on winnings on legal operators, but shady/potentially enforceable rules and tax/bans for players with illegal ones. And as Stars puts large resources and makes sure they comply with the RU regulations asap it seems like the only safe bet in my country in the medium run.


They've created essentially a monopoly on safe and reliable legal poker with fast withdrawals, and I guess we have to pay for that now - I can't imagine not having at least some part of my roll at stars.

I NEED to speak with the leaders of this movement

http://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?s...6&gopid=4123245&#entry4123245

please get ahold of me stew (dot) pendousman4444 (at) gmail (dot) com

Already designed: https://thewealthofchips.wordpress.co...11/06/stike-committe-a-players-union/

Its transferable utility that changes the game from non coop to coop where all players can gain, ie Naj coin: http://www.scribd.com/doc/247233585/Naj-Coin-the-Universal-Players-Coin

Btw I'm getting the impression that there is NO leader to this movement and its an undercover OP by Amaya Stars to further get recs to leave ;p

I hope you make it, I really don't want all of the other sites getting flooded by russian regs :D

Suck on that
I bet your share holders will be very happy now

On November 10 2015 19:40 Spitfiree wrote: Suck on that I bet your share holders will be very happy now

Lee Jones come back

this needs to posted as main topic in twoplustwo NVG.

On November 10 2015 22:03 AndrewSong wrote: this needs to posted as main topic in twoplustwo NVG.

I guess you mean the strike rather than the drop in stock? I like the strike, I think it is warranted, but of course it is quite silly to strike against a policy that seeks to dissuade regs from "regging". It's also difficult to get players to participate since we are so bad at game theory we can't get past the meta levels of sitting out while other players are sitting out. Always some idiot wants to point out that if everyone is sitting out they will benefit from playing.

So I think there is something important to point out, that i have been doing so all along whilst predicting this obvious path amayastars was taking, and the obvious response the players would have...it is the introduction of a transferable utility that changes the nature of the game so that ALL players on average gain. Unfortunately, collectively, we aren't smart enough to understand what this means or the importance of it.

Then there is the realization, in regards to the evolution of ipoker and amaystars and in specific regards to technological advance, that Amayastars CANNOT adapt or scale with this new tech. AmayaStars is deceiving and lying to the players and the players are swallowing it perfectly. Their business model has stalled, it has none of the future it projects. Their entire report ignores emerging fin tech and will be the exact reason for its downfall. Poker is fine, it is already adapting and players are just now going to be fleeing for sites with lower effective rake by the swarms. Amaya can't evolve to support the coming crypto revolution and regardless of ignorance they are already realizing the social and political effect. They can't gain traction, and now we watch the ending of the debt based chips era.

This was all predicted, not from insanity or dreams or tarot cards, but simply through science and economics, quite easily and obviously since I seem to be the only one that is well read on the subject.

I know what is going on, I know how this will play out, Ideal Poker...the levation of an effective rake standard, brought about by the collective community that has no other direction but to advance and learn the power of cooperative game theory.

Political Evolution There perhaps will always be “rake", like also “death and taxes". But it is sometimes remarkable how poker strategies can evolve. And in relation to that I think that it is possible that “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ " are like a political faction that will become less influential as a result of poker revolution. The “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ” view of things did not come into existence until after the time when what we can call “Black Friday" had become established in the US. And by this label we wish to differentiate between any theoretical or ideal concept of justice and the actual form of governing regime structure that came to exercise state power on the poker community. (All over the world varieties of sites make claims to have systems very properly or even ideally devoted to the interests of the professional or recreational players of those sites and always an externally located critic can argue that the site is actually a sort of despotism.) PSFTCIAFBIDOJ implicitly always have the argument that some good managers can do things of beneficial value, operating with the skins, and that it is not needed or appropriate for the players or the “customers" of the chips supplied by the site to actually understand, while the managers are managing, what exactly they are doing and how it will affect the “ROI" circumstances of these players. I see this as analogous to how the PSFTCIAFBIDOJ were claiming to provide something much better than Ponzi schemes that they could not deny existed in all other sites. But in the end the “dictatorship of the proletariat” seemed to become rather exposed as simply the dictatorship of the regime. So there may be an analogy to this as regards those called “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ” in that while they have claimed to be operating for high and noble objectives of general poker welfare what is clearly true is that they have made it easier for their sites to “print money". So I see the entire privately raked community as in a weak sense comparable to the “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ " because of the support of both parties for a certain “lack of transparency" relating to the functions of poker sites as seen by the players. And for both of them it can be said that they tend to think in terms of sites operating in a benevolent fashion that is, however, beyond the comprehension of the player of the raked sites. And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of poker revolution might lead to the expectation on the part of players in the “great game types" that they should be better situated to be able to understand whatever will be the rake policies which, indeed, are typically of great importance to players who may have alternative options for where to place their “deposits".

what i mean is more players should be aware of this and NVG on 2p2 is the highest traffic outlet for poker pros.

On November 11 2015 03:28 AndrewSong wrote: what i mean is more players should be aware of this and NVG on 2p2 is the highest traffic outlet for poker pros.

Agreed. However, and I don't mean at all to shout "conspiracy", but its quite a natural observation imo to suggest that 2p2 evolved out of this same failing model that Amaya took over and now represents. 2p2 does (and MUST!) allow some discussion on the subject, but any meaningful protest is going to go against the best interests of their advertising revenues. Historically ipoker (ie pokerstars) staff has been hired from the player pool and much of that hiring has been done via the 2p2 community interactions.

Fortunately though I doubt 2p2 counts on Stars for its monies now or going forward, but its a point that can be well observed as an outsider to the community. Some of the mods are poker stars pros and many have been outed or involved in various scandals. I don't mean to spread stuff, I'm thinking of players like Ike in the Noel Hayes etc.

The last players meeting, I was nominated by reputable remembers and when the admins/mods found out they ended the voting process and picked mods and past reps themselves. This stuff has been going on for quite some time and it blatantly goes against the players best interests

But again I'd like to point out, this protest is going nowhere without the introduction of a transferable utility and yet would blow up over night with it. 200 players that are signed up already, posting their public digital currency wallet address on 2p2 would cause the customer service to shift immediately. I myself am of course banned for the suggestion that poker stars has been screwing the players since black friday through the concept of effective rake and that 2p2 has been a main supporting factor in the process.

The players won't be able to rally until 2p2 political climate changes with them.

The poker industry really can be defined and understood in relation to its payment processor regulations and restrictions. This is how historically Stars has had its effective monopoly on the industry. We can think of "Ideal Poker" as poker in which ALL sites AND all players have comfortably adopted bitcoin or digital currencies because they are costless and instant (relatively). In such an environment customer liquidity would be at an all time high and the competition and migration of players to sites with a lower effective rake would essentially level out and then lower overall effective rake. In a sense it is akin to what would be called de-centralizing the industry, or not one site only would hold the power to make status quo policies.

But if we understand economics and the behaviour of peoples well, there IS a barrier to crossing over to "crypto". This article explains this barrier very well: Estimating and minimizing consumer worry http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2015/10/minimizing-consumer-worry.html#links (as well as the mental transaction cost problem paper).

What I propose is a 3 step process. Click on the counterparty link, generate/save your password, post your public address.

These three steps are the difficultly from my view, but more importantly from Amaya view it is the three steps away from their demise that they ultimately fear each player might take. This is one reason why Naj Coin is so important yet also why the actual "coin" is completely irrelevant.

This "plan" or process is not intended, at least at first, for the average joe or the idiot 2p2 member that cannot understand basic maths, game theory, economics. This plan is made for posters like Andrew that are educated enough to understand the recent stars changes are damaging to the poker economy. It is made for the influential members of the communities to give them an easy plan that they can share amongst the more recreational forum members.

There are approx 200+ players signed up for a strike that cannot possible produce anything but favorable results for Amaya. If these players would get a wallet and post their public address, they will have crossed the barrier that amaya cannot pass. With 10 or 20 players posting their address we might likely have the political power to make the front page of nvg. As a couple hundred players sign up there will be stars/amaya reps everywhere trying to talk 2p2 and the players out of their revolution.

That is REAL change. And it can happen over night.

1) Website: https://wallet.counterwallet.io/#
2) "create new wallet" (save password!)
3) copy/paste post "public address" (my address) on forum

4) receive Naj Coin

THIS is what rallies a non-cooperative group and THIS is what Amaya fears because their business model cannot follow.

Here is an example, see this poster http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=48626871&postcount=1275:

I guess it's not surprising that a community of under 1,000 people can make people so upset about PokerStar's rake back changes, considering they generate up to 8% of the profits by themselves. But is it really worth being upset about? Maybe you think you should already be a PokerStar's millionaire...I can't fault you for that. If you would have generated more than $70,000 worth of rake, I can definitely see the reason for being upset that in the next year you are only going to get $31,500 instead of $49,000. But can we actually take a second to consider these numbers? Is the top 2% of PokerStars actually going to try to lobby to boycott PokerStars? Can anyone that has the chance of making a living from poker actually take these numbers seriously? I'd just like to put forward that as a U.S. citizen that doesn't have the RIGHT or FREEDOM to even have the opportunity to grind for these numbers, that loves poker probably more than the average SNE machine that found the way to profit was to turn it into heartless numbers... that trying to boycott a Company that gave you the OPPORTUNITY and gave you the FREEDOM to do this has honestly been generous with you fellas up til now. Trying to raise the arms to "strike against AMAYAAAAA!!!!" Is probably the silliest thing I can think of. If you gave me the slightest scent of being able to take your place without abandoning my family, home, and country, i'd cut you open faster than Luke cut open that tauntaun in the Empire Strikes Back. They let you play your "I can only profit if there's a rake back" game for how long? And now that they are saying let's reduce it by 33% you're immediate response is that POKERSTARS!!!!!!! YOU RUINED POKER!!!!! Well okay SNE players and future wanna-be SNE players, you can't grind $1000+ buyin tables for the rake back anymore. You can't come to an agreement that "they already got the max rake from this hand, let's not put anymore money in", you guys can't grind lower stakes players into your rake for rake back goals anymore. Fair enough, maybe you guys could find a new way? Maybe you could become profitable without having to rely on 70% rake back? I mean, I personally know a large number of players in the U.S. that don't even have the option of a "rake back"...everything they play for goes directly to a Casino, and we don't even get the magnanimity of having a free roll tournament every sunday so 1 person atleast can get the rewards... Just saying, you entitled Canadians, European, and rest of the poker market, maybe tone down the "OMFG POKERSTARS LESS RAKEBACK LETS STRIKEEEEEE" because I guarantee that the rest of the world that hasn't noticed Poker Online to this point will sure take notice when they realize exactly how much money you are mad that pokerstars won't give back to you. OMG, YOU WON'T GIVE ME MY $11k DIFFERENCE IN RAKE BACK? "Holy ****, this guy is mad because $11k is 33% less than what he normally makes???? Why are we not putting all of our time into this, Steve? I mean, $11k IS LITERALLY MORE THAN WHAT WE MAKE FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, STEVE."

That poster is a first class moron. No chance they did well in school, no chance they understand math well. No chance they are strong in logic and reason. This person has a low iq.

How do you get people with low intelligenne to cooperate? How do you get someone with such an irrational ignorant view to participate? This is the lesson. Money. This problem is that the 2% elite intelligent players/people in the community understand what is going on and the importance of a game in which the best players are incentived to win. Only the intelligent peoples in our society understand that you need to incentive success. Socialism destroys economies.

There is only one way to motivate these idiots. We have done it many times over the history of man, and I even cite Canada's example in which we used actual playing cards to print ourselves out of war time difficulties. The plan is solid, logical, and reasonable. There are just too many idiots trolling the community with idiot views like the quite above.

We NEED a few rational players to adopt Naj Coin and begin to distribute it and explain to the players the significance. NO other plan can possibly harness the ignorant players but their own greed.

On November 11 2015 05:53 diggerflopboat wrote: 1) Website: https://wallet.counterwallet.io/# 2) "create new wallet" (save password!) 3) copy/paste post "public address" (my address) on forum 4) receive Naj Coin THIS is what rallies a non-cooperative group and THIS is what Amaya fears because their business model cannot follow.

1) Website: https://wallet.counterwallet.io/#
2) "create new wallet" (save password!)
3) copy/paste post "public address" (my address) on forum
4) receive Naj Coin
5) repeat
infinite naj coin!

On November 11 2015 09:07 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On November 11 2015 05:53 diggerflopboat wrote: 1) Website: https://wallet.counterwallet.io/# 2) "create new wallet" (save password!) 3) copy/paste post "public address" (my address) on forum 4) receive Naj Coin THIS is what rallies a non-cooperative group and THIS is what Amaya fears because their business model cannot follow. 1) Website: https://wallet.counterwallet.io/# 2) "create new wallet" (save password!) 3) copy/paste post "public address" (my address) on forum 4) receive Naj Coin 5) repeat infinite naj coin!

you are one of the idiots. Uneducated in life, and ignorant. Society fails because of you. What I mean to say, is logic doesn't come easy to you, only posting internet pictures does, but anyone can do that. You are all guilty of this, for letting these idiots run our communities and poker game with their ignorance.

On November 11 2015 09:07 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On November 11 2015 05:53 diggerflopboat wrote: 1) Website: https://wallet.counterwallet.io/# 2) "create new wallet" (save password!) 3) copy/paste post "public address" (my address) on forum 4) receive Naj Coin THIS is what rallies a non-cooperative group and THIS is what Amaya fears because their business model cannot follow. 1) Website: https://wallet.counterwallet.io/# 2) "create new wallet" (save password!) 3) copy/paste post "public address" (my address) on forum 4) receive Naj Coin 5) repeat infinite naj coin!

dear child. Do you have anything to contribute to this discussion? To this community? To poker?

Do you have anything constructive to add? Any proof of actual work? Are you trying to better our situation? Do you have anything to add?

You are shit. You have nothing, you are nothing. This is why you post nothing but ridicule. I look forward to the mods here banning me, and letting a pos like you continue to post. This community can become you. I don't want anything to do with pos like you. You are an infant.

as a leader of ongoing poker revolution and moral authority you should really watch your language, you dont want to let ppl down!

dogmeat s just skeptical till proven otherwise
there s no need to flame an innocent troll post

Problem with your ideas are that they are high resource demanding, but work only theoretically, don't expect ppl to jump on your wagon. There s a reason theories need practical proof, otherwise physics for example would be much more developed

On November 11 2015 12:34 dogmeat wrote: as a leader of ongoing poker revolution and moral authority you should really watch your language, you dont want to let ppl down!

You are a fucking moron. A total fucking moron. Do something with your life. Don't be a waste of skin. Same idiot that walks around telling people bitcoin is a scam. Leader of a revolution? Dude. YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Perfect example of the type of person that won't accomplish shit fuck all in his life, and all you can do is try to disrupt others attempts. Really the sad part here is the mods and community members that aren't stupid like you, the peoples here that are smart enough to know better but don't speak up vs pieces of shit scumbags like yourself.

Fuck the mods here, and fuck EVERY single community member for letting ignorant low life peoples like you control the destiny of our game.

YOU SIR, ARE A NOBODY NOTHING PIECE OF SHIT. Trying to stomp on others because you realize they are putting effort into something. I'm not contributing to this community any-more, its a disgrace if you are here.

On November 11 2015 15:16 Spitfiree wrote: dogmeat s just skeptical till proven otherwise there s no need to flame an innocent troll post Problem with your ideas are that they are high resource demanding, but work only theoretically, don't expect ppl to jump on your wagon. There s a reason theories need practical proof, otherwise physics for example would be much more developed

Dogmeat is the EXACT reason why our game has been destroyed, because forums are filled with these idiots and peoples like you that stick up with there ignorance. Dogmeat is a low life. All they can do to justify there lack of ability is to channel their negative naysayer attitude on other peoples. They will never accomplish anything because they are too scared to try. They never outgrew their childish mentality.

The same idiot that would say bitcoin could never be a real money. The same moron that will NEVER under what money ACTUALLY is. The same idiot that think since its cloudy today it must be cloudy tomorrow, the same piece of shit that will tell you that gold will always be a safe hedge. I'm not trying to be mean and nasty, I am actually pointing out that dogmeat has a low IQ.Thats why the only contribution they can make is a gif. Not capable of doing something constructive in their life.

the autism is real strong with this one

On November 11 2015 15:16 Spitfiree wrote: Problem with your ideas are that they are high resource demanding, but work only theoretically, don't expect ppl to jump on your wagon. There s a reason theories need practical proof, otherwise physics for example would be much more developed

There is no problem. I just enjoy highlighting the peoples that do no have the mental capability of having a rational discussion that involves critical thinking (and reading!). None of what I have wrote is purely theoretical, go check out the real experiment bitcoin. Can't really argue anymore can you? Exchanges merging with every major exchange in the world, every government having meetings about how to approach it, every economics news media discussing it, crypto currency classes and degrees taught in every school. Ignorance does not make it not true.

Think about this, if you have the capacity. We need distribution, and who do we want to distribute our new network to? Dogmeat? Nope. They are too stupid. Naj coin, for example, has already been handed out to a small hand full of players. What type of peoples are they? What is the difference between Dogmeat and these peoples that take the time to read discuss, learn and try?

Do you understand now? It's a very simple and perfect process to weed out the less intelligent peoples. There is nothing broken about it. There are peoples in this world that don't have the capacity to understand concepts that require two steps of thinking. We don't want them involved.

On November 11 2015 15:36 uiCk wrote: the autism is real strong with this one

Fuck the mods here for allowing this. Autism? No. You are a coward, and you post this because you don't have the guts to say it to my face. You are spineless, and so are the mods here for allowing this attack.

Isn't it funny, how with one sentence I can tell your cognitive ability, logic, and reason skills are incredibly lacking? ONE sentence I can tell you are a moron. You want some help? I well help explain math to you so that its not so hard for you in school.

On November 11 2015 15:36 uiCk wrote: the autism is real strong with this one

Lord knows you would never post this if it was only you. The only reason you stand up to say something is because you believe others will support you-COWARD! There is no content to your post, it is purely meant as disruptive and negative. Any idiot can do that. Any idiot can act like this. You aren't capable. Tell us what money is? Tell us why bitcoin is a multi billion dollar asset. Tell us about gold and why it is valuable.

You don't have a clue, and it takes one sentence from you to tell how ignorant and lacking your intelligence is.

You keep calling me a poop poop head sir, keep doing it. Its all you will ever do

The History of Money and Playing Cards in “Canada”: https://thewealthofchips.wordpress.co...of-money-and-playing-cards-in-canada/

MANY times over the history of man we have used the introduction of a currency to solve social crisis' that arise EXACTLY in the form the players face today. In Canada's earlier history we used playing cards as the introduction of transferable utility to create the liquidity needed to jump start the economy. It is EXACTLY what is needed. There is NO other solution to this problem. And so I find it quite useful to have sorted out all of the ignorant players from the communities and masses.

Ignorant will laugh; Wise will understand.

I've done my homework. What you call autism is simply science, study, and critical thinking. READ.

It's not autism. Hes just a child.

Im not questioning crypto currency as im not educated enough on the topic and don't give fucks about it at this point. I was referring to the ideal money -poker idea. I'm not judging your idea as good or bad as im not capable of that either as there are many things I have to inform myself about before being able to comment in greater depth. However from what I do understand instantly the biggest leak in the idea arises :
You expect people that have a steady XX$/hr rate playing on a stable platform with a .. well formally stable currency ( there s no real stable currency in current financial system but w/e ) to go and try something completely uncertain, after thousands of hours spent working towards that stability.
Why would they throw that? Surely the theoretical following results of the success of the idea would be quite beneficial, but there are so many arguments to be made before that actually happening, that its quite unlikely many would follow such path

I was 100% sure I would see digger posting about Najcoin in this thread... you did not disappoint lol

On November 11 2015 17:16 Spitfiree wrote: Im not questioning crypto currency as im not educated enough on the topic and don't give fucks about it at this point. I was referring to the ideal money -poker idea. I'm not judging your idea as good or bad as im not capable of that either as there are many things I have to inform myself about before being able to comment in greater depth. However from what I do understand instantly the biggest leak in the idea arises : You expect people that have a steady XX$/hr rate playing on a stable platform with a .. well formally stable currency ( there s no real stable currency in current financial system but w/e ) to go and try something completely uncertain, after thousands of hours spent working towards that stability. Why would they throw that? Surely the theoretical following results of the success of the idea would be quite beneficial, but there are so many arguments to be made before that actually happening, that its quite unlikely many would follow such path

You are educated and smart, you see and ask the correct questions. You see and understand the difficulty of both creating and effective rake standard and/or creating a money that has a stable value. VERY few peoples could get to the point you just ask and understand it. I do wish to find peoples like you, first to show that the triffin dilemma exists in poker, and 2nd to show it has been solved. Cheers, you nailed it!

Originally Posted by Wiki The Triffin dilemma or paradox is the conflict of economic interests that arises between short-term domestic and long-term international objectives for countries whose currencies serve as global reserve currencies. I want us to collectively be able to understand and describe the problem that Dnegs and the rest of the community faces today in regards to recent rake policy changes announced by the status quo site. An interesting excerpt from recently leaked conversations with dnegs and others can help us illustrate this point: Quote: /2015 22:05:26] MouldyOnions: i believe you should adjust the rake depending on how beatable the games are. so in a game where everyone is equal skill, you have 0 rake Dnegs puts out the counter argument and here is where the Dilemna can be seen: Quote: Devil’s Advocate, a site cannot guarantee games are beatable. If, for example, all that were left were all players of equal skill, ANY rake would make the games unbeatable. Sites cannot rationally contemplate such rake policies, yet we can see from the perspective of the players such a policy of standardizing effective rake IS in fact “ideal”. This is what we should call “Poker’s Triffin Dilemna” and once we can collectively understand the problem and the difficulty of solving it, I wish to present to the community my solution for it.

On November 12 2015 03:36 Baalim wrote: I was 100% sure I would see digger posting about Najcoin in this thread... you did not disappoint lol

Its cool, its just my trolling, my laughing, my fun, my riducule of Amaya stars is far beyond the scope of your ability to see.

Tell us about Stars coin Baal. Tell us what is more valuable, Stars coin, bitcoin, or Naj coin? Tell us why. Tell us what is money and how these coins are arising and what will be the future of them. Stars coin... you know what is funny, they know they have to create a currency, a stars currency, but they have no idea why the fuck they have to do it. They fucked up. They really really fucked up. Stars coin will not save amaya.


ha.

BTW I am not at all comfortable with my raked monies going to anything that supports your ignorant ass. Just saying.

now i m 93% sure digger is trolling

On November 12 2015 05:02 dogmeat wrote: now i m 93% sure digger is trolling

Will you ever contribute, or will it always be that 100% of your posts will have absolutely 0 substance to them?

Ps: What happens when the troll holds the logical key?

And yes by "troll" I mean we are going to staple gun up our own tele comm network. I don't know if staple gun translates. Basically an example recently hong kong government tried to censor the internet and the kids made an ad hoc net using mesh tech with their mobile phones. Its archaic, but we don't need a superior system, we just need something that can act as a transferable utility. So you see the fun in it.

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Its like coupons. Except they can't be counterfeited. Thats the key. What is money? Over the history of man we have solved this exact issue many times by the issuance of currency. The fact that many are ignorant to the practicality means nothing and simply furthers the need for a money. To be clear, i realize its ridiculous, but its me laughing at YOU, cause ur dumb

could you elaborate on my posts having 0 substance to them?

On November 12 2015 12:21 dogmeat wrote: could you elaborate on my posts having 0 substance to them?

Not really anything to elaborate on, ducy?

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Dear AMAYA, It seems to us that when you bought PokerStars, you had an idea of poker players being nothing more than a bunch of gamblers waiting to have all their money taken from them. The last announcement about changes in PokerStars’ VIP program for 2016 is a clear sign of that. These changes include the abolition of the Supernova Elite status, a complete removal of any rakeback for high-stakes cash games ($5/$10 and above) and also significantly cutting rewards for all players with PlatinumStar and Supernova status. Announcing these changes in November, when a lot of players have already put in plenty of hard work to achieve the given status (with an expectation of better rewards next year) is not fair, to say the least. What is even worse is the wording that your staff use - that by implementing these changes they are trying to help the poker ecosystem and recreational players. The truth is that all they are doing is taking huge amounts of money from winning players and putting it straight in to their own pockets. Among other ways, they are also doing this by converting all FPPs to StarsCoins on 1st January 2016, devaluing them by 25% - which also doesn’t help the recreational players in any way. It feels silly having to remind you that poker is not a casino game. A long time ago we all fell in love with PokerStars because they, as one of the very few poker rooms out there, realized that poker is a game of skill that produces other winners besides the house itself. Every single player who logs in dreams about becoming a poker professional one day and making a living playing this beautiful game. That said, not a single one of us is going to put in any work to achieve that dream if the end of this road – the road of becoming a winning player - is paved with nothing but an ever-increasing number of obstacles, lack of integrity and disrespect. We all understand and even agree that there should be some changes made in order to help the online poker ecosystem, but we are more than confident that maximizing the profits of your shareholders is not the way. Not if this is done by minimizing players’ chances of becoming a poker professional and effectively killing the dream we all share. We would like to and need to be a part of the conversation. We used to be your customers, your business partners. Now we are just cows quietly waiting to be milked out of our last pennies. But we refuse to stay quiet. Groups of angry customers are forming all over the world to organise anything from media campaigns to strikes in order to stop these changes that are killing poker. And we will not rest until our voices are heard and answered the way they deserve. We will also initiate talks with other online poker rooms, looking for possibilities of moving to a site that treats us with at least a bit of decency. We are all-in, Amaya, what’s your move? Your customers signed below.