Strange symptoms

And what was your experience Nitewin if you mind sharing? Symptoms and medication used. You can PM me if you feel more comfortable

It's like the blind are leading the blind in this blog.


Anyway, welcome back. I hope you feel better.

On September 14 2015 14:53 gruggel wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2015 14:34 Spitfiree wrote:   On September 14 2015 14:31 gruggel wrote: Dont give up, you are the one who knows your body, not the doctor. Use google and stuff so you know what youre talking about when you talk to your doctor, the doctors here in sweden can be kinda ignorant so Its good to know what youre talking about If you wanna get good again. worst advice ever given on the internet tell me how people with 10 years of education before they practice at a basic level have less knowledge don't use google - i can tell u the result ull get - it ll be cancer I can see that you have never ever been to a doctor ........ Of course you can get a good one..... But I didnt, It took me 5 different doctors to get a good one. The best way to fix you is to give you pills, pills and pills instead of fix the real problem. They are veeery good at that in Sweden.

Lets see
both my parents are doctors
so are a bunch of friends
they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them

That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck.

What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u

You probably just had a bad luck w medical employees. That is a worldwide problem - I've had those myself although I've literally got the best connections when it comes to that. That doesn't mean the majority aren't good specialist

I disagree about "google the symptoms", but its true doctors aren't perfect and can miss things.

As i explained in my blog, i saw like 10+ doc, and only one thought it was H pylori, and he was right. Therefore, its a good idea to get a second, or even a third opinion.

But googling your symptoms is probably a bad idea, especially if you might suffer from health anxiety.

Also, out of the 10 docs i saw, there was many different "diagnostics". Some said anxiety, some said heartburn and prescribed me anti-acid, some said it was inflammation and prescribed meds for that, and one suggested it could be skeletic.

The point is, treating the human body is probably much more complicated than fixing a computer, and guess what, my job is tech support and we do mistakes all the time. There's no doubt doctors make mistakes too.

On September 15 2015 01:00 Floofy wrote: I disagree about "google the symptoms", but its true doctors aren't perfect and can miss things. As i explained in my blog, i saw like 10+ doc, and only one thought it was H pylori, and he was right. Therefore, its a good idea to get a second, or even a third opinion. But googling your symptoms is probably a bad idea, especially if you might suffer from health anxiety. Also, out of the 10 docs i saw, there was many different "diagnostics". Some said anxiety, some said heartburn and prescribed me anti-acid, some said it was inflammation and prescribed meds for that, and one suggested it could be skeletic. The point is, treating the human body is probably much more complicated than fixing a computer, and guess what, my job is tech support and we do mistakes all the time. There's no doubt doctors make mistakes too.

I would bet anxiety at 1:1 odds about your problem in a heartbeat... many of your doctors were probably ignorant

On September 14 2015 19:37 Spitfiree wrote: ...they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck. What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u

It's really funny to hear you describe patients in that way. The reality is doctors are extremely busy, clearly overworked and only human. The body is very complicated and while some problems are easy to solve with a pure positive impact, it's pure arrogance to say they're "tired of retards that google their symptoms"... there are LOTS of doctors that shouldn't be operating if you think they should know everything (especially GPs!!) and you trust the first one you meet 100% because "he/she is a doctor". They literally follow text book procedure in almost all of their decision making process and are terrified of things they can't explain with numbers i.e. they might dismiss them as psychological or give generic advice. Then there are financial and lab time constraints that make them shun "speculative" or "less likely" tests even though you know another doctor with more experience or knowledge would do it immediately to at the very least get a reference. To get the tests you need on a social healthcare system you REALLY need to do internet research and battle for it. You won't always be right but the truth is doctors can only care so much for 1 patient and it's your duty to always care for yourself. They have specialists for various areas or systems of the body because of it's complexity and even then they aren't all up to date on the latest medical knowledge. Get real.

On September 15 2015 02:43 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2015 19:37 Spitfiree wrote: ...they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck. What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u It's really funny to hear you describe patients in that way. The reality is doctors are extremely busy, clearly overworked and only human. The body is very complicated and while some problems are easy to solve with a pure positive impact, it's pure arrogance to say they're "tired of retards that google their symptoms"... there are LOTS of doctors that shouldn't be operating if you think they should know everything (especially GPs!!) and you trust the first one you meet 100% because "he/she is a doctor". They literally follow text book procedure in almost all of their decision making process and are terrified of things they can't explain with numbers i.e. they might dismiss them as psychological or give generic advice. Then there are financial and lab time constraints that make them shun "speculative" or "less likely" tests even though you know another doctor with more experience or knowledge would do it immediately to at the very least get a reference. To get the tests you need on a social healthcare system you REALLY need to do internet research and battle for it. You won't always be right but the truth is doctors can only care so much for 1 patient and it's your duty to always care for yourself. They have specialists for various areas or systems of the body because of it's complexity and even then they aren't all up to date on the latest medical knowledge. Get real.

Very true post man.

As an example, i was convinced of having H pylori (in my case, not because of internet, but because of a cardiologist), and i asked several doctors and they laughed at me saying i'm just anxious. My family doctor finally let me do the test, stating he didn't think i have it, but that he doesn't mind letting me do it for my peace of mind. And yea it was positive... and H pylori can get very bad if left untreated.

Of course, those doctors are from social healthcare system. Pretty sure a doctor from private sector would have gladly made me pass the test asap.

On September 15 2015 01:55 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2015 01:00 Floofy wrote: I disagree about "google the symptoms", but its true doctors aren't perfect and can miss things. As i explained in my blog, i saw like 10+ doc, and only one thought it was H pylori, and he was right. Therefore, its a good idea to get a second, or even a third opinion. But googling your symptoms is probably a bad idea, especially if you might suffer from health anxiety. Also, out of the 10 docs i saw, there was many different "diagnostics". Some said anxiety, some said heartburn and prescribed me anti-acid, some said it was inflammation and prescribed meds for that, and one suggested it could be skeletic. The point is, treating the human body is probably much more complicated than fixing a computer, and guess what, my job is tech support and we do mistakes all the time. There's no doubt doctors make mistakes too. I would bet anxiety at 1:1 odds about your problem in a heartbeat... many of your doctors were probably ignorant

It is proven by a blood test that i DO have H pylori.

Now, is it possible H pylori made me anxious because of the symptoms it did to me? Yes
Is it possible i simply have both H pylori and anxiety? Yes

@OP, do you have your T3/T4/TSH/other numbers? Was it "free T4" or just T4? Always interesting.

Bad quality sleep could be due to a lot of things, consider:
- environmental noise and light polution, bedroom should be quiet and pitch black
- eating too close to bedtime esp high energy/sweet/stimulating foods, avoid 2-4 hrs before, more if you use energy drinks..
- if you're overweight, go on a diet, less calories means less energy in the evenings = easier to sleep
- settle down in a quiet place + read a book, drink some relaxing herbal tea (not green), do things you genuinely associate with relaxation
- keep a clean bed you look forward to sleeping in

No idea how active you are daily but I imagine you do a lot of sitting. If I was you, I'd get into the habbit of doing stretches every day for all muscles you're feeling that sensation in and see if that helps at all. I'm no expert but consider if those muscles are really tense throughout the day. Think about what you're doing or have been doing when you feel it. Really try to stretch out your body, especially your back & neck with multiple stretches and be careful/gentle, it's hard to say over the net what condition your body is in. Maybe you have an issue with your spine? Probably also a good idea to do light bodyweight exercises like squats to help strengthen those adductors a bit. Just some ideas, i assume you can google stretches + how to do bodyweight squats.

Sounds similar to what happened to me a while back. Had never had a panic attack in my life but after a short coke problem i induced some anxiety and had my first panick attacks. thought it was heart problems initially which exacerbated things. Once I realized what it was (and quit drugs) I was able to get it in check but I am still now more prone to anxiety than i was and vulnerable to panic attacks in certain situations when my nervous system is whacked (hungover, stimulated from coffee). I don't take anything for it but a benzo like ativan (lorazepam) is great if you are actually in the middle of an attack.

There is a middle stage of the anxiety like a pre attack where heart rate is increased and you are very conscious of your breathing and likely not feeling like you are getting enough air. maybe taking the occasional deep breath. This is the pre attack for me or semi attack that can happen more regularly from more mundane things. The full blown panic attack is when I start getting repeated adrenaline surges in the solar plexus in what feels like a feedback loop, extreme dysphoria with an out of body feeling, tingling weak limbs. This rarely happens and hopefully it doesn't get quite that bad for you

oj, accidental double post, deleting this one

[B] they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck. What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u You probably just had a bad luck w medical employees. That is a worldwide problem - I've had those myself although I've literally got the best connections when it comes to that. That doesn't mean the majority aren't good specialist

It works the other way around to, I've been struggling an overwhelming amount for the longest time. And some of the doctor's have been beyond terrible, like literally making everything worse. And if it wasn't for googling my own symptoms trying to figure out what was going on I'd probably be dead by now.

This has built up a lot of skepticism, suspicion whenever the doctor's tell me something, I don't trust or, or believe it of the bat. I thread carefully, and I go home and check on the internet. Found out a lot of them are extremely thick, and it's a miracle they got to the positions they were in.

10 years ago I started struggling a lot with fatigue, exhaustion, slept 10-12 hours on average. Got worse, poopt once a week, at work, it got so bad I started passing out.

Started seeing doctor's regularly. And got miss-diagnosed, made it worse for a few years. Had to quit work, since it started being a habit of falling over in pain, cramps, and had to get rushed to hospital.

Got told it was mental, lack of exercise, bad diet. Got put on fruit diet, got told to job and be positive. And a lot of shit medication for symptoms. Like when you can't poop, you sometimes get cramps, start to shake, get panic attacks when you think it's about to happen. So meds for all of that shit, but most of the meds had some form of side effects, so got that on top of it.

At the worst (this is still 10 years ago), I stopped moving, phone off, just in bed, got up, ate, puked, tried to poop, drink, pass out, rinse repeat. Got stupid, sluggish, couldn't think, just pain. Till my dad drove 700km and found me passed out. (Had fallen down to 54kg in weight by this time, down from 68)

Took me home, started googling symptoms, found out I can't eat fructose, and everything I ate had it.

And ever since then it's gotten more and more, and I get surprised by the stupidest shit they tell me.

Out of 30 different doctor's or so, 4 has been nice and good, rest have been attrocious.

(Sorry for rant lol)

On September 15 2015 02:43 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 14 2015 19:37 Spitfiree wrote: ...they are sick and tired of retards that google their symptoms and go for doctor shopping till someone agrees with them That being said psychological problems are not ones to be treated by doctors, they are not shrinks. They can threat the physical symptoms which leads to pills. Thats why this area of treatment is shady as fuck. What a person can do is get his shit together like OP did and change his habits to healthier ones which is a process. No one will wave a wand and do it for u It's really funny to hear you describe patients in that way. The reality is doctors are extremely busy, clearly overworked and only human. The body is very complicated and while some problems are easy to solve with a pure positive impact, it's pure arrogance to say they're "tired of retards that google their symptoms"... there are LOTS of doctors that shouldn't be operating if you think they should know everything (especially GPs!!) and you trust the first one you meet 100% because "he/she is a doctor". They literally follow text book procedure in almost all of their decision making process and are terrified of things they can't explain with numbers i.e. they might dismiss them as psychological or give generic advice. Then there are financial and lab time constraints that make them shun "speculative" or "less likely" tests even though you know another doctor with more experience or knowledge would do it immediately to at the very least get a reference. To get the tests you need on a social healthcare system you REALLY need to do internet research and battle for it. You won't always be right but the truth is doctors can only care so much for 1 patient and it's your duty to always care for yourself. They have specialists for various areas or systems of the body because of it's complexity and even then they aren't all up to date on the latest medical knowledge. Get real.

+1

Agree 110%

On September 15 2015 02:43 ggplz wrote: ...l.

I get where you come off.
First I'll say in no means do i say that you should only follow the opinion of the first doctor you go to- as I've said even I don't do that and I really get if not the best, then close to the best medical care someone could receive where I live. What I meant by googling symptoms is actually doing that literally and then expecting to have adequate information in your head. If you haven't learned medicine your brain ( even if you re a critical thinker ) wont be able to filter out the bullshit from the truth simply because you wouldn't be informed enough and that would lead to major problems - thats why just don't do it.

Second don't give GPs as an example GP stands for General Practitioner - It's a doctor that has his bachelor in Medicine after 4 to 7 years of education varies from country to country. They are no specialists. They are not qualified to give you a diagnosis unless its something as simple as a cold or w/e. Specialists go through years of more learning and practicing

@Marius

I know we discussed it if you remember. And it's a really fucked up scenario which pains me knowing such things could still happen in highly developed countries.
I ll say this though and It ll most definitely make me look like an asshole. Only a smart person that is willing to spend the time should actually google his symptoms ( as you did ). 99.99% of the people doing it read 2 articles and they are all done diagnosing themselves with clinical depression or cancer ( two most spread in the internet )

Then again i might be highly biased due to my overall good health plus having lived with good specialist

On September 15 2015 03:40 ggplz wrote: @OP, do you have your T3/T4/TSH/other numbers? Was it "free T4" or just T4? Always interesting. Bad quality sleep could be due to a lot of things, consider: - environmental noise and light polution, bedroom should be quiet and pitch black - eating too close to bedtime esp high energy/sweet/stimulating foods, avoid 2-4 hrs before, more if you use energy drinks.. - if you're overweight, go on a diet, less calories means less energy in the evenings = easier to sleep - settle down in a quiet place + read a book, drink some relaxing herbal tea (not green), do things you genuinely associate with relaxation - keep a clean bed you look forward to sleeping in No idea how active you are daily but I imagine you do a lot of sitting. If I was you, I'd get into the habbit of doing stretches every day for all muscles you're feeling that sensation in and see if that helps at all. I'm no expert but consider if those muscles are really tense throughout the day. Think about what you're doing or have been doing when you feel it. Really try to stretch out your body, especially your back & neck with multiple stretches and be careful/gentle, it's hard to say over the net what condition your body is in. Maybe you have an issue with your spine? Probably also a good idea to do light bodyweight exercises like squats to help strengthen those adductors a bit. Just some ideas, i assume you can google stretches + how to do bodyweight squats.

1. It was free T4

2. I had uninterrupted sleep last 2 nights with linden tea + Mg supplement (100g aspartate, 100g oxide, 20g citrate)

3. Im 55Kg, 1.73m (underweight imo) and was active prior to the physical symptoms. Doing Parkour, calisthenics and stretching. At least doing something every day like a warm up
March: I started to make some stretching from a Tstatsoulin book. Had ardour in the hamstring tendons in the knee area for 2 weeks
May: Started to lift weights and after 1 deadlift day I've been unable to sleep that day (only that day) and had some fasciculation and strange ardours in the rotator cuff, hamstrings and lats which lasted about 2 months
Ago: Tried some oly lifting and after doing squats with an unloaded barbell I had my obliques very tense. Had to stop becouse my elevated heart rate. Now ardour moved to trapezius, vastus medialis, adductors and obliques (no more in hamstrings and lats to date)
Mid Ago: Tried some myofascial massage and discovered tense fibers in the whole body. Massaged them with the trigger point method. Next day I had problems walking, elevated pulse for random causes, bad sleep and ardours in muscles I dont recognize being forced that much like hands and toes. This is the first time I had problems to sleep also

With all this story its easy to relate my symptoms to a physical cause in my mind like painless nerve damage or a sensitive neuropathy. But maybe I was the one who built this symptoms amplifying the sensations. To date I have no problem doing exercise. I only have to accept I need more recovery and less intesity. Otherwise I got tense and I start to feel the ardours again in the worked/stretched muscles

I know what googling symptoms literally means and while there are surely people who misapply that information or can't distinguish a reputable source from trash if you go to see a doctor, have your facts straight and aren't delusional you have grounds to look into something. At the very least, they're talking points for your meeting, obv don't come across like a mad scientist. I don't like how you frown upon "doctor shopping", it's often a matter of finding a doctor who has experience dealing with a certain condition and GPs are technically medical doctors and the first point of contact in most (all?) medical systems. Seeing another GP is doctor shopping. From my experience once someone has been trained they can all too easily take that word as gospel which is incredibly harmful with first point of care providers like GPs as they can miss fine details only specialists, senior doctors or searching the internet can reveal. Without the internet people really are at the mercy of that first GP they saw.. what else empowered Floofy to keep asking questions? Sure he had problems but a lot of people live with those or supress them with pills. People were telling him it was psychological too. He's seen a lot of people at this point and finally a doctor begrudgingly agreed to test for h.pylori, which was positive. That's so true for a lot of conditions that don't clearly and immediately threaten to kill you. I know of several doctors who probably think I'm retarded at this point too, I even had one laugh in my face but the most recent doctor I saw finally got somewhere and basically chastises her colleagues. If I hadn't kept pushing, they would all be sitting around laughing about how big a retard I am to their son or whoever. As a final note, totally suggest that if/when you do go through multiple doctors you let the other ones you saw know what the problem actually was.

On September 15 2015 17:23 Forrest Gump wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2015 03:40 ggplz wrote: @OP, do you have your T3/T4/TSH/other numbers? Was it "free T4" or just T4? Always interesting. Bad quality sleep could be due to a lot of things, consider: - environmental noise and light polution, bedroom should be quiet and pitch black - eating too close to bedtime esp high energy/sweet/stimulating foods, avoid 2-4 hrs before, more if you use energy drinks.. - if you're overweight, go on a diet, less calories means less energy in the evenings = easier to sleep - settle down in a quiet place + read a book, drink some relaxing herbal tea (not green), do things you genuinely associate with relaxation - keep a clean bed you look forward to sleeping in No idea how active you are daily but I imagine you do a lot of sitting. If I was you, I'd get into the habbit of doing stretches every day for all muscles you're feeling that sensation in and see if that helps at all. I'm no expert but consider if those muscles are really tense throughout the day. Think about what you're doing or have been doing when you feel it. Really try to stretch out your body, especially your back & neck with multiple stretches and be careful/gentle, it's hard to say over the net what condition your body is in. Maybe you have an issue with your spine? Probably also a good idea to do light bodyweight exercises like squats to help strengthen those adductors a bit. Just some ideas, i assume you can google stretches + how to do bodyweight squats. 1. It was free T4 2. I had uninterrupted sleep last 2 nights with linden tea + Mg supplement (100g aspartate, 100g oxide, 20g citrate) 3. Im 55Kg, 1.73m (underweight imo) and was active prior to the physical symptoms. Doing Parkour, calisthenics and stretching. At least doing something every day like a warm up March: I started to make some stretching from a Tstatsoulin book. Had ardour in the hamstring tendons in the knee area for 2 weeks May: Started to lift weights and after 1 deadlift day I've been unable to sleep that day (only that day) and had some fasciculation and strange ardours in the rotator cuff, hamstrings and lats which lasted about 2 months Ago: Tried some oly lifting and after doing squats with an unloaded barbell I had my obliques very tense. Had to stop becouse my elevated heart rate. Now ardour moved to trapezius, vastus medialis, adductors and obliques (no more in hamstrings and lats to date) Mid Ago: Tried some myofascial massage and discovered tense fibers in the whole body. Massaged them with the trigger point method. Next day I had problems walking, elevated pulse for random causes, bad sleep and ardours in muscles I dont recognize being forced that much like hands and toes. This is the first time I had problems to sleep also With all this story its easy to relate my symptoms to a physical cause in my mind like painless nerve damage or a sensitive neuropathy. But maybe I was the one who built this symptoms amplifying the sensations. To date I have no problem doing exercise. I only have to accept I need more recovery and less intesity. Otherwise I got tense and I start to feel the ardours again in the worked/stretched muscles

Nice that you're getting better sleep. Can't suggest much more than I have but it just sounds like your body is breaking down and struggling to rebuild in time. As you said, you need more rest and less training but it sounds like you're actually pretty active. Are you on a low carb diet by any chance? I'd experiment with more carbs and I'd definitely buy icecream regularly and see how you respond to it. Yea, sounds stupid but ice cream is a highly rewarding food for your body, it lowers stress, helps you relax & will give you energy to pack on muscle and recover quick. Try regular ice cream without all the added sauces etc, you want the sugar though. You can afford to put on a few extra kgs easy and it'll really help put your body into a more anabolic state rather than catabolic.

On September 14 2015 14:15 Forrest Gump wrote: Cant nap during my active times 2.

hypnosis tapes from paulMcKenna should help. And if you can't nap=active hypnosis, I always get into microsleep tho :D

On September 15 2015 03:11 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On September 15 2015 01:55 Baalim wrote:   On September 15 2015 01:00 Floofy wrote: I disagree about "google the symptoms", but its true doctors aren't perfect and can miss things. As i explained in my blog, i saw like 10+ doc, and only one thought it was H pylori, and he was right. Therefore, its a good idea to get a second, or even a third opinion. But googling your symptoms is probably a bad idea, especially if you might suffer from health anxiety. Also, out of the 10 docs i saw, there was many different "diagnostics". Some said anxiety, some said heartburn and prescribed me anti-acid, some said it was inflammation and prescribed meds for that, and one suggested it could be skeletic. The point is, treating the human body is probably much more complicated than fixing a computer, and guess what, my job is tech support and we do mistakes all the time. There's no doubt doctors make mistakes too. I would bet anxiety at 1:1 odds about your problem in a heartbeat... many of your doctors were probably ignorant It is proven by a blood test that i DO have H pylori. Now, is it possible H pylori made me anxious because of the symptoms it did to me? Yes Is it possible i simply have both H pylori and anxiety? Yes

Yeah you seem to have both, also as a doctor I would advice tests even if I dont believe you a physical problem, it can help a lot with anxiety to factually know there is nothing physically wrong