LikeASet United States. Sep 06 2015 01:21. Posts 2113
U.S.A. bout to get stacked, we got about half of our country supporting this guy for presidential election.
All he does is yell out the word "jobs", blames everything on China, and then when it comes to immigration his plan is to build a wall along the border and deport all current illegal immigrants. He over simplifies every problem the U.S. has which helps create his appeal to the general U.S. population who don't like to apply critical thinking to any parts of their lives.
Bill O'Reilly asks him "Do you support gay marriage?"
Trump replies "No, I'm against it"
Bill: "Why"
Trump: "I don't know, I just don't feel good about it."
The fk?
Note: The show is on a right-wing conservative network, and the host is usually ignorant on many topics. When Trump is on, Bill seems like the voice of reason.
Nitewin United States. Sep 06 2015 02:14. Posts 1539
Old but still shows his brilliance. He's got the right idea on making USA a great nation. They may not be the highest EV decisions for the planet as a whole in the far future. But it's def the highest EV for USA in the near future. I agree that there are far greater problems than gay marriage and it's a non-issue relatively speaking. He doesn't give details on certain topics but then again, no president does. He's an aggressive leader with an entrepreneurial mind. What's not to like?
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 06 2015 02:21. Posts 13050
Trump is a smarter version of Bush Jr., which is worse for America.
He has a big mouth and he speaks how he feels and that's not the president America elects anymore
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MARSHALL28 United States. Sep 06 2015 03:47. Posts 1897
If you think Trump is a bad idea as president I think you are quite misinformed.
The country is in a really bad place. Moving towards what happened in Greece.
American politicians are extremely corrupt. Special interest groups literally have all the power in the US and the citizens have just about none. Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money. Therefore he's the only one who will actually be able to facilitate actual change.
It really bugs me when people hate on Trump because, like, have you not been paying attention to the shit hole the US has become? What makes you think another politician is going to be the answer to fix the problems? We've had so many politicians. No real change ever happens. Except them getting rich.
The thing is, it's all part of the elite's scheme to get people to focus on non-issues like gay marriage because they want to distract you to keep you from noticing all the evil shit they are doing.
If you are against Trump because he doesn't support gay marriage, I think you're priorities aren't in the right place.
NewbSaibot United States. Sep 06 2015 04:53. Posts 4943
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money.....................We've had so many politicians. No real change ever happens. Except them getting rich.
Do you see the problem here? You cant say Trump cares less about money than a politician when money has been Trump's only motivating driving force his entire life. I think a lot of America is in an "aw fuck it" phase right now. Politicians are pussies. While Trump certainly has the balls to run a business the way he see's fit, he'll only do so for his own self-interests. I dont think his interests align with the country, and literally all it will take is Sheldon Adelson to wire 1 billion dollars to Trumps personal checking account and it's over, he'll do whatever it asked of him. If it's one thing rich people have taught us it's that there's no such thing as being too rich. I think if party donations were forbidden Trump might actually be able to get shit done because he'd do whatever the fuck he wants, and we're all so jaded at this point we'd like to see someone accomplish something, anything, instead of the usual "negotiations" we get that just end in stale mate every time.
Right now no single President has outright failed in decades. If Trump takes office and completely drops the ball, starts WW3, wrecks economy, or vice versa, GOOD. At least then we can point the finger as an example of what not to do. Right now the country is split 50/50 along ideological grounds because it doesnt matter what president wins, they'll both be equally (un)productive.
bye now
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LikeASet United States. Sep 06 2015 05:04. Posts 2113
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
If you think Trump is a bad idea as president I think you are quite misinformed.
The country is in a really bad place. Moving towards what happened in Greece.
American politicians are extremely corrupt. Special interest groups literally have all the power in the US and the citizens have just about none. Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money. Therefore he's the only one who will actually be able to facilitate actual change.
It really bugs me when people hate on Trump because, like, have you not been paying attention to the shit hole the US has become? What makes you think another politician is going to be the answer to fix the problems? We've had so many politicians. No real change ever happens. Except them getting rich.
The thing is, it's all part of the elite's scheme to get people to focus on non-issues like gay marriage because they want to distract you to keep you from noticing all the evil shit they are doing.
If you are against Trump because he doesn't support gay marriage, I think you're priorities aren't in the right place.
/rant
I don't think you watched the video, or any of the debate videos he had with other republicans.
I don't think you notice how he promises the world with any realistic plan on how to do so.
I don't support him because he said that he wants to invest even more into the military because he thinks our military is still not intimidating enough to the other countries. He wants to build an actual wall along the southern border which is going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars and there's no way you can effectively monitor 2'000 miles 24/7, 365 days a year. He wants to eliminate the minimum wage and have military stay in Iraq to claim the oil fields.
It's not that Trump is against gay marriage that bothers me so much, it's the argument or the lack of that he makes for his stances. You can't just deny people rights because oh you just don't feel good about it? And you think he's a compassionate guy that's going to fight for affordable health care and education?
This guy has never lived in reality, he inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his dad and used it to play around in the field of real estate. He owns casinos and golf courses, blames China for taking our jobs yet his own freakin clothing line has MADE IN CHINA all over it. He's not likely a Bill-Gates type 1%er who acquires massive wealth and then goes well I'm just going to retire and become a full-time philanthropist now. He's more likely that guy who wants to acquire more and more wealth nonstop so that he can own the most prestigious golf courses, and biggest casino in Vegas.
I could be wrong, and Trump could be a sincere and compassionate guy, but your belief that he has any kind of ground breaking ideas or is going to be the least corrupted is completely unfounded.
If i had to choose a republican it would be Rand Paul. If a I had to choose a democrat it would be Bernie Sanders.
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flounder44 United States. Sep 06 2015 05:07. Posts 916
tl:dw
Trump has my vote cuz he keeps it real
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LikeASet United States. Sep 06 2015 05:09. Posts 2113
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money.....................We've had so many politicians. No real change ever happens. Except them getting rich.
Right now the country is split 50/50 along ideological grounds because it doesnt matter what president wins, they'll both be equally (un)productive.
Depends on who controls the House and Senate and who is President. If you have a president and his/her team of people that come up with decent ideas and policies but the house/senate is controlled by the opposite party whose sole purpose is to not let you accomplish anything during the term no matter what then yep, little to no change is going to happen for another term.
Bernie Sanders addresses every problem trump addresses. The difference is that Bernie offers solutions that aren't 'strongarm the other country into giving us what we want'. Not that I necessarily think all his solutions are viable either, but seriously, Trump? Trump is like.. the very definition of a buffoon. I understand that decades of political incompetence makes you think a non-politician is what you need, but what you actually need is a competent polician - something Sanders has showcased himself as being for just as long as everyone else has been incompetent.
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
If you think Trump is a bad idea as president I think you are quite misinformed.
The country is in a really bad place. Moving towards what happened in Greece.
American politicians are extremely corrupt. Special interest groups literally have all the power in the US and the citizens have just about none. Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money. Therefore he's the only one who will actually be able to facilitate actual change.
Yes because the multi billion dollar corporations and the people that run the Fed reserve wont be able to control Trump cause he s a billionaire ... how naive. I hope you do elect him so you lose your world power once and for all - will be well deserved.
Anyone that thinks Trump is a good idea has no idea when it comes to politics and is quite naive
Ron Paul had the ideology your country needed to establish itself as the dominant power however you guys chose Obama instead. He had ideology close to Trump's except he actually knew what the fuck he was talking about while Trump is purely an idiot that has no idea of international relations and politics
He'd be a pretty awful president. And doubt he has a chance to get elected with how polarizing he is.
But say what you will, his public speaking skills and dealing with pressure is really strong, I've watched the debate and a couple hours of interviews
He always steers the conversation to the points he has without even many actual facts or policies, and is really fun to watch.
So I hope he loses in the end, to pretty much anyone else
But that he gets to be the GOP candidate.
93% Sure!
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MARSHALL28 United States. Sep 06 2015 10:30. Posts 1897
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
If you think Trump is a bad idea as president I think you are quite misinformed.
The country is in a really bad place. Moving towards what happened in Greece.
American politicians are extremely corrupt. Special interest groups literally have all the power in the US and the citizens have just about none. Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money. Therefore he's the only one who will actually be able to facilitate actual change.
It really bugs me when people hate on Trump because, like, have you not been paying attention to the shit hole the US has become? What makes you think another politician is going to be the answer to fix the problems? We've had so many politicians. No real change ever happens. Except them getting rich.
The thing is, it's all part of the elite's scheme to get people to focus on non-issues like gay marriage because they want to distract you to keep you from noticing all the evil shit they are doing.
If you are against Trump because he doesn't support gay marriage, I think you're priorities aren't in the right place.
/rant
I don't think you watched the video, or any of the debate videos he had with other republicans.
I don't think you notice how he promises the world with any realistic plan on how to do so.
I don't support him because he said that he wants to invest even more into the military because he thinks our military is still not intimidating enough to the other countries. He wants to build an actual wall along the southern border which is going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars and there's no way you can effectively monitor 2'000 miles 24/7, 365 days a year. He wants to eliminate the minimum wage and have military stay in Iraq to claim the oil fields.
It's not that Trump is against gay marriage that bothers me so much, it's the argument or the lack of that he makes for his stances. You can't just deny people rights because oh you just don't feel good about it? And you think he's a compassionate guy that's going to fight for affordable health care and education?
This guy has never lived in reality, he inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his dad and used it to play around in the field of real estate. He owns casinos and golf courses, blames China for taking our jobs yet his own freakin clothing line has MADE IN CHINA all over it. He's not likely a Bill-Gates type 1%er who acquires massive wealth and then goes well I'm just going to retire and become a full-time philanthropist now. He's more likely that guy who wants to acquire more and more wealth nonstop so that he can own the most prestigious golf courses, and biggest casino in Vegas.
I could be wrong, and Trump could be a sincere and compassionate guy, but your belief that he has any kind of ground breaking ideas or is going to be the least corrupted is completely unfounded.
If i had to choose a republican it would be Rand Paul. If a I had to choose a democrat it would be Bernie Sanders.
Dude so much of this is incorrect. He didn't inherit shit from his Dad. I have actually watched every debate and probably 15 different Trump speeches along with every interview I could find on youtube.
I see a lot of defeatist attitude in these forums...
I don't really care if he's compassionate. I think he is living a pretty awesome life as it is and he does not need to be president. How does it benefit him to get made fun of constantly on television and to be hated on by so many random people who don't know shit about him? It's not to his benefit to run at all. He's lost money because he began running due to some of the things he's said. If you think this is about money for him I think you are missing the big picture. Seems like you had your mind made up before he opened his mouth even.
His net worth is like 9 billion dollars and you think for an extra one billion that he's going to throw everything he's said here away and ruin his entire reputation and name? This makes zero sense, sigh, I feel bad for the public who make these kinds of assumptions. Even if you're right, it's like you're just accepting defeat.
His plans seem pretty realistic to me. Make deals with other countries that are in our favor and add to our bottom line, cut out a lot of ridiculous unnecessary bureaucracy, use the money you just saved/made to do things that will perpetuate the country in the direction of gaining riches and protecting US citizens (things like building the wall).
I'm sorry this probably comes off a little strong but I literally think anyone who is in opposition of Trump is either incredibly ignorant or incredibly stupid.
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MARSHALL28 United States. Sep 06 2015 10:32. Posts 1897
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
If you think Trump is a bad idea as president I think you are quite misinformed.
The country is in a really bad place. Moving towards what happened in Greece.
American politicians are extremely corrupt. Special interest groups literally have all the power in the US and the citizens have just about none. Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money. Therefore he's the only one who will actually be able to facilitate actual change.
Yes because the multi billion dollar corporations and the people that run the Fed reserve wont be able to control Trump cause he s a billionaire ... how naive. I hope you do elect him so you lose your world power once and for all - will be well deserved.
Anyone that thinks Trump is a good idea has no idea when it comes to politics and is quite naive
Ron Paul had the ideology your country needed to establish itself as the dominant power however you guys chose Obama instead. He had ideology close to Trump's except he actually knew what the fuck he was talking about while Trump is purely an idiot that has no idea of international relations and politics
I can't spend anymore time on these forums because of this kind of ridiculous discourse. You are seriously calling someone who has built an empire by himself and has become one of the richest men in the world a buffoon and purely an idiot?
Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game.
hah I always wondered where this TT quote came from
marshall, what do you think of these articles? Are they lying/biased?
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
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MARSHALL28 United States. Sep 06 2015 11:43. Posts 1897
On September 06 2015 09:53 lebowski wrote: Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game.
hah I always wondered where this TT quote came from
marshall, what do you think of these articles? Are they lying/biased?
I'll respond to reasonable things like this only.
I think the 2nd article seems very credible and likely true. My knowledge of his wealth comes from reading some of his books. Trump is a very good bullshitter and maybe I ate a little too much of it up. He painted the picture of his Dad's business as a small venture building a few small apartment homes and made comments like 'My dad warned me not to try to take on the big boys in New York, that they were out of their league' (obviously I'm paraphrasing).
This doesn't really change my perspective on anything though. Even if he did inherit 300 million and turned it into 9 or 10 billion that seems a pretty incredible feat. I wouldn't agree w/ the writer in the 2nd article that it was "almost inevitable" Trump would reach the Forbes 400 list.
The whole thing is, he's very intelligent with the way he manipulates the public perception. He shies away from speaking too in depth on topics that will cause the public to be divisive on him. He will agree to two contradictory things at different times in order to shape their perception of him at the moment as positive (given he assumes they will be too stupid to recognize these things contradicted one another). When he gets cornered, he shrugs it off that he is playing the game and everyone still goes along with it (except for the people who have a stick up their ass)--news for you people... every person who has ever lived has believed in two contradictory points. It's unavoidable. But this is the reason he'll be a much better president than the other rep representatives, he knows how to play the game and he is a winner.
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LikeASet United States. Sep 06 2015 13:02. Posts 2113
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
If you think Trump is a bad idea as president I think you are quite misinformed.
The country is in a really bad place. Moving towards what happened in Greece.
American politicians are extremely corrupt. Special interest groups literally have all the power in the US and the citizens have just about none. Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money. Therefore he's the only one who will actually be able to facilitate actual change.
Yes because the multi billion dollar corporations and the people that run the Fed reserve wont be able to control Trump cause he s a billionaire ... how naive. I hope you do elect him so you lose your world power once and for all - will be well deserved.
Anyone that thinks Trump is a good idea has no idea when it comes to politics and is quite naive
Ron Paul had the ideology your country needed to establish itself as the dominant power however you guys chose Obama instead. He had ideology close to Trump's except he actually knew what the fuck he was talking about while Trump is purely an idiot that has no idea of international relations and politics
I can't spend anymore time on these forums because of this kind of ridiculous discourse. You are seriously calling someone who has built an empire by himself and has become one of the richest men in the world a buffoon and purely an idiot?
...Who are you? What have you done? LOL!
You would do us all a favor if you can please just go...
he's good at manipulating idiots because he sounds like an idiot and thus idiots find him relatable. he shies away from speaking too in depth on topics because he lacks the required knowledge to speak in depth in them without being wrong. He's a superficial man with a superficial mind and superficial knowledge.
I really think you'll have a hard time finding a scholar in any field that agrees with trump on any policy suggestion semi-unique to trump unless they are on his payroll.
Please, liquidpoker. Don't tell me you're seriously considering voting for trump ?!? I thought you'd be way smarter than the average Joe in the US...
Just please, don't vote for trump. Please ?
Shin-il : Yeah it was very very very good for me too. Rekrul : YOU MOTHER FUCKING FUCKING SON OF A BITCH
stopped video when he said he wanted to impose taxes on Chinese goods. Lewl muricans.
this is George W Bush all over again. Facepalm Marshall.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Bernie Sanders would be a dream come true, for Americans and the rest of the world.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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LikeASet United States. Sep 06 2015 21:12. Posts 2113
On September 06 2015 12:58 RaiZ wrote:
Please, liquidpoker. Don't tell me you're seriously considering voting for trump ?!? I thought you'd be way smarter than the average Joe in the US...
Just please, don't vote for trump. Please ?
Sadly "smarter than the average Joe in the U.S." doesn't mean much.
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LikeASet United States. Sep 06 2015 21:13. Posts 2113
Nitewin United States. Sep 07 2015 01:28. Posts 1539
I feel like there's two trains of thought.
1. Do what's "morally right" for the world and mankind.
2. Do what's best for your country.
We have been operating under the first train of thought for far too long. Trump isn't wrong in any of his ideas here, but simply shifting from the first way of thinking to the second. I'm not advocating this, it's more food for thought; if you had the strongest military in the world by a long shot, why wouldn't you just conquer the world and make everything yours? Why not? Because it's not "morally right". In the medieval days, that's what armies did. Why do we even need an army in this day and age? He's just pushing peoples' morals and they don't like it. As a leader you gotta make tough decisions, and if you view other countries as your competitors, these decisions are what will put you ahead of them.
If you view the world as one big neighborhood, then his ideas might seem too strong. Personally I believe that the whole world should be one nation. The Earth is pretty small, and every country is economically linked enough that we shouldn't have so many separate governments. Armies should be eliminated completely and our focus should shift into making mankind better. But before the world can accept everyone to be under the same nation, I won't disagree with Trump's leadership ideals.
Name what he said in the interview and why. They aren't wrong at all. You guys are starcraft players. It's def the right strat!
Anyone spouting EV this, EV that in terms of ethics, fairness, justice:
There is a free Harvard course on "Justice: What is the Right Thing To Do?" taught by Michael Sandel that addresses a lot of these things. The world would be a better place if everyone took this course.
An idea that just occurred to me. It could actually be awesome if a bunch of people on LP took the course together and we could start threads on here to discuss.
hiems United States. Sep 08 2015 01:05. Posts 2979
I don't know how this is going to come off. It might offend some people I guess.
Ive been feeling a fair amount of GG world for some time myself but for different reasons...that the #1 problem with America has something to do with women and I feel very little hope for this to change any time soon. I guess Im bringing this up in this thread because someone is talking about GG world while talking about the elections while for myself the thought of the first American female president is some metaphor that I think is troublesome.
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
On September 06 2015 02:47 MARSHALL28 wrote:
If you think Trump is a bad idea as president I think you are quite misinformed.
The country is in a really bad place. Moving towards what happened in Greece.
American politicians are extremely corrupt. Special interest groups literally have all the power in the US and the citizens have just about none. Trump is the only one who will not be controlled by the elite and their special interest groups as he is already rich and does not need their money. Therefore he's the only one who will actually be able to facilitate actual change.
Yes because the multi billion dollar corporations and the people that run the Fed reserve wont be able to control Trump cause he s a billionaire ... how naive. I hope you do elect him so you lose your world power once and for all - will be well deserved.
Anyone that thinks Trump is a good idea has no idea when it comes to politics and is quite naive
Ron Paul had the ideology your country needed to establish itself as the dominant power however you guys chose Obama instead. He had ideology close to Trump's except he actually knew what the fuck he was talking about while Trump is purely an idiot that has no idea of international relations and politics
I can't spend anymore time on these forums because of this kind of ridiculous discourse. You are seriously calling someone who has built an empire by himself and has become one of the richest men in the world a buffoon and purely an idiot?
...Who are you? What have you done? LOL!
Are you insane? Trump was born in immense wealth with real state with is like the least skillful way to make money, when he got into casinos he managed to bust his familys fortune.
Ofcourse he is a savvy business man, he has been doing it all his life, but he is clearly an idiot on so so many ways
On September 06 2015 22:27 dogmeat wrote:
Are you guys trolling with sanders? Cant tell
No. Provide rebuttal to Sander's positions supported by facts or there is nothing further to discuss.
how is he not even more retarded version of obama? promoting more social benefits to everyone including free education, healhcare, daycare (rofl), raising min wages in exchange for increasing debt, bureaucracy, corporatism (i know he 'claims' hes againts corporations, but who will execute his marvellous plans for creating new jobs and rebuilding infrastruture?) ??
I do not have time to research all of those. I have come to the conclusion that who really does unless they are Bernie Sanders or putting food on the table to research above. Great online debate tactic that I am guilty of: "Hey everyone, research and answer all of these really complicated questions or there is no discussion (which is true but also perhaps unreasonable)."
I will say image above is misleading.
"Voted YES on Congressional pay raise"
Here is a good example. I do not have the time to go and research all the facts but let's assume that the pay raise was inline with the previous years' and expected future years' inflation rates. That would seem reasonable to me. An argument could be made that the government is in debt and therefore should not be giving pay increases but then the question arises should government be a profit center? Honestly, I have an ideal of government not as government but as trusted public service. I do not know if that ideal is reasonable.
I may do some research on above image and get back to you. Thank you for posting though. All of them are disconcerting. Hopefully, if anyone else has insight and accurate information on above they will chime in and continue the discussion.
In another thread someone mentioned Bernie's policy on Israel. A quick google search could likely provide cliff notes but I figure I would just post to get discussion going on that too before I forget.
On September 09 2015 02:11 dogmeat wrote:
could be, but in reality isnt. it only produces abundance of philosophers, social-antropologists and gender-equality experts
Do you have any facts to support that?
It is a somewhat amusing post. I chuckled. That does not make it accurate.
On September 09 2015 02:11 dogmeat wrote:
could be, but in reality isnt. it only produces abundance of philosophers, social-antropologists and gender-equality experts
this is incorrect and it shows you have a very pessimistic and capitalist view of the world. there are plenty of countries where education is free and this problem does not exist. it enables people of different social statuses and backgrounds to educate themselves and be productive citizens like everybody wants to be
Do not push the river, it will flow by itself. - Polish proverb
The world is a fucked up place if it's generally considered a disadvantage when people take a step back and think a bit about their lives instead of working like mindless drones till they die
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
On September 09 2015 02:11 dogmeat wrote:
could be, but in reality isnt. it only produces abundance of philosophers, social-antropologists and gender-equality experts
this is incorrect and it shows you have a very pessimistic and capitalist view of the world. there are plenty of countries where education is free and this problem does not exist. it enables people of different social statuses and backgrounds to educate themselves and be productive citizens like everybody wants to be
yet in almost every country theres a big demand for doctors and engineers, supplied from 3rd world countries. these jokes about philosophy masters flipping burgers arent that inaccurate
On September 09 2015 11:04 lebowski wrote:
The world is a fucked up place if it's generally considered a disadvantage when people take a step back and think a bit about their lives instead of working like mindless drones till they die
it shows you have a very pessimistic and socialist view of the world when you see working as mindless droning -_-
Working is only mindless droning if you never thought about why you're doing it, a purpose. Which would require you to be a bit of a philosopher of sorts. How does not considering philosophy a useless luxury make me a socialist or pessimistic, I leave it to your always optimistic, joyful and kind hearted responses
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
I've got one more thing to add which I didn't think about earlier to the people that actually think because Trump is supposedly a good businessman that would imply he would be capable of running a government. That is absolutely fundamentally wrong. Businesses are ran in a way where you minimize costs and risk and optimize profits. Governments are exactly the opposite of that ( well not literally ). The USA and therefore the world has been ran by corporations for at least a decade now and look how it turns out. A corporate shark like Trump ( nevermind how discussable his skills in that sphere are ) is the worst thing that could happen to you, adding the fact that he s a moron will lead to a politically unstable environment in the very best scenario. Most of the decisions made when running a country you re put in the dilemma where you have to choose between profits and socially just redistribution the definitions of which are a matter of perspective. For example low income households represent a high risk for the health sector compared to mid-high class meaning they should cover heavier weight of the taxation if seen from business perspective, however that is obviously insane, cause you can't burden such households even further. That's just a basic example and I don't expect even as dumb as Trump to do such thing, but situations common to this will arise that don't have such a clear answer.
Anyways the fact that the western world lacks human resource and Trump's need to chase all the mexicans away shows a clear image of how retarded he is. That's like Germany pushing away Turks or England - Indians. Obviously different cultures and backgrounds will need a long amount of time to adjust, but in the end both parties profit. Immigration problems in the USA are one of the last issues that must be covered. I'm guessing however ( since I have no idea what the situation there is ) that there is s major voting group that would support such claims and a large % of the rest would not give a fuck about it which in no means justifies the deed.
Whole thing feels like a prequel to a civil war vol.2.
Santafairy Korea (South). Sep 15 2015 21:03. Posts 2226
On September 09 2015 19:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:
he speaks like palin. has a bunch of key talking points he always focuses on, but isn't able to string together coherent sentences.
what's the source of this quotation?
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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thewh00sel United States. Sep 17 2015 21:03. Posts 2734
On September 13 2015 13:32 Spitfiree wrote:
I've got one more thing to add which I didn't think about earlier to the people that actually think because Trump is supposedly a good businessman that would imply he would be capable of running a government. That is absolutely fundamentally wrong. Businesses are ran in a way where you minimize costs and risk and optimize profits. Governments are exactly the opposite of that ( well not literally ). The USA and therefore the world has been ran by corporations for at least a decade now and look how it turns out. A corporate shark like Trump ( nevermind how discussable his skills in that sphere are ) is the worst thing that could happen to you, adding the fact that he s a moron will lead to a politically unstable environment in the very best scenario. Most of the decisions made when running a country you re put in the dilemma where you have to choose between profits and socially just redistribution the definitions of which are a matter of perspective. For example low income households represent a high risk for the health sector compared to mid-high class meaning they should cover heavier weight of the taxation if seen from business perspective, however that is obviously insane, cause you can't burden such households even further. That's just a basic example and I don't expect even as dumb as Trump to do such thing, but situations common to this will arise that don't have such a clear answer.
Anyways the fact that the western world lacks human resource and Trump's need to chase all the mexicans away shows a clear image of how retarded he is. That's like Germany pushing away Turks or England - Indians. Obviously different cultures and backgrounds will need a long amount of time to adjust, but in the end both parties profit. Immigration problems in the USA are one of the last issues that must be covered. I'm guessing however ( since I have no idea what the situation there is ) that there is s major voting group that would support such claims and a large % of the rest would not give a fuck about it which in no means justifies the deed.
Whole thing feels like a prequel to a civil war vol.2.
Corporations wouldn't exist without government help. Government is just a made up word...it's people, corruptable people...with guns...telling everyone else what to do. Dont think each law that exists is a threat to your life with a gun? Don't like where your tax dollars are going? Try not paying. Try not agreeing to go to jail when they come to collect that payment and see what they do.
Government shouldnt exist period, nor should majority rules voting. The poorest 50% will always vote to take from the upper 50% and once that 50% mark is eclipsed all the rights and money leave the upper class quickly. that's why free market capitalism will always be the purest way for a world to flourish. Bad ideas die quickly. Good ideas thrive. Better execution overtakes that. With 0 government monopolies are very unlikely, with no taxes goods would be so cheap that living would be insanely cheap as well. If anyone still struggled even a tiny amount of charity takes care of people in need.
On a small scale, think of poker without rake, how much easier would it be for that economy to flourish. Same concept.
I have no real comment on trump, he wants to increase the military industrial complex so he's a fool. But bernie sanders vision would create more damage making more single moms (who needs to hold on to a family structure with a backstop?) /rant /govt
A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand
okay look, there are legitimate reasons to criticize trump, but this is not particularly one of them. call him a retard, call him a piece of shit if you want, but don't act like he's hard to understand.
firstly, the article you linked doesn't actually source when he said that. I was looking for the actual context in which he said that - like interview, speech, Q&A, where he was, what his audience was. his speeches are usually off the cuff, and people are interested in that. that's what people respond to in him. so trying to nitpick that is a little bit like beating a retriever for being a poor shepherd.
in fact, that article is just bad. it's all well and good to make fun of a politician for sounding stupid. I don't believe you could find one who speaks without at least occasional huge mistakes either in content, logic, language, or whatever. there are media professionals who have been making fun of George W. Bush for the past decade and a half. it's not a difficult thing to do. but the question of what role English has in the future of the USA is an interesting and serious one, and it's not a subject that can be resolved by making snarky fun of a 70 year old multibillionaire. so I'm not impressed by that article.
the thing about transcripts is the written language and spoken language are different. they simply are. there are passages in literature that are almost impossible to parse if you hear them aloud. and similarly, I can't imagine deaf people would find subtitles of bill cosby as amusing as if they could hear him. you might possibly have some kind of illusion where everything a public figure says needs to be perfect and ready for publishing. the fact is that if you watch or listen to trump, it's almost always clear what he's talking about and what he means.
I bet I could draw up a transcript of Richard Feynman that would look similar to this article. I could give myself a little spin challenge and fill it with dashes and commas and colons and semicolons and tell myself not to use any periods, even though if I wanted to I could divide it into more sentences. seriously did you think there was anything to that article, it's just a cheap shot
anyway look, the reason people are interested in trump is they are interested in someone who might do something new. they know what they will get from bush or clinton. they'll get a politician doing the same old shit, but not fucking up the country/world noticeably worse than the status quo. I believe people are curious about what Trump could be, but they have yet to be shown that he can really do something different AND not fuck things up in washington and worldwide. specifically, it's been months and he has still apparently learned nothing about any issues. with all the smart people that must be around him, his entourage, advisers, whatever - it seems like nobody has sat him down and taught him anything specific about the world that he ostensibly has a significant chance of being the leader of in a year and a half. if there's something to criticize about Trump, it would be that he isn't showing that he knows anything - or rather he hasn't shown yet that he can learn at the level or pace the president needs to - not his oration, which is obviously his strength.
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
United States. Sep 06 2015 07:04. Posts 8552
