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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jul 28 2015 18:41. Posts 5108

Finally it happened !

"Heads-Up:

There were three main problems with heads-up for us -
The lobby was very intimidating and confusing for new players, with a whole bunch of single players sitting around now playing each other. This could have been solved with the above ring game changes.
Table selection (or, really, bumhunting) is worse at HU than any other form of poker. This was at best half-solved with the above ring game changes. The new behaviour would have been: join game, get matched up with a player you don't want to play, leave, repeatx7, go do something else for 30 minutes. Every once in a while a good player would hit the jackpot and find a weak enough player they're willing to play. So not much changes here unfortunately (other than making it a bit more annoying to try to find the weaker players).
Our data shows that the more a new player in their first month plays heads-up, the less likely they are to return in their second month. Dramatically so. This would not have been fixed with the ring game changes above.

So the decision was made to simply remove HU ring games from our offering. This decision wasn't made lightly. After all, we do make a decent amount of revenue off of this game type (these changes definitely can't be classified as a "money grab". We simply believe heads-up ring games are a very negative game to offer for the overall poker economy on Full Tilt. I'm sure it can work somewhere, in some form, and maybe someday we'll come up with a way to do that. For now, though, it's gone."

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PoorUser    United States. Jul 28 2015 18:52. Posts 7471

atta boy ftp

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Garfed   Malta. Jul 28 2015 23:53. Posts 4818

Guys, it's Full Tilt, they removed "poker" from the name over a year ago :D


morph1   Sierra Leone. Jul 29 2015 16:37. Posts 2352

unibet was first.. just sayin'

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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jul 30 2015 20:03. Posts 5108


  On July 29 2015 15:37 morph1 wrote:
unibet was first.. just sayin'



Everest poker I think ? They put HU poker to a separate lobby that nobody cared about

And games got a lot better @ midstakes.

:DLast edit: 03/08/2015 15:35

fastriffs   United Kingdom. Jul 31 2015 00:08. Posts 6

So you're happy and think its a good thing? Do you realise the real reason they removed HU? Because it extracted money from the pool the fastest, generating smallest amounts of rake. There are better ways to clean the lobby and make HU games generate more rake, exactly King of the hill system, where only few tables per limit are available at any time.
You are happy cause you're probably a 6 max player, and you will benefit directly from this. Very lame attitude. What you fail to notice is that ftp/stars is heading towards creating an environment that minimises wins and loses of players, bringing everybody closest to breakeven poker as possible.


AndrewSong    United States. Aug 01 2015 07:29. Posts 2355


  On July 30 2015 23:08 fastriffs wrote:
So you're happy and think its a good thing? Do you realise the real reason they removed HU? Because it extracted money from the pool the fastest, generating smallest amounts of rake. There are better ways to clean the lobby and make HU games generate more rake, exactly King of the hill system, where only few tables per limit are available at any time.
You are happy cause you're probably a 6 max player, and you will benefit directly from this. Very lame attitude. What you fail to notice is that ftp/stars is heading towards creating an environment that minimises wins and loses of players, bringing everybody closest to breakeven poker as possible.



It's more then that. 888/FTP reps stated many times that the first time depositors who sat in HU were least likely to deposit again. The ones who sat in ring games/mtt had the highest re-deposit ratio


fastriffs   United Kingdom. Aug 03 2015 04:52. Posts 6

Yes, that very well might be true. But what is the magnitude of this? How big was the difference, did they reveal it? The fact that there was a difference doesnt mean shit. If it was 80% for mTT/ring and 75% for HU, thats not a reason to ban the game!


 



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