From dog meat festivals, gutter oil industry, fake eggs/rice/canned meat, no respect for patents or copyrights our Chinese brethren just obviously don't follow any kind of rule that is not imposed by their own government, and their government doesn't seem to care
Philippines upset that they just took over a disputed group of islands and built military bases but keep denying it even if the U.S.have evidence that they clearly are - China doesn't even intend to attend the international trials being held(thanks Obama) http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/17/asia/china-south-china-sea-land-reclamation/
Government even drove the stock market of China to appear that it's still in the process of growth after the property sector has bubbled with all the fake cities they've built, now its time to rig commodities and the exchanges telling people to buy stock lol http://www.forbes.com/sites/trangho/2...inas-stock-market-is-not-in-a-bubble/
While I agree that the place is kinda like the wild west regarding lots of things, I think it's silly to think that there's anything wrong with dog meat festivals. We have steak festivals all the time over here.
Just because we utilize them as domestic pets, doesn't mean other cultures should be forced to. Should we not eat beef because hindus don't? Same with pork and muslims?
You hear about their lake of toxic black sludge? Shit is crazy. I'd put up pics, but I cant on LP anymore for some reason.
Mind you, we (as consumers) are to blame for some of the environmental concerns as we continue to buy cellphones and all that other shit that's produced there. I'm amazed there hasn't been a huge public outcry against Apple about their horrible carbon footprint.
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NewbSaibot United States. Jul 07 2015 03:47. Posts 4944
I think it's safe to say that the animals the majority of the world consumes for food are designated as such due to degree of tastiness. Basically dogmeat sucks, or at least I assume it does. Same reason we eat chickens instead of vultures, tuna instead of jellyfish, etc. It's not just some cultural thing.
On July 07 2015 02:19 devon06atX wrote:
While I agree that the place is kinda like the wild west regarding lots of things, I think it's silly to think that there's anything wrong with dog meat festivals. We have steak festivals all the time over here.
Just because we utilize them as domestic pets, doesn't mean other cultures should be forced to. Should we not eat beef because hindus don't? Same with pork and muslims?
It's silly to think that we cannot even control our bloodthirsty habits and at least not kill and eat the one species that, because of its invaluable help and our relationship with them, was responsible (essential) for our evolution into Homo Sapiens, and who have been at the center of our lives ever since, proving to be arguably the most trusting and kind animal there is?
We don't 'utilize dogs as pets', they're our friends. Friends are not tools. A hunter, a trapper, a farmer, a soldier or a cop will utilize a dog.
The chinese who eat their dogs (a very small minority, most are against it) often eat their pet dog too, btw. That's the most revolting part about it; the dog trusts and loves a family who will cruelly break that bond for a mere short gustatory gratification.
The kind of moral relativism that you present here is childish and not really believable. I've never met anyone who actually thinks like that as a whole and without exceptions. I'd argue that what you did is defend a wrong by presenting a wrong. Just because it's widely accepted and enjoyed to eat all sorts of animals in the US doesn't make it not wrong (argumentum ad populum). Defining right and wrong by what is culturally acceptable or not obviously doesn't make any sense. Are you also going to defend the non-silliness of still-existing practices like genital mutilation, cannibalism and human sacrifice because some cultures partake in it? I seriously doubt it.
A more sensible way to get at it would be to say something like "something is wrong when it's unnecessarily and cruelly imposed on another being". Now we'd only have to judge whether the killing and eating of other sensitive sentient beings is necessary or not to find out if it is indeed undeniably ethically wrong. And if we want to keep eating meat, we don't have to be idiots or hypocrites about it. We can just hold the position that Sam Harris and many other people hold and say "it's ethically impossible to defend, but I just feel good doing it."
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It’s not just China. Emerging economies such as India, Indonesia, Russia, and Brazil are now major forces in global manufacturing. Manufacturing value added has doubled in real terms since 1990, from $5 trillion to $10 trillion today, and the share of that value added generated by large emerging economies has also nearly doubled, from 21 to 39 percent, over the past decade. The share of global foreign direct investment going to emerging and transitioning economies rose from 34 percent in 2007 to 50 percent in 2010 and to over 60 percent in 2013. The growth is just a foreshadowing. Between now and 2025, those regions together will grow 75 percent more rapidly than developed countries, and annual consumption in emerging economies will reach $30 trillion, accounting for almost half of the global total. By 2025, the economic center of gravity is expected to be back in Central Asia, just north of where it was in the year 1.
The pace and scale of forces at work are staggering. Britain took 154 years to double economic output per person, and it did so with a population (at the start) of nine million people. The United States achieved the same feat in fifty-three years, with a population (at the start) of ten million people. China and India have done it in only twelve and sixteen years, respectively, each with about 100 times as many people. In other words, this economic acceleration is roughly 10 times faster than the one triggered by Britain’s Industrial Revolution and is 300 times the scale—an economic force that is 3,000 times as large.
I look forward to the revolution in food industry that eliminates all animal cruelty and destruction, as well as increased habitat/water conservation.
Research into replacing animal proteins with plant based alternatives is a good example: http://www.hamptoncreek.com/
They have developed better plant based proteins that bind compounds similar to egg proteins. Everything I have seen, says they have been successful with their product to replace egg from many baking processes with equivalent results that egg proteins offer.
This is a massive revolution in eliminating animal farms, like that of chicken coups. It is document that the world produces 2.3 Trillion eggs a year. Eliminating that production will save resources on crops production that is presently needed to feed over 6 billion chickens. Reduced crop needs for chickens + reduced waste from chicken shit run off/feed will be an exceptional energy/water/habitat savings
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In the case of Hampton creek, they are using pea proteins and have reduced the cost of protein in food processes by 1/3, making it fiscally responsible for companies to switch from animal proteins to plant based proteins, not just for environmental conversation reasons. Every company will switch to products that save 33% with equivalent results
More advancements from plant based compounds is the future.
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@Loco's post. Comparing the barbaric practice of senseless genital mutilation on humans based on fucked up backwards beliefs to the eating of a "sensitive, sentient being" (dog) as an argument to my opinion is hilarious. I understand what you were trying to do, but that was just reaching.
And dogs aren't inherently loyal or kind to the human race. They're made that way by our feeding/attention/etc. Their reliance on us breeds their loyalty. Wild packs of dogs are bad news bears man.
I should state right now, before anyone gets any ideas, that I love dogs like crazy. I could never eat a dog because of how I, and my culture, values their relationship to people.
Clearly, Chinese people don't value them the same as us.
All I'm saying is that it's pretty elitist of us to think that what they're doing is any more wrong than us having pig and cow farms (I suppose you could make more of an argument about pigs, as they're way more intelligent... but that opens up a wholeeeeee other big ass debate that this has nothing to do with). In fact, perhaps what we're doing is more 'evil'. Do they have dog farms? I honestly don't know.
You say they eat their pet dogs. That's pretty fucked up, I agree. However, haven't you never heard of farms where the kids have 'pet pigs' and they eat them when their time comes? To think that practice doesn't exist in the 'morally superior west' is ignorant.
And yes, this clearly comes down to our culture placing our own beliefs on a superior level than theirs. That's all there is to it. And possibly a lack of beef/pig in China, who knows. I feel like I'm repeating myself here hah, I'll stop.
edit - I apologize if anything I said sounds even remotely offending or insulting. I respect your views on many things, but shit happens in haphazard posts hah.
@spugru - I'm sure you know as well as anyone the amount of bullshit media that's out there. I honestly have no idea how they prepare them.. I would have assumed they kill them first before doing anything else. I don't see how keeping a dog alive while skinning them could possibly enhance the taste of the meat - but it sure would make the preparation a pain in the ass. Actually, wtf? That's some robocop dog right there if they can survive being skinned and burned before being boiled. But again, I don't know. I'm sure if I really wanted I could dig up both the more 'humane' way of preparing a dog, and the more 'inhumane' way. Just as I could regarding the slaughtering of cows and pigs in the western world.
On July 07 2015 02:19 devon06atX wrote:
I think it's silly to think that there's anything wrong with dog meat festivals.
I read they skin, burn and boil the dogs alive. I'm no animal lover, but torturing them is just unnecessary.
yeah this is my big issue too. I have dogs and absolutely looove dogs and can't imagine ever eating one - but I don't really see how eating dog meat period is worse than eating most other animals. It's just that 1: the dog meat festival features a lot of dog torture (and to dog lovers, watching this is as revolting, if not more, than people-torture. ) 2: eating dog meat means that either you bred a dog for eating (pretty much bound to be torture by default - even more so than most animals bred for eating) or that you ate your pet or that you stole/bought someone's pet to eat.
Fact is though, if you went back a couple decades, it'd be fairly common in Norway for people to have rabbits as pets and food at the same time. not sure how different that is.
But either way; people in general are not that outraged by the chinese eating dog meat, period. But when pictures and videos come from a dog eating festival where dogs are skinned, burned and boiled alive, it invokes a completely different set of emotions, not necessarily that different from how people felt about the movies of IS burning people alive etc..
Had no idea the dog meat festivals involved torture...
Again, I just assumed they would prepare them the 'humane' way. If they really do involve deriving enjoyment from the pain of the animal, then yeah, fuck them.
People saying they wouldn't eat dog meat are detached from their meat eating reality. I would eat any type of animal that's nutritious and hasn't been abused. You're free to pick and choose which animals you would eat ethically or simply prefer. I wouldn't kill and eat my own pet dog except in some extremely dire circumstances i.e. starvation and would obviously prefer an honourable burial for my pet rather than consuming it if it was to die on its own. Even then, I may not eat it in seemingly hopeless situations where my pet could live on after my death and depending on our bond. Given the way dogs are abused in China, I wouldn't eat dog meat over there.
“Can you ethically defend eating meat?“
Yes, it provides calories and is nutritious. We need the rich and essential fat soluble vitamins, fatty acids, minerals and protein to thrive. The source matters too as you have more of an ethical freedom to eat well raised animals than you do those raised in suffering and misery as they're raised better and more nutritious with healthier fats. If you say we can survive without it therefore potentially at the cost of your health you choose not to eat it I say that's an unrealistic, immature and illogical position to even come from. It's in-line with people who think we can continue to overpopulate the earth and start to feed ourselves artificial meat. It's fundamentally a nutritional requirement and not an ethical question, although there are ethics to what you choose to eat. As mentioned, it's also delicious and very satisfying to eat, undeniably. We kill and consume it as other animals would kill to survive. That said, eating factory farmed meat isn't very defensible ethically barring e.g. starvation.
"It's unethical to delegate something that you wouldn't do for ethical reasons"
True and every meat eater needs to ask themselves if they could kill animals to eat them. I don't mean in the alarming delegated sense often depicted by vegans I.e. standing in a factory line slaughtering animal after animal – that's not you. You require e.g. 1 steak and some liver, not 20 cows. I mean killing just the one you need and then feeding both you and your family with the meat and organs. If you're willing to do that then there is no issue with delegating it. With our modern lifestyles it's unrealistic to expect everyone to have their own animals and mini farm. I think a lot of people are hypocrites here though and will lie to themselves, which is absolutely cancerous to our food production and general outlook as a society. Put yourself on a farm where you have to fend for yourself, without the cushion of modern food distribution and you'll quickly accept the slaughtering of animals.
In my opinion, we need to stop populating the earth further, reduce the size of our global population, maintain and improve environmental standards by reducing our burden on the earth and support farmers that are doing it right.
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Agreed with drone the whole "they are our friends"thing sounds more of a rationalization of a feeling than an actually objective an intelligent argument.
As far as I know pigs are smarter than dogs so its probably more cruel to eat them, but they arent as furry and pretty as dog so fuck them get in my belly!... I think its hypocritical to be against dog meat consumption and not Pigs, obviously the torture part is fucked up and should stop.
BTW I didnt know Sam Harris position on eating animals and I agree with them, its certainly a morally superior position to not eat animals, but I just cant give it up easily at all. I also think that the vast majority of people who claim to be vegetarians because of moral reasons never had a strong affinity with meat.
I know quite some veggies, mostly all of them I've talked with about it said that while it's definitely a choice they made for moral reasons, they thought it was easy because they weren't that fond of meat so it wasn't that big of a sacrifice for them. I also know some who said that while they used to like meat a lot before they turned vegetarian, now that they've been veggies for a couple years, it no longer appeals to them.
I think there's only one veggie I know who said that he thinks it's difficult sometimes because he really loves and sometimes craves steak and burgers.
So yeah baal, I agree that for most veggies it's just not that hard because they didn't love meat that much, but my experience is that they are totally upfront about this. I think I've only met one girl ever who had this whole, moral superiority complex about it, and she wasn't even a full vegetarian, would eat meat on a monthly or so basis.
From an athlete's perspective, I don't see how I could possibly consume the calories and nutrients from 0.5/1kg of meat I daily consume in any other way without severely affecting my performance. Even filling my energy requirements would be fucking hard.
On July 09 2015 11:15 Baalim wrote:
Agreed with drone the whole "they are our friends"thing sounds more of a rationalization of a feeling than an actually objective an intelligent argument.
Bullshit, the dog evolved/got bred alongside man as a companion/tool , not food.
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YoMeR United States. Jul 09 2015 23:34. Posts 12435
lol dogs are delicious if prepared properly.
you guys are missing out.
the argument that "dogs are our friend but other mammals the west eats aren't" is complete hypocrisy
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YoMeR United States. Jul 09 2015 23:35. Posts 12435
Although I do disagree with a lot of methods of slaughtering dogs in preparation for food...they do some very inhumane practices. That is what we should be rooting against. not the actual consumption of x animal
actually brambolius brings up a good point. The dog is like, the one animal to have really self-domesticated. (seems like the leading theory anyway.)
the theory basically goes, other domesticated animals were captured by humans then bred in captivity, but dogs evolved from wolves sometimes during the last ice age when humans were hunting large animals, either to assist during the hunt or scavenge after. Then the wolves that were less aggressive and fearful towards people would get more food from humans allowing them to help and thus get an evolutionary advantage and thus evolve into people-friendly wolves which eventually became dogs.
cats kinda self domesticated also but never left predatory habits and never grew equally fond of people. foxes have the same potential for people-friendliness, but people didn't have the same use for them, so it didn't happen. Kinda makes the dog an unique animal in the sense that our bond developed from mutual appreciation rather than us enslaving a species..
Dog eating is by far the least serious offense on this list.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jul 10 2015 21:55. Posts 2227
from what I understand eating breeds are different from pet breeds, and anyway it's probably nutritionally shit? I don't know much about it but I imagine dog meat would be a vestige of when people were poor as shit and had no food, like eating horse meat, which we ironically feed to dogs anyway
that's interesting drone, but also wouldn't the people-friendly wolves also get cannibalized by the other wolves?
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
I've eaten dog so many times during my childhood years, it tastes weird and smells like piss, and the meat is not really that great. its similar to goat that way. yeah dont eat dog lol
On July 09 2015 11:15 Baalim wrote:
Agreed with drone the whole "they are our friends"thing sounds more of a rationalization of a feeling than an actually objective an intelligent argument.
Bullshit, the dog evolved/got bred alongside man as a companion/tool , not food.
Reason dictats what is moral and immoral, in this case level of consciousness to inflict minimum pain, not stupid history
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So, people are like, dogs are humanity's friends and all that shit, but cows were also incredibly helpful in agricultural development of mankind as well. You'd use them to till the soil, you'd lend cows to neighbours so they can till the soil without breaking their backs all day. You couldn't just eat beef, cow was an incredibly valuable property. They're apparently a real pal too, and sentient. But no one cares about eating beef though, but the Hindu's.
Eventually we'll have lab grown meats and that should solve a lot of sensitivity issues. Even with lab grown meats, I suppose we would have demand for like the real stuff, and I hope simple economics would fix that. If you could have a premium prime rib at like $1/lb, would you really bother paying 10x that for the same. I guess some would. But not all of us are Scandinavian sicknasty poker players.
I often hear to achieve great things you just throw endless human suffering at it. I don't know how you can fix this. Maybe singularity is the answer.
when your at the top of the food chain you can eat whatever you want, except other people
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On July 12 2015 19:55 dogmeat wrote:
i'd eat every single one of you
this got me thinking, i have a friend who owns a pitbull, but he's really old so all his teeth are gone...i wonder if it would still hurt to get bitten by a dog like that, just from their jaw pressure and gums attacking you...it would be pretty horrifying anyway.
On July 12 2015 19:55 dogmeat wrote:
i'd eat every single one of you
this got me thinking, i have a friend who owns a pitbull, but he's really old so all his teeth are gone...i wonder if it would still hurt to get bitten by a dog like that, just from their jaw pressure and gums attacking you...it would be pretty horrifying anyway.
teeth mean nothing if captain ahab has taught us anything, but in this case since the dog is geriatric i wouldn't be too scared
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YoMeR United States. Jul 14 2015 06:22. Posts 12435
On July 12 2015 19:55 dogmeat wrote:
i'd eat out every single one of you
On July 10 2015 19:41 NeverFelted wrote:
Dog eating is by far the least serious offense on this list.
I would say allowing the torture of animals (dogs/cats) is much worse offense than banning any religious festival. (this case Ramadan)
VanDerMeyde, I would argue that religious oppression is a crime against humanity. No doubt that inhumane treatment of animals is cruel and horrifying, but singling out a religious minority breeds segregation and hate. As an American I strongly believe every human has a right to explore and practice their beliefs how ever they see fit, as long as they do no harm to others.
Maybe I feel that way as a libertarian and not an American. Unfortunately I dont feel represented by my country's execution of its policies often enough.
On July 10 2015 19:41 NeverFelted wrote:
Dog eating is by far the least serious offense on this list.
I would say allowing the torture of animals (dogs/cats) is much worse offense than banning any religious festival. (this case Ramadan)
VanDerMeyde, I would argue that religious oppression is a crime against humanity. No doubt that inhumane treatment of animals is cruel and horrifying, but singling out a religious minority breeds segregation and hate. As an American I strongly believe every human has a right to explore and practice their beliefs how ever they see fit, as long as they do no harm to others.
Maybe I feel that way as a libertarian and not an American. Unfortunately I dont feel represented by my country's execution of its policies often enough.
islam is a crime against humanity
ban baal
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Minsk United States. Jul 15 2015 20:59. Posts 1558
what exactly is humanity? Humans have been killing and oppressing each other since the beggining of time, and create this "humanity" idea, its cute and sad at the same time.
On July 10 2015 19:41 NeverFelted wrote:
Dog eating is by far the least serious offense on this list.
I would say allowing the torture of animals (dogs/cats) is much worse offense than banning any religious festival. (this case Ramadan)
VanDerMeyde, I would argue that religious oppression is a crime against humanity. No doubt that inhumane treatment of animals is cruel and horrifying, but singling out a religious minority breeds segregation and hate. As an American I strongly believe every human has a right to explore and practice their beliefs how ever they see fit, as long as they do no harm to others.
Maybe I feel that way as a libertarian and not an American. Unfortunately I dont feel represented by my country's execution of its policies often enough.
while gutter oil is real story, i belive some of whamms videos (fake rice one; fake egg looks dubious too; its vietnamese) to be basically just anti chinease propaganda.
Last video is guy trying to sell his book; yawn.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jul 29 2015 19:51. Posts 2227
I don't think plastic is cheaper than rice in any country so that'll be bullshit
The egg doesn't pass as an egg at all, like it's clearly not useful or edible as such, and like the rice video there's no context of it being sold by someone as an egg but turns out to be fake, it's just some guy in front of his gas range. In fact, they're probably just frozen white eggs if anything
The steam bun thing is funny but looks like it was just edited, like the fake cop at the end, and why would the person take a bite
I didn't watch the fake meat but one of the related vids was about meat glue, which is an actual issue that's interesting. so basically whamm if nothing made in China is real then that includes these videos
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
I'll try to look for more convincing videos, just got lazy ang took the first ones that popped out. The fake rice is actually real, and was sold in some parts of the Philippines and some were able to eat it. The fake stock market support is real of course, there's tons of videos including stephan molyneux and everybody in the stock market here is talking about it.
I'll try to look for better videos on the egg, meat ones haha
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