UFC FN 70: Machida vs Romero

On June 16 2015 01:40 PuertoRican wrote: Date: Saturday, June 27th Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 2): 5pm PST / 8pm EST Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 7pm PST / 10pm EST Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.) Main Card (Fox Sports 1) Middleweight Lyoto Machida vs. Yoel Romero Welterweight Santiago Ponzinibbio vs. Lorenz Larkin Middleweight Antônio Carlos Júnior vs. Eddie Gordon Middleweight Thiago Santos vs. Steve Bossé Featherweight Hacran Dias vs. Levan Makashvili Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 2) Welterweight Alex Oliveira vs. Joe Merritt Welterweight Leandro Silva vs. Lewis Gonzalez Welterweight Steve Montgomery vs. Tony Sims Bantamweight Danny Martinez vs. Sirwan Kakai

Sorry this sucks, just wanted to do one for Puerto Rican as he seemed a bit salty in the last thread

First impressions:

Machida v Romero - Really on the fence, vintage Machida should pick Romero apart and KO him rather tactfully, but I don't know if he's there anymore athletically and Romero, as long as he's still juiced to the gills, might find that chin and end things. I'm thinking about the under @ -105.

Larkin > Ponzinibbio - Larkin looked incredible in his 170 debut in dismantling John Howard who isn't bad. Ponzinibbio is a good striker and a good test, but I think Larkin passes with flying colors and I like him to make a run towards the top 5-10.

Carlos Jr. > Gordon - Seems like a great match-up for a 205 pd grappler moving down to 85 vs a pure boring wrestler with some power moving from 170 to 85. Interested to see weigh-ins and how they look. If they look how I think they might, I'll be looking to bet Carlos Jr.

Santos > Bosse - Haven't actually watched Bosse but from what I understand he's a hockey player who can fight like you'd think a good hockey fighter should, and I don't see that working vs a fairly seasoned striker in Santos

Dias > Makashvili - Dias is very good and well-rounded. Makashvili had a lot of hype going into his UFC debut vs an average fighter in Mark Eddiva, but just used his wrestling to win and was actually losing the striking exchanges. Interested to see if he can redeem.

Olivera > Merritt

Rest of the card looks deplorable, no opinions

I see that Dana wants Machida dead by this year

Already had this thread prepared, was just waiting for the UFC to confirm the 9th fight.

I won't bet the entire card, just 4-5 fights at most. The only bet I have thus far is Lewis Gonzalez +130 for 2 units.

On June 23 2015 04:31 whamm! wrote: I see that Dana wants Machida dead by this year

Why'd they book him against a guy who was getting worked by Brunson for 2 rounds before Brunson gassed, and kinda sorta got tko'd by Tim Kennedy.

I like Romero, he's a ridiculous athlete, But I think he is very hittable and has terrible fight IQ. He's also 38 and coming off a supposed knee injury where athletes usually get surgery but he opted out of. Dunno if thats legit or if he did that to dodged drug testing, but if he has to come off roids then he's in big trouble at 38 years old.

Hard to bet on this card : /. I just put a bet of half of my bank on Aldo at -117.

Date: Saturday, June 27th
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 2): 1:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 3:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)




Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

Lyoto Machida (22-6) vs. Yoel Romero (9-1) (Middleweight)
Santiago Ponzinibbio (19-2) vs. Lorenz Larkin (15-4) (Welterweight)
Antonio Carlos Junior (4-1) vs. Eddie Gordon (7-3) (Middleweight)
Thiago Santos (10-3) vs. Steve Bosse (10-1) (Middleweight)
Hacran Dias (22-3-1) vs. Levan Makashvili (7-1) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 2)

Alex Oliveira (11-2-1) vs. Joe Merritt (6-0) (Welterweight)
Leandro Silva (17-2-1) vs. Lewis Gonzalez (10-1) (Welterweight)
Steve Montgomery (8-2) vs. Tony Sims (9-2) (Welterweight)
Danny Martinez (16-6) vs. Sirwan Kakai (11-2) (Bantamweight)

Other

- The event was originally expected to be held at the Ginasio do Ibirapuera in Sao Paulo, Brazil. However on May 15, the event was moved to the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollywood, Florida.
- The fight card was also expected to feature the lightweight and bantamweight finals of The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 4. This was the first time a Ultimate Fighter Brazil Finale event would be held outside of Brazil. However, as the event approached, several international fighters experienced travel restrictions due to technical issues within the Bureau of Consular Affairs division of the U.S. State Department which produces travel visas. The issue lead to a major altering of the card as multiple fights were postponed or cancelled.
- The lightweight and bantamweight finals of The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 4, will now be contested on August 1, 2015 at UFC 190.
- A welterweight bout between Rick Story and Erick Silva was expected to serve as the main event. However, after the initial venue change, the bout was moved to a co-featured slot and the event will now be headlined by a middleweight bout between former UFC Light Heavyweight champion Lyoto Machida and Yoel Romero. Subsequently, Silva was pulled from the event as well with visa issues.
- A light heavyweight bout between Nikita Krylov and Marcos Rogerio de Lima was briefly linked to UFC Fight Night 69. However, the pairing was expected to take place at this event. Subsequently, the pairing was postponed again as de Lima faced visa issues.
- A featherweight bout between Rani Yahya and Masanori Kanehara also planned for the event was shifted to the UFC Fight Night 71 event on July 15, 2015.
- Chas Skelly was briefly linked to a bout with Hacran Dias at the event. However, Skelly was pulled from the card due to illness and replaced by Levan Makashvili.
- A welterweight bout between Viscardi Andrade and Andreas Stahl was scrapped as Stahl suffered an injury in the week leading up to the event.
- Original information on the 12 fighters who had visa issues and couldn't fight on this card: http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-Required-...djustments-To-Machida-Vs-Romero-Event

Feels like Machida is the gatekeeper of the division :D

I'm actually glad PuertoRican posted his version... i always use it when preparing my bets lol

Aldo injured his rib in training. The fight hasn't been canceled yet.

They won't have Conor face someone else on short notice, especially since this fight has so much money invested in it. Dana White already said this is the most expensive fight the UFC has ever promoted.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/6/23/..._ga=1.120945160.1416921331.1398874963

On June 23 2015 21:34 PuertoRican wrote: Aldo injured his rib in training. The fight hasn't been canceled yet. They won't have Conor face someone else on short notice, especially since this fight has so much money invested in it. Dana White already said this is the most expensive fight the UFC has ever promoted. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/6/23/..._ga=1.120945160.1416921331.1398874963

Yup. Have a room booked at the MGM... was so excited.... so butt-hurt.

Dana White tweeted "everybody relax" as if to say this isn't true, but it very clearly is.

Something smells fishy about this whole thing. I think he got injured a few days or weeks ago and now the news leaked. If he actually broke his rib today, the fight's off 100 percent.

If it was a while ago and is leaking now, the very fact that the info is out is what could kill the fight, because if McGregor knows about a broken rib that Aldo was going to try and conceal, that's 100 x worse from Aldo's camp's perspective.

Edit: If Aldo is really out, and Edgar replaces Aldo, I'll still go, if not, cancelling room.

Fuck this is wack...

95% sure its off and they are just going to push back the fight rather than have connor get crushed by a wrestler before they make their money. They had Lawler Mcdonald on this card as backup imo

On June 24 2015 00:38 traxamillion wrote: 95% sure its off and they are just going to push back the fight rather than have connor get crushed by a wrestler before they make their money. They had Lawler Mcdonald on this card as backup imo

A) You are probably right about them pushing it back

B) The Lawler McDonald fight was not on there just for backup (certainly that's always part of it) but was mainly there to build the Welterweight champion. With McGregor Aldo, this does 1 million buys. Without it, it does under 300k no matter who main events.

C) This whole wrestler narrative is too simplistic and has gone way too far IMO. Mendes or Edgar are tougher matchups for Conor because of the elite wrestling dimensions of their games, but also because they are ELITE mma fighters. Conor would OBLITERATE a Dennis Bermudez or Ricardo Lamas who are both fantastic wrestlers. Don't buy into the general public polarization narrative that Conor beats strikers but would get destroyed by a wrestler just because we haven't seen him grapple much. It's retarded.

On June 24 2015 00:35 traxamillion wrote: Fuck this is wack...

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Off of Chael Sonnen's Facebook page:

"Aldo hurt his rib, that we know. Is he out? We can only speculate, but why not. Speculation is fun.
Aldo is in on the PPV. He he gets a cut as long as he meets predetermined thresholds. The bad news for Aldo is that he has never met even the minimum threshold and thus has never gotten to participate in a back end bonus. This fight will generate a million buys which would convert to a bonus of roughly 3.5 million dollars.

So.... Hurt or not, will he make the walk?
When your injury reports surface on the web, it may not be an issue of Aldo being tough and gutting it out, it may be one an issue of the Commision stepping in and saying "no go." Whoever within his team leaked the training room information to the media, may have just cost Aldo 3.5 million dollars."

Chael called it, Commision is stepping in, although I doubt Aldo would've fought after it leaked anyway, and I doubt the UFC would have allowed it as well.

The fight will get made and he'll get paid anyway when it happens.

I'm so pissed, along with many others who planned to be there in person, but at least no tickets were purchased.

Also, the more I think about it, the more there is no way they give Edgar the fight.

Advantage Conor though, not good to be entering the USADA PED testing era, coming off another injury, getting older, probably can't train as hard as he can't risk another injury (ala Cain Valasquez), and just giving Conor more time to train.

Edit: Nate Diaz is talking all kinds of shit trying to get the fight. I would actually be extremely excited about that fight as a co main event. So much shit talking. So much to back it up. And another striker for Conor to theoretically beat although it would be a relatively tough fight for him, just putting more hype into the Aldo fight as long as it played out as it should. Huge risk though, fun fight to think about.

Bad luck UFC... bad luck
Was looking forward to that match

Who do you mean by getting older? Both guys are in their prime imo Aldo s 28 Conor s 26
Would be fun to see Nate Diaz vs Conor, don't think Diaz would stand a chance, but would be fun nevertheless

damn, looks like 80% of main events/title fights somebody is out due to injury lately
im pretty sure the injure ratio on title fights is way higher than normal fights

If Aldo is out, Conor vs Nate Diaz is the fight to make. There is no way they give the fight to Frankie so he can destroy all the hype by mopping the floor with Conor.

Nate Diaz on the other hand is still a relatively big name. The build up to the fight will be hilarious and Conor will probably destroy him in a showcase fight to create even more hype for his fight with Aldo.

T_________________________T....

Machida by decision at +308 seems like a good bet to me, what do you guys think?

On June 24 2015 01:05 soberstone wrote: C) This whole wrestler narrative is too simplistic and has gone way too far IMO. Mendes or Edgar are tougher matchups for Conor because of the elite wrestling dimensions of their games, but also because they are ELITE mma fighters. Conor would OBLITERATE a Dennis Bermudez or Ricardo Lamas who are both fantastic wrestlers. Don't buy into the general public polarization narrative that Conor beats strikers but would get destroyed by a wrestler just because we haven't seen him grapple much. It's retarded.

Well there is a reason we haven't seen him grapple much and that reason is that he has been fed the best stylistic match ups in the division to make him look spectacular. And I am not the one to cry about that, this is the way the fighting game works. When you have a fighter as marketable,charismatic and with such an exciting fighting style as McGregor you want to push him to the top and cash in before somebody exposes him. If the UFC matchmakers believed that Conor will obliterate Bermudez or Lamas, they would of booked him against any of them and not against Denis Siver.

I personally have no problem with that and I hope they book something like Conor - Diaz so he can rack in another impressive victory and then we can see him against Aldo, against whom he matches very well, and not put him against some boring wrestler who will hold him down and kill the momentum he generated.

Diaz mcgregor plz

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/25...es-fighting-conor-mcgregor-at-ufc-189

On June 24 2015 14:07 alejandicto wrote: T_________________________T.... Machida by decision at +308 seems like a good bet to me, what do you guys think?

I'm thinking o2.5 rounds -110, but still unsure who will win.

On June 24 2015 15:36 northsails wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2015 01:05 soberstone wrote: C) This whole wrestler narrative is too simplistic and has gone way too far IMO. Mendes or Edgar are tougher matchups for Conor because of the elite wrestling dimensions of their games, but also because they are ELITE mma fighters. Conor would OBLITERATE a Dennis Bermudez or Ricardo Lamas who are both fantastic wrestlers. Don't buy into the general public polarization narrative that Conor beats strikers but would get destroyed by a wrestler just because we haven't seen him grapple much. It's retarded. Well there is a reason we haven't seen him grapple much and that reason is that he has been fed the best stylistic match ups in the division to make him look spectacular. And I am not the one to cry about that, this is the way the fighting game works. When you have a fighter as marketable,charismatic and with such an exciting fighting style as McGregor you want to push him to the top and cash in before somebody exposes him. If the UFC matchmakers believed that Conor will obliterate Bermudez or Lamas, they would of booked him against any of them and not against Denis Siver. I personally have no problem with that and I hope they book something like Conor - Diaz so he can rack in another impressive victory and then we can see him against Aldo, against whom he matches very well, and not put him against some boring wrestler who will hold him down and kill the momentum he generated.

I agree to a degree - they certainly gave him the least risky path to a title shot and his wrestling hasn't been objectively tested, but at the same time, consider from a promotional standpoint that IF McGregor is to beat Aldo, he'll be a superstar (more-so than ever) - and than the next narrative, perhaps after a rematch, will be the whole 'can he fight a wrestler' one. That helps build the next fight since it's an untested aspect of his game.... can't you see the Joe Rogan promos already?

I'm fully confident with McGregor's length, movement, athleticism, size, learning curve, etc - that he would do just fine vs the top wrestlers in the division BESIDES Mendes or Edgar - those two are certainly a stretch. He's just not the type of guy you're gonna take down and HOLD down unless you have an other-worldy top game (Mendes, Edgar). Lamas has an awesome top game with a strong base, GnP, sub's, but I doubt he'd be able to get inside on Conor very much before getting starched, and Bermudez wouldn't be able to hold him down or get inside IMO. But I digress.

Let us not forget that when he tore his ACL and decided it was necessary, he took down Max Holloway at will. Not sure if his defensive wrestling chops match his offensive, but I'm sure he's decent there as well at a minimum. I really think in 5 years we'll look back and laugh at the whole 'he can't beat a wrestler' narrative and how it's taken on a life of its own.

On June 24 2015 14:07 alejandicto wrote: T_________________________T.... Machida by decision at +308 seems like a good bet to me, what do you guys think?

I think Machida is either going to starch Romero or get starched. If it does make it to a decision, that certainly favors Machida, but I don't like that line at all for a 5 round fight where either guy is liable to get KTFO at any time.

"In light of recent reports regarding the status of UFC featherweight champion Jose Aldo, UFC has received official medical confirmation from several doctors that Aldo did not suffer a broken rib. Following a review of the scans, it has been determined that the champion suffered a bone bruise to his rib and cartilage injury during training.

With this news, Aldo has expressed that he has every intention of facing Conor McGregor at UFC 189.

While Aldo has indicated that he will compete in Las Vegas on July 11, UFC has confirmed a contingency plan. No.1 featherweight contender Chad Mendes will face McGregor for the interim UFC featherweight championship in the event Aldo cannot compete.

UFC remains committed to delivering the featherweight and the welterweight championship fights at UFC 189 during UFC International Fight Week in Las Vegas."


http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-Statement-on-UFC-189

On June 25 2015 03:14 PuertoRican wrote: "In light of recent reports regarding the status of UFC featherweight champion Jose Aldo, UFC has received official medical confirmation from several doctors that Aldo did not suffer a broken rib. Following a review of the scans, it has been determined that the champion suffered a bone bruise to his rib and cartilage injury during training. With this news, Aldo has expressed that he has every intention of facing Conor McGregor at UFC 189. While Aldo has indicated that he will compete in Las Vegas on July 11, UFC has confirmed a contingency plan. No.1 featherweight contender Chad Mendes will face McGregor for the interim UFC featherweight championship in the event Aldo cannot compete. UFC remains committed to delivering the featherweight and the welterweight championship fights at UFC 189 during UFC International Fight Week in Las Vegas." http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-Statement-on-UFC-189

Shocked they are giving Mendes the opportunity over Edgar. That sits really poorly with me.

Regardless, stoked the fights still on.

I'm starting to get really confused at why Machida is favored 2:1 here. This is a fish line, all the fish are betting on Machida because hes well known.

Romero has a body that's on the level of a Rockhold, and not very much less skill. And his reaction speed, at least against the low level fighters hes fought, looks on the level of Anderson Silva. I think hes incredible actually, I wonder if they have the same teacher. I think hes going to plow through Machida like its nothing, unless he loses a mental leveling war and gets caught and KOed. I went back and forth on this, but I'm now I'm very confident that almost all of Machidas paths to victory involve a timing KO. or possibly a late round exaustion KO if he gasses easily.

And Machida is pretty tough, I could see him lasting 5 rounds. I really don't mind Romero by Decision at 8.0 -

I just saw the new matchups.They're really fucking dope. They have Ovince St.Preux vs Texeira, and Charles Olivera x Mex Hollowa.

My bets thus far:

Lewis Gonzalez +130 (2u)
Sirwan Kakai +120 (1u)
Bosse/Santos u1.5 +120 (1.5u)
Machida/Romero o2.5 -110 (2u)


Still don't have any idea about Machida/Romero. I haven't really thought much about it, I'm just watching the lines move for now. I'll decide who to take on Friday or Saturday.

: )

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/6/24/...ht-conor-mcgregor-will-go-on-mma-news

I have a big bet on Romero. You seen the guys traps? Guy reminds me of blanca in street fighter 1. Seems bigger, faster, stronger than machida.

Aldo a dog now on multiple bookies. I feel that the line will spread even more before fight night. If you want to bet Conor now is the time.

I have 2 big bets on Aldo at -125 and - 115 and not really happy how this situation unfolded. Aldo is in situation that he just can't withdraw, cause he is going to make more money from this fight, than all his previous combined and even if he loses he has a rematch coming in, where he is going to get paid big one more time. If he withdraws now and Mendes beats Conor all this money are gone. Bruised rib is a bitch though, I had it once and it is tough to do anything, let alone train. On the bright side in close to 3 weeks it should heal pretty well.

On to this card I think Machida has a slight edge but no way he should be that big of a favorite. Both fighters can be devastating on offence but are suspect when taking punishment, so maybe there is value in the u2.5 line.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Bylj-9vIcAABkP9.mp4

Romero's insane ankle pick takedown.

The UFC is most likely keeping everyone's hope alive that Aldo is still on the card, which means tickets and hotel rooms will still be sold. The UFC already said they have a backup plan of using Mendes vs. McGregor for the interim title.

I won't lay any money on Aldo until he weighs in, that way I know he's fighting.

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The UFC is using the small Octagon this weekend in Florida, per @BrianStann.

The last event with a small cage had 10 finishes out of 12 fights.

"PPVs and FOX cards will not have small cage

Only Fight Nights and TUF Finales will be candidates for the small cage


So whenever there is a fight night or TUF finale be prepared for the possibility of a small cage."

On June 25 2015 04:25 Minsk wrote: I'm starting to get really confused at why Machida is favored 2:1 here. This is a fish line, all the fish are betting on Machida because hes well known. Romero has a body that's on the level of a Rockhold, and not very much less skill. And his reaction speed, at least against the low level fighters hes fought, looks on the level of Anderson Silva. I think hes incredible actually, I wonder if they have the same teacher. I think hes going to plow through Machida like its nothing, unless he loses a mental leveling war and gets caught and KOed. I went back and forth on this, but I'm now I'm very confident that almost all of Machidas paths to victory involve a timing KO. or possibly a late round exaustion KO if he gasses easily. And Machida is pretty tough, I could see him lasting 5 rounds. I really don't mind Romero by Decision at 8.0 - I just saw the new matchups.They're really fucking dope. They have Ovince St.Preux vs Texeira, and Charles Olivera x Mex Hollowa.

Idk man, to me it was a clear romero bet, but i know some mma experts who say machida is an easy bet, i'm confused. I might avoid this one or bet small on romero.

They are using the small cage. Look for value on under lines and finish props.

Also, I think that favors Romero in his specific matchup with Machida.

Just placed the following bets:

Romero > Machida @ +165 - $40 to win $66
Romero/Machida U 2.5 rds @ -110 - $55 to win $50
Romero/Machida U 2.5 + Larkin Parlay @ +180 - $30 to win $53.91
Larkin + Carlos Jr Parlay @ +122 - $40 to win $49.45
Bosse/Santos U 1.5 rds @ +120 - $30 to win $36
Romera/Machida U 2.5 + Bosse/Santos U 1.5 + Larkin + Carlos Jr. Parlay @ +831 - $35 to win $293.73

Nice I like those, making similar bets once the props come out on bovada. Only thing is bovada doesn't allow over/unders or really any props I don't think into parlays

On June 25 2015 15:19 traxamillion wrote: I have a big bet on Romero. You seen the guys traps? Guy reminds me of blanca in street fighter 1. Seems bigger, faster, stronger than machida.

Definitely bigger/stronger and more explosive grappling. Definitely slower handspeed and footwork though.

Romero isn't technical with his striking, so he leaves a lot of openings, and Machida is a master of countering perfectly in devastating fashion and has great take down defense.

On paper, without the small cage and questions about Machida's durability at this point, the matchup does favor Machida.

However, the cage is small, Machida may very well be declining and is taking this fight weeks after being straight destroyed by Rockhold, so I think it's a dog or pass situation, I put a moderate bet on Romero but much more on the under 2.5.

Dope video

Added a bet to Romero +165 and another bet to Santos/Bosse u1.5 +120 cuz of the small cage.

On June 26 2015 01:21 PuertoRican wrote: Added a bet to Romero +165 and another bet to Santos/Bosse u1.5 +120 cuz of the small cage.

Smart man. I think the Bosse/Santos under is one of the better bets on the card.

Lines for 189 are out (5-Dimes Lines):


Featherweight José Aldo (c) (+115) vs. Conor McGregor (-135) over under 2.5 -120/-100
Welterweight Robbie Lawler (c) (+160) vs. Rory MacDonald (-185) over under 3.5 -170/+150
Featherweight Dennis Bermudez (-210) vs. Jeremy Stephens (+160) over under 2.5 -190/+150
Welterweight Gunnar Nelson (+125) vs. Brandon Thatch (-165) over under 1.5 -165/+125
Bantamweight Brad Pickett (+350) vs. Thomas Almeida (-530) over under 1.5 -165/+125
Welterweight Matt Brown (-180) vs. Tim Means (+150) over under 2.5 -125/-115
Welterweight Cathal Pendred (-150) vs. John Howard (+110) over under 2.5 -230/+170
Welterweight Mike Swick (+250) vs. Alex Garcia (-330) over under 1.5 -135/-105
Bantamweight Cody Garbrandt (-380) vs. Henry Briones (+260) over under 1.5 -165/+125
Flyweight Neil Seery (-105) vs. Louis Smolka (-135) over under 2.5 -230/+170
Lightweight Yosdenis Cedeno (-190) vs. Cody Pfister (+150) over under 2.5 -165/+125

Since it's such a massive card, I figure it's never too soon to get the dialogue going. I'm sure this will carry over to Rican's obligatory awesome thread.

Early Favorite Lines I Like:
Thomas Almeida (-530) - I think Picket is drawing dead to this killer.
Alex Garcia (-330) - Swick is completely washed up unless he convinces me otherwise and Garcia is a very good prospect who beat Neil Magny on 1 leg IMO.
Cody Garbrandt (-380) - Another high ceiling prospect vs a TUF Mexico guy? Rofl.
Connor McGregor (-135) - Pissed if the supposed injury sways the line a lot, I wanted to bet McGregor by KO pre-injury.

Early Dog Lines I Like:
John Howard (+110) - Pendred is terrible. We all know this. Howard is not great but should be way faster, has good wrestling, and should be able to just beat a low-risk boring beating on Pendred.
Jeremy Stevens (+160) - Lamas and Bermudez are both over-rated and Lamas beat Bermudez in the first round with a jab flash ko to a choke. Stephens hits way harder than Lamas, is a better striker than Bermudez, and should be able to stuff takedowns and/or get back up fairly easily.

Early Over's I Like:
Pendred v Howard o 2.5 (-230) - Like I said, low risk, boring picking apart of Pendred by the faster Howard.
Seery vs Smolka o 2.5 (-230) - Not dynamic finishing flyweights in a competitive fight? Easy money

Early Under's I Like:
Carbrandt/Briones u 1.5 (+125) - Briones gets smoked on the feet or subbed very quickly, completely outclassed
Means/Brown u 2.5 (-115) - This is tricky as both guys are good and durable but both are so offensive minded, aggressive, and have such good cardio that the chances of a finish don't decrease as the fight progresses at all unlike other fights
Almeida/Picket u 1.5 (+125) - Picket getting KO'd quickly
McGregor/Aldo u 2.5 (-100) - McGregor is going to set to attempt to set a very high pace early for multiple reasons.
A) he always does
B) he will be avoiding leg kicks through offensive pressure and getting inside Aldo's kicking range + Aldo throws kicks optimally at the end of combinations with his opponents retreating
C) test the 'injury',
D) potentially try and gas Aldo out
E) McGregor is obviously a supreme power puncher who thrives with his opponents back to the fence as he can then cut off angles with his kicking repitoure and fire inside punching combos comfortably with either hand from any angle
Aldo will do everything in his power to discourage McGregor from setting his pace early because if he doesn't he's screwed, which means not backing away from exchanges, which makes for fireworks and a high chance for a finish. Both of these gentlemen never lose rounds 1 or 2, and I doubt either will ease off the gas pedal.

On June 26 2015 02:12 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2015 01:21 PuertoRican wrote: Added a bet to Romero +165 and another bet to Santos/Bosse u1.5 +120 cuz of the small cage. Lines for 189 are out (5-Dimes Lines): Featherweight José Aldo (c) (+115) vs. Conor McGregor (-135) over under 2.5 -120/-100 Welterweight Robbie Lawler (c) (+160) vs. Rory MacDonald (-185) over under 3.5 -170/+150 Featherweight Dennis Bermudez (-210) vs. Jeremy Stephens (+160) over under 2.5 -190/+150 Welterweight Gunnar Nelson (+125) vs. Brandon Thatch (-165) over under 1.5 -165/+125 Bantamweight Brad Pickett (+350) vs. Thomas Almeida (-530) over under 1.5 -165/+125 Welterweight Matt Brown (-180) vs. Tim Means (+150) over under 2.5 -125/-115 Welterweight Cathal Pendred (-150) vs. John Howard (+110) over under 2.5 -230/+170 Welterweight Mike Swick (+250) vs. Alex Garcia (-330) over under 1.5 -135/-105 Bantamweight Cody Garbrandt (-380) vs. Henry Briones (+260) over under 1.5 -165/+125 Flyweight Neil Seery (-105) vs. Louis Smolka (-135) over under 2.5 -230/+170 Lightweight Yosdenis Cedeno (-190) vs. Cody Pfister (+150) over under 2.5 -165/+125

^ Opening lines.



^ Current lines.

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On June 26 2015 02:12 soberstone wrote: [QUOTE]On June 26 2015 01:21 PuertoRican wrote: Early Favorite Lines I Like: Thomas Almeida (-530) - I think Picket is drawing dead to this killer. Alex Garcia (-330) - Swick is completely washed up unless he convinces me otherwise and Garcia is a very good prospect who beat Neil Magny on 1 leg IMO. Cody Garbrandt (-380) - Another high ceiling prospect vs a TUF Mexico guy? Rofl. Connor McGregor (-135) - Pissed if the supposed injury sways the line a lot, I wanted to bet McGregor by KO pre-injury. Early Dog Lines I Like: John Howard (+110) - Pendred is terrible. We all know this. Howard is not great but should be way faster, has good wrestling, and should be able to just beat a low-risk boring beating on Pendred. Jeremy Stevens (+160) - Lamas and Bermudez are both over-rated and Lamas beat Bermudez in the first round with a jab flash ko to a choke. Stephens hits way harder than Lamas, is a better striker than Bermudez, and should be able to stuff takedowns and/or get back up fairly easily. Early Over's I Like: Pendred v Howard o 2.5 (-230) - Like I said, low risk, boring picking apart of Pendred by the faster Howard. Seery vs Smolka o 2.5 (-230) - Not dynamic finishing flyweights in a competitive fight? Easy money Early Under's I Like: Carbrandt/Briones u 1.5 (+125) - Briones gets smoked on the feet or subbed very quickly, completely outclassed Means/Brown u 2.5 (-115) - This is tricky as both guys are good and durable but both are so offensive minded, aggressive, and have such good cardio that the chances of a finish don't decrease as the fight progresses at all unlike other fights Almeida/Picket u 1.5 (+125) - Picket getting KO'd quickly McGregor/Aldo u 2.5 (-100) - McGregor is going to set to attempt to set a very high pace early for multiple reasons. A) he always does B) he will be avoiding leg kicks through offensive pressure and getting inside Aldo's kicking range + Aldo throws kicks optimally at the end of combinations with his opponents retreating C) test the 'injury', D) potentially try and gas Aldo out E) McGregor is obviously a supreme power puncher who thrives with his opponents back to the fence as he can then cut off angles with his kicking repitoure and fire inside punching combos comfortably with either hand from any angle Aldo will do everything in his power to discourage McGregor from setting his pace early because if he doesn't he's screwed, which means not backing away from exchanges, which makes for fireworks and a high chance for a finish. Both of these gentlemen never lose rounds 1 or 2, and I doubt either will ease off the gas pedal.

Love the Jeremy Stevens bet and I also like Doomsday vs Pendred line.

Thomas Almeida is a beast and this feels like a showcase fight for him, but he is still untested and the line now is too wide apart for me to consider betting him.

Robbie Lawler was at like + 200 a few days ago. A lot of value here. While I agree Rory is the better fighter, Lawler is a bad match up for him. He is a southpaw and that makes one of the best tools that Macdonald has in his arsenal - the jab, not really effective. Since their last fight, which was a close one and could of gone either way, Robbie had 2 title fights and one more 5 rounder against Matt Brown so experience is on his side. I am not really sure that Rory will be able to keep him on the outside and if he can't Lawler will beat him up.

I am on the McGregor train ever since he dismantled Max Holloway. However I believe Aldo should be substantial favorite against him. Although Conor is bigger figher and a better striker, I believe Aldo is the better athlete and has more power and speed. Conor stance means trouble for Aldo leg kicks, as being a southpaw and a very skilled striker it is easy to check the right low kick with the knee and that is Aldo's best kick. Still he can use left low kick to exploit Conor's wide stance. And the biggest problem for McGregor for me will be handling the power and the speed in the exchanges. He is getting hit and I am not sure he will be able to eat Aldo's shots like he ate Poirier's . Grappling advantage is all Aldo. Will wait for the weign-ins for this one and see how Aldo looks and if the line spreads out some more, I might lay some more cash on him. I already have 2 bets on Aldo.

Bellator 139 prelims: http://www.bellator.com/articles/prelimstream


Main Card (Spike TV)

Cheick Kongo vs. Alexander Volkov
David Rickels vs. John Alessio
Joe Schilling vs. Hisaki Kato
Pat Curran vs. Emmanuel Sanchez

Preliminary Card (Spike.com)

Derek Bohi vs. Frederick Brown
Aaron Ely vs. Jeimeson Saudino
Iony Razafiarison vs. Bryanna Fissori
Alex Huddleston vs. Javy Ayala
Daniel Gallemore vs. Augusto Sakai
Bubba Jenkins vs. Joe Wilk
Bobby Cooper vs. Pablo Villaseca
Greg Scott vs. Gaston Reyno

Initial Bets:
Romero > Machida @ +165 - $40 to win $66
Romero/Machida U 2.5 rds @ -110 - $55 to win $50
Romero/Machida U 2.5 + Larkin Parlay @ +180 - $30 to win $53.91
Larkin + Carlos Jr Parlay @ +122 - $40 to win $49.45
Bosse/Santos U 1.5 rds @ +120 - $30 to win $36
Romera/Machida U 2.5 + Bosse/Santos U 1.5 + Larkin + Carlos Jr. Parlay @ +831 - $35 to win $293.73

Added Today:
Romero via KO @ +228 - $20 to win $45.80
Larkin v Ponz u 2.5 @ +115 - $30 to win $34.50
Bosse by ko/tko/dq @ @ +285 - $10 to win $28.50
Machida wins in Round 3 @ +900 - $35 to win $315.00
Machida wins in Round 4 @ +1400 - $20 to win $280.00
Machida wins in Round 5 @ +2002 - $10 to win $200.20

And 2 bets for tonite just to make it interesting...

Kongo at +130 - $10 to win $13
Kongo/Volkal O 1.5 rds + Rickels > Alessio @ +141 - $10 to win $14.09

Bellator main card: http://live.realstreamunited.com/static/freepopups/29973306597970.html

WOW. Schilling was more than a 5:1 favorite and just got absolutely TOASTED.

I had the u1.5 rounds... Glad Kato finished him.


Misaki Kato KO's Joe Schilling (1): https://vine.co/v/eJZujmAI1lx
Misaki Kato KO's Joe Schilling (2): https://vine.co/v/eJZzOVYUKIW
Misaki Kato KO's Joe Schilling (3): https://vine.co/v/eJZa6Xg3j7h

One of the top knockouts of the year by far.

They better rule this a no contest and not kill my parlay or that is the worst beat of all time.

Not only is Rickels in the process of finishing, but the ref should have stepped in when Alessio essentially gave up and dropped down.

Good N/C. Excellent reffing.

Alessio had nothing for Rickels, and Rickels blew it...

On June 27 2015 02:20 PuertoRican wrote: Alessio had nothing for Rickels, and Rickels blew it...

Absolutely. Unbelievably idiotic.

Round 1: Kongo (2 minutes and 26 seconds on top for Kongo, plus the 2 take downs he used to keep it on the mat.)

Round 2: Kongo (Over 4 minutes of top control + 1 take down for Kongo.)

Round 3: Kongo (Over 4 minutes of top control + 2 take downs for Kongo.)


3-0 for Kongo.

Easy money.

Rest of it played out as predicated.

Easy money - correct. Wish I'd bet more on this card.

Glad I stayed far away from the fishline on Schilling, rofl.

Just added a few bucks on Yoel Romero by submission +3108.

I don't expect it to hit, but the line is so attractive.

xDDDDDDDD

Romero By Decision 8.0
Romero ML 2.7
Machida in Round 3 9.0
Machida in Round 4 12.0
Machida in Round 5 22.0
Hacran Dias ML
Larkin/Ponzonibio U2.5

Final bets:

Romero > Machida @ +165 - $40 to win $66
Romero/Machida U 2.5 rds @ -110 - $55 to win $50
Romero/Machida U 2.5 + Larkin Parlay @ +180 - $30 to win $53.91
Larkin + Carlos Jr Parlay @ +122 - $40 to win $49.45
Bosse/Santos U 1.5 rds @ +120 - $30 to win $36
Romera/Machida U 2.5 + Bosse/Santos U 1.5 + Larkin + Carlos Jr. Parlay @ +831 - $35 to win $293.73
Romero via KO @ +228 - $20 to win $45.80
Larkin v Ponz u 2.5 @ +115 - $30 to win $34.50
Bosse by ko/tko/dq @ @ +285 - $10 to win $28.50
Machida wins in Round 3 @ +900 - $35 to win $315.00
Machida wins in Round 4 @ +1400 - $20 to win $280.00
Machida wins in Round 5 @ +2002 - $10 to win $200.20
Larkin via ko/tko/dq @ +170 - $20 to win $34.00
Ponzonibio via ko/tko/dq @ +599 - $20 to win $119.60

On my way home. Just went to a BBQ competition.

UFC prelims start in 1 hour 30 minutes.

My bets pre-live betting:

+ Show Spoiler +

Some other guy just said this: "Just now on the UFC pre-fight show on Fox Sports 2 Rashad Evans said that he trained with Steve Bosse a while ago and that Bosse has no ground and that from what he heard he still hasn't gotten any better since then. So I added this prop: Thiago Santos wins by submission (+1100) $15.00 for $165.00."

I added a bet to Santos submission +990.

Followed you and bet on kakai lol

Nice performance from Kakai. He took round 3 off, though...

Why you think Gonzalez wins

I bet Gonzalez before he missed weight. I decided to keep my bet. If he's not sick or injured, then he'll win. I'll be ready to live bet after I see how he does in round 1. Also, if Silva doesn't clearly win round 1, he usually won't win the fight, since he gets worse after each round.

What a fucking KO by Simms after getting zapped hard by a knee. I enjoyed that.

Sweet KO by Sims.

Just added Silva submission +350 (.5u) as a hedge to my original bets on Gonzalez. Not sure why Gonzalez missed weight, especially since he is moving UP in weight for this fight...

If Gonzalez isn't sick/injured, I still expect him to win and for the fight to go Over 2.5 rounds.

Too bad Gonzalez gassed after round 1. He had nothing left, but Silva barely won, imo.

The scores were wrong, imo. I had it 29-28 for Silva. Two judges gave it 30-27 to Silva.

I put small bet on Gonzalez and bigger bet on over

Scared for machida

Hopefully the main card is more exciting than the Cowboy vs. Merritt fight.

Ya, now gooo Dias

These have been some of the most riduclously awful fights I've seen. When you put wrestlesrs into that small cage it just turns stupid as they cant do anythign to each other and just fight over who is trying to push the other one against the cage. That move should actually not be counted positively at alll......its a neutral move, but it looks like aggression and there is no escape. So fighters use it in key moments to try to steal rounds (if they win = takedown ++, if they lose equal aggression ++ or neutral). I'm not sure to the fix, but there has to be one as it kind of ruins the sport. The best fix I have is after 30seconds break them up or count it negative merit after they hold it too long.

Wow, he just stole that. I was sure he lost that.

Close one

I had it either a split-decision or 2-1 for Makashvili. Sucks for the Georgian, but I needed the win.

WOWWWW, I KNEW THAT SANTOS WAS REALLY GOOD, I'm tragically sad that I didn't believe in myself enough to bet on him in this fight.

Bosse probably had a seizure like when people get slammed on concrete in street fights.

Hopefully he's okay, but that headkick sounded like a baseball bat hitting a home run.

Sick kick to the face, but that doesn't mean he's good.

I think Makashvili he clearly won that, that stupid 30 year old child without a mind, he was just like a farmer or something, with a really sick triangle. He had no explosiveness, nothing nothing nothing, no speed change, couldnt punch or kick, a lot of strength from the farming, and some BJJ moves. Hes fucking awful actually in retrospect. But he won me a nice bet, so I feel compelexly good about it, althought I'm going to avoid him in the future. I actually thought he was experienced and good, and with super BJJ.

Santos is very good I feel. I saw that before the knockout, he has a lot of power and a tense body. That alone is yoo much for Bosse. I've never seen any leak in him either.

Truly the biggest leak I see in Santos is like the Brandon Thatch leak against how Ben Henderson beat him, that hes too straight forward and linear, which is already a huge compliment. And Santos has that to a lesser degree than Thatch.

They were saying hes in the Brazillian Paratroopers also which is very sriouos, and so most-likely has a sick very good mindset. You can kind of see it, but I didn't know that at all before.

I'm watching a snoirng solution commercial. I actually thought it might be a significant problem, and that I might need a snoring solution....then it struck me it was just a ridiculous commercial trying to push snoring masks.

Antonio Carlos Jr. is quality too. Put a 2 unit bet on him against "Trunk".

Sigh...

The past 3 fights have been stinkers...





^ On a side note...

Sick performance by Larkin. Easily FOTN.

Bet on over for main fight

If it goes past round 1, I'm gonna bet more, obviously. Here's my current bets (I got carried away):

Machida KO/TKO/DQ +130 (2u)
Yoel Romero +165 (2u)
Romero/Machida o2.5 -110 (2u)
Romero/Machida u2.5 -110 (3u)
Romero submission +3108 (.3u)
Romero/Machida ends in round 4 +1000 (.2u)
Romero/Machida ends in round 5 +1400 (.2u)
Romero wins in round 3 +1493 (.39u)
Over 1.5 -180 (3u)

Romero is awesome. I wonder how he trains to get that fluidity and reflexes.

Machida is done...

Glad I hit my Romero round 3 bet.

Machida KO/TKO/DQ +130 (2u)
Yoel Romero +165 (2u)
Romero/Machida o2.5 -110 (2u)
Romero/Machida u2.5 -110 (3u)
Romero submission +3108 (.3u)
Romero/Machida ends in round 4 +1000 (.2u)
Romero/Machida ends in round 5 +1400 (.2u)
Romero wins in round 3 +1493 (.39u)
Over 1.5 -180 (3u)
Romero +152 (1u)
Romero -170 (1.3u)

Insane. Machida so done.

Hit a lot tonight, came up 400 buckaroonies.

Damn poor machida, this guy is scary

I still think Machida is a top10 fighter, but it's pretty clear his time at the top 5 is gone. So I think he should retire considering his age and his irrelevance to the division now.

Yoel Romero just talked shit about all of the gay people in USA...

"Go for Jesus, not Gay Jesus."

Are you 100% sure he said and meant that? He just said "Jesus Cry" is the best in the world.

On June 28 2015 04:53 PuertoRican wrote: Yoel Romero just talked shit about all of the gay people in USA... "Go for Jesus, not Gay Jesus."

Did he really say that? Haha rofl this guy is hilarious

Been lovin me some Soldier of God since he entered the league

On June 28 2015 04:54 Raidern wrote: Are you 100% sure he said and meant that? He just said "Jesus Cry" is the best in the world.

Did you listen to the interview???

Romero opened up with saying how he has terrible English but he's trying to learn. Then says something like: hey UFC, hey Florida, hey USA... go for Jesus, not gay Jesus.

Edit: He spoke in English for the entire interview, not Spanish.


Anyway, 2 concussions for Machida in 70 days. Hopefully he retires.

LOL

Bookmaker: $62 profit (Lost so much in the beginning with a failed ML bet on somebody, plus an additional -$50 on a failed +3.5 line that I thought would hit for sure.)

DraftKings: $1.51 in profit. I would've cashed big if Machida won by knockout. I had 3 teams that already had over 300 points in them. Those teams ended up cashing, but for small amounts.

DraftOps: $91.26 in profit. I had one team with Romero, one team with Machida. Both teams had the same 4 guys that weren't in the main event.

Didn't play Kountermove this week.

On June 28 2015 04:58 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2015 04:54 Raidern wrote: Are you 100% sure he said and meant that? He just said "Jesus Cry" is the best in the world. Did you listen to the interview??? Romero opened up with saying how he has terrible English but he's trying to learn. Then says something like: hey UFC, hey Florida, hey USA... go for Jesus, not gay Jesus. Edit: He spoke in English for the entire interview, not Spanish. Anyway, 2 concussions for Machida in 70 days. Hopefully he retires.

Yea I meant he had just said that (jesus cry), not that he "only" said that, implying that his english is bad, thats why i asked if you were sure that he meant that lol

Romero wasn't definitely talking shit to the USA (even though he fought a brazillian?) I just didn't catch him bashing gays also. I totally believe it though I could barely understand a word he was saying

On June 28 2015 04:58 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2015 04:54 Raidern wrote: Are you 100% sure he said and meant that? He just said "Jesus Cry" is the best in the world. Did you listen to the interview??? Romero opened up with saying how he has terrible English but he's trying to learn. Then says something like: hey UFC, hey Florida, hey USA... go for Jesus, not gay Jesus. Edit: He spoke in English for the entire interview, not Spanish. Anyway, 2 concussions for Machida in 70 days. Hopefully he retires.

I actually thought he said "No forget Jesus" during the interview.

On June 28 2015 06:12 wongfeihung wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2015 04:58 PuertoRican wrote:   On June 28 2015 04:54 Raidern wrote: Are you 100% sure he said and meant that? He just said "Jesus Cry" is the best in the world. Did you listen to the interview??? Romero opened up with saying how he has terrible English but he's trying to learn. Then says something like: hey UFC, hey Florida, hey USA... go for Jesus, not gay Jesus. Edit: He spoke in English for the entire interview, not Spanish. Anyway, 2 concussions for Machida in 70 days. Hopefully he retires. I actually thought he said "No forget Jesus" during the interview.

He apologized for bashing gay people at the start of the post-fight press conference. Probably got told by his coaches to say something or else face the consequences from the UFC.

lol america legalizes gay marriage and this dummy bashes it on fox sports 1.. goooooood goin. Way to keep the ufc looking like ignorant dummys.

On June 28 2015 17:11 milkman wrote: lol america legalizes gay marriage and this dummy bashes it on fox sports 1.. goooooood goin. Way to keep the ufc looking like ignorant dummys.

Yah let's expect a guy who comes from fucking nothing in Cuba to be as socially progressive as us in the USA who only two days ago finally legalized gay marriage on a national level.

This is the kind of ignorance that polarizes everybody. Don't get too butthurt about it, he's just an awesome ignorant Cuban mega-athlete who reads the bible like it's today's news - pretty normal stuff. Not saying I agree with it, but don't be that idiot who thinks everyone in the world should automatically just 'get-it' overnight and that this somehow makes the UFC look 'ignorant' when someone exercises their right to express their opinion that you (and I) don't agree with.

For reference, here's our jobber President just a few years ago talking about how marriage just be reserved for a man and a women.



Just wait until one of the Muslims from the North Caucuses of Dagestan or Chechnia (Khabib Nurmogomedov, Rustam Khabilov, Levan Makesheveli, Rashid Magomedov, Adlan Amagov, Zubaira Tukhugov, Maribek Taisumov) gets on the mic and tells us how they really feel - a lot worse than not thinking gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry let me promise you. Being a 'moderate' in that area of the world means you simply think women should get whipped for showing some skin instead of thinking they should get stoned to death. And gay people? Rofl, your dead either way.

So in essence, this is a non-story and if anyone thinks a guy like Yoel Romero thought any differently than this prior to him saying it than they know absolutely nothing about the world in 2015 and live in a bubble.

Dam well said Jon, shutting it down

(Obama so full of shit)

On June 28 2015 19:31 traxamillion wrote: Dam well said Jon, shutting it down (Obama so full of shit)

TY

For the record also, came up $488.00 - thought it was only $400 but missed a couple that I hit.

Romero > Machida @ +165 - $40 to win $66 - WIN
Romero/Machida U 2.5 rds @ -110 - $55 to win $50 - WIN
Romero/Machida U 2.5 + Larkin Parlay @ +180 - $30 to win $53.91 - WIN
Larkin + Carlos Jr Parlay @ +122 - $40 to win $49.45 - WIN
Bosse/Santos U 1.5 rds @ +120 - $30 to win $36 - WIN
Romera/Machida U 2.5 + Bosse/Santos U 1.5 + Larkin + Carlos Jr. Parlay @ +831 - $35 to win $293.73 - WIN
Romero via KO @ +228 - $20 to win $45.80 - WIN
Larkin v Ponz u 2.5 @ +115 - $30 to win $34.50 - WIN
Bosse by ko/tko/dq @ @ +285 - $10 to win $28.50 - LOST
Machida wins in Round 3 @ +900 - $35 to win $315.00 - LOST
Machida wins in Round 4 @ +1400 - $20 to win $280.00 - LOST
Machida wins in Round 5 @ +2002 - $10 to win $200.20 - LOST
Larkin via ko/tko/dq @ +170 - $20 to win $34.00 - WIN
Ponzonibio via ko/tko/dq @ +599 - $20 to win $119.60 - LOST

YTD - +29.32 Units ($587.64)

Total Number of Bets - 152

Average Bet Size - 1.74 Units

ROI per Bet - $3.87 - .2 units

Couple Early Bets Placed for 189 Because I Think Odds Will Get Worse:

Stephens > Bermudez ML @ +160 - $50 to win $80
McDonald + Garcia + Garbrandt @ +160 - $60 to win $96.24
McGregor + McDonald + Garcia + Garbrandt @ +353 - $30 to win $105.98
McGregor + McDonald + Stephens + Garcia + Garbrandt @ +1079 - $10 to win $107.85

Really need to get on 5-dimes to beat the lines even better, could've gotten Garcia and Garbrandt at better and Almeida at -500 which I would have been completely comfortable with, but now that its skipped all the way up to -700 I'll pass.

If I can get up say 50 units, I'll split my roll between Bookmaker and 5dimes and try to start doing this right (early favorite action on 5 dimes, late action on Maker where the lines are usually a bit more competitive come fight time)