2/3 Live NL in AzCardRoom what do you think? - Page 2

And I think bet flop give up turn (not necessarily fold but start checking) is actually a pretty common line from this player pool with his value hands near but worse than us and even draws like j9 and shit.

Yeah Doomer, he lead into 3 other players on flop, and on turn I still have 1 person behind me to act. And the preflop raise size is werid. Sometimes 16 will thin it down, and sometimes 25 won't. But atleast with the bigger sizes you are bloating the pot with better hands. Funny thing is you could totally raise to a size based on your hand strength and the players wouldn't notice.

Ugh I thought it was 3way on the turn. I didn't realize button called too. To be fair I actually dont think button has us beat very often. But this guy leading into 4 people twice definitely makes this probably a fold without a solid read. Everything I said tough i think still applies to 3way on the turn.

Also the example of someone leading the turn with your range trax. isn't how things should be approached. Its how the field plays not how you play. The field does lots of things like donkbetting 1/3 pot. If i ever did it i wouldn't intend on folding to some random young kid raising me. But that doesn't mean other people are all doing it to induce. I'd agree with folding here 4way


---BUT if the button wasn't in this hand from the flop I'd probably just get it in vs his continue range 3way. Though the more I think about it. The more I realize you guys might have a point and that most people would be more pot control here on the turn with hands we beat. I think most of the time you could just peg which person they would be after not a long time playing with them tbh. If this guy has ever checkraised flop with like 88 on J high board, or JT or something to figure out where hes at or merged super hard for spaz value/bluff then I'd be getting it in. If hes shown some sort of pot control before with similar hand strength to what we need him to have then sure its a fold also obv.

I kind of changed the topic but I think most people already agree the 4way turn spot is a fold. so I just threw in the other part for a closer scenario

but why not reraise flop? you call 35 in a 137 pot on the flop and you have to defend your hand because its most of the times good on a raindbow T high flop, with reraising we get information also if you get calls its easier to give up i think, but the fact that its 4way and the preflop raise should be higher maybe makes its harder and even harder on turn and rivers, dunno im not a pro, just a thought.

shit I folded a set in a $1200 pot at 1/2 once, fish jammed the river on a A2346 runout. He turns over A4 and says "i had to shove, there was so much money out there". I quit playing for like 6 months after that lol.

Envoy I thought that raising flop might be ok too. That lead out bet might be a "where am I at" bet and I can retake control of action. Problem I think is 4 players are in. But i dunno. If I raise maybe I only get called by better hands and that is not a good scenario.