2/3 Live NL in AzCardRoom what do you think?

Starting stacks Sb has about 500 the rest of us around 300
2 limpers, I make it 16 to go with JJ in HJ. Btn/Sb/1limper calls.(4way)

Flop 6 8 T rainbow. Sb leads out for 35. Limper calls. I call. Btn calls.
Turn 4. sb leads out for 100. Limper folds.

What would you do here?

I dunno. It's live and for me I have never been in a 2/3 game where the sb would not be given off mad tells but with details given I would fold. 97s, TT, 88, 66, T8s, T8o, 97o have you CRUSHED. What is he bluffing with? Putting him on ATo feels like justification and rationalizing in this spot.

I don't really think I'd fold I would probably just call off here. There is a lot of money in the pot to just be giving up with no clue of what he has

agree with RIKD about the live reads playing a big part here. That limper probably folded a 10 so might use that to discount 10x further from SB's range (doubt he 2balls A10 multiway here; especially since it is so easy for every player with position on him to flat all better and all players have all the nuts in their ranges. There is value to be had vs J9 worse tens and some gutters/pair+gutter but I don't think most in this player pool go that thin for this sizing). Looks to me like SB is stacked or at a much smaller percentage bombing QJ/J9. Your fairly likely to have 0-5% equity maybe slightly better if he only has 2pair. What he does with Good 10s is important because if he does bet a10 k10 (and has the offsuit combos) you can peel turn but in my experience this is going to be unlikely here so you are just bluffcatching with your hand and since he does not have enough bluffs you can fold.

did turn bring a fd or did the board go 4 rainbow?

flop is closer to a fold than the turn is to a call. get out asap. adjustment should be to raise larger pre, everyone is calling as is

general rule of thumb is, in a multi-way pot and a coordinated board, 1 pair is usually not good.
but then again i have seen weirder stuff live before.

its not out of the question he does a feeler bet on the flop to see where he is with a 10. maybe also has a gutshot.
then there's the tell that most amateurs have the propensity to check raise their made hands and do feeler bets with marginal hands.
the caveat is that, some people are nitty and wait for made hands then bomb away with it.


which one is this player?

Thanks for the comments. I ended up folding. Then he ended up showing T9 for top pair with a gut shot. What I thought after the hand is that he donked out, and like one of you said. they usually check raise their good hands and donk to see where they are at. So maybe that action should lead me to a call. Tough spot.

On June 18 2015 23:14 Daut wrote: flop is closer to a fold than the turn is to a call. get out asap. adjustment should be to raise larger pre, everyone is calling as is

yea, red chip game right? 1/3 and 2/3 usually plays bigger than it should because of this. Throw out at least a dub pre, probably 25 though and more if you think you can get away with it

sick accidental bluff from villain. Can't just fold flop imo unless u know the guy or something.

Yeah, the accidental bluff. I see that a lot at these games. Like they don't know when they are valuebetting or bluffing. We have this one idiot. There is like 30 in the pot and dude bets 20 and he shoves all in for 300. Dude folds and he shows T8 on T67 board. Then he tells this girl next to him "I was playing the player" then says to me "I knew he couldn't call" and I'm like yeah, unless he had you beat.

cmon white house bring these people back online :/

f accidental bluffs one hand that haunts me from 1/2 live. I raise 5bb from mp with AJo and get 2 callers. flop is J68cc i bet 10bb villian 1 shoves for 50bb. I fold and he shows TT. beat myself up about that one for a while, the guy had been at my table for 3 hours so I should have had some reads

16 pre at 2/3 with 2 limpers already in seems way too low

On June 20 2015 14:21 Rinny wrote: f accidental bluffs one hand that haunts me from 1/2 live. I raise 5bb from mp with AJo and get 2 callers. flop is J68cc i bet 10bb villian 1 shoves for 50bb. I fold and he shows TT. beat myself up about that one for a while, the guy had been at my table for 3 hours so I should have had some reads

That hand is a snapcall rinny! He's actually not even representing only better hands, AJ is not a bluffcatcher there.

Yeah Cheddar I'm going to up my PFR amounts with limpers in.

i know im such a fucking nit i hate it.. I left out the worse part too... he was a middle aged asian male >_< . I only played 4nl - 10nl online and ive only logged like ~200 hours live so part of it is scared money which i think ill adjust to but part of it is I suck. better to be realize your shitty then be delusional i guess though lol

Ok so we started with 300? and pot is like 64 or something on the flop. he leads 35 one person flats and we called. Once i call here (which im not really folding vs almost anyone live) this is actually a great turn card. Id just ship it in we only have 251$ in our stack left. he has a lot of TJ AT spazzes. he plays enough of them like this to make it a shove imo. Id say vs 50% of people its pretty straight forward stackoff, vs 25% its close and maybe 25% at most its a fold. If you dont have any significant reads by this ponit id be willing to get it in. Id say most likely if we're beat its gonna be 2pair most of the time which we have 16% equity against or so. given potsize etc id be ok with stacking here. I mean really if we aren't calling off here Id be thinking our flop play very suspect. Unless we thought he was the type that nearly ALWAYS takes a potcontrol or giveup line on the turn when we're good and will only bet when we are losing. Then i could see some merit for calling flop and folding this turn. realistically though it seems we have no read so...

also by this turn we have to be winning about 33%+ of the time to breakeven I cant see a way we dont have 33%+ equity in this hand at this point given stacksizes and everything.

assuming I read all the stacksizes and betsizes correctly. he just lead out half pot on flop and then 65~% pot on turn and pot to stack ratio now is 1:1. I dont see how we're folding now.

guy led into 3 others on the flop on a very coordinated board, everyone called and he led again on the turn. not sure why we should expect him to be spazzing a high frequency. plus there is another guy left to act behind us who may have slowplayed for whatever reason or gotten there with some random dogshit like 47s. this is an easy fold and should not be a common situation because your raises should be large enough that the field thins more

Just saying doomer; if you took that line vs me (I'm villain in this hand ur hero) you would be losing money