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traxamillion   United States. Apr 11 2015 06:48. Posts 10468

Just have to post another example of a hand from this game tonight. I covered and got it ai vs 2 75 bb stacks.

UTG limps, I overlimp AKo, next to act makes a raise 40, 5 people call, when the action is back to me I just jam all in. 2 people call lol. First with QJ the second with J8o and I river an ace to ship the 250bb pot


traxamillion   United States. Apr 11 2015 06:52. Posts 10468

So limping and backraising and some non standard plays have some value in these odd 9 handed live games. Not like this shit really happens online


JohnnyBologna   United States. Apr 17 2015 21:26. Posts 1401

go with it. he could have JK or even JQ

Just do whats right 

traxamillion   United States. Apr 18 2015 01:41. Posts 10468


  On April 17 2015 20:26 JohnnyBologna wrote:
go with it. he could have JK or even JQ



Thanks, what he does with JK, QJ is kind of the crux here. I did call/call. Post results in a few days see if anyone else wants to post anything. Got 2 funny 1-1-2 hands I'll post in low stakes too when I have time.

 Last edit: 18/04/2015 01:42

traxamillion   United States. Apr 18 2015 23:22. Posts 10468

I got owned by KK


FullBRing   Philippines. Apr 23 2015 20:45. Posts 581

I think you should really reconsider the fact that you are playing scared money, 70bb plus over limp make this pretty obvious imo.


traxamillion   United States. Apr 24 2015 19:22. Posts 10468


  On April 23 2015 19:45 FullBRing wrote:
I think you should really reconsider the fact that you are playing scared money, 70bb plus over limp make this pretty obvious imo.



Lol thanks for the stellar advice bud


traxamillion   United States. Apr 24 2015 19:42. Posts 10468

I've been playing this game ten years and at this point I'm not even capable of playing scared money. I might be nitty when it comes to bankroll management, shots, and moving up, but once the money is on the table it's gone it isn't even money anymore just BBs. I've lost half my roll ripping off a bluff in a game 20x what I usually play. If you don't play much live poker I don't even expect you to understand my live posts because the hands just seems so bizarre. But 9 handed live games with 8 fish play much differently than tough online games. Exploitative strategies are best and sometimes those lines are completely different than what would normally be optimal in that spot.

The 1-1-2 kill game I grind is so soft that over hundreds of hours of play in the last year I've never even had a downswing of more than 300-350 big blinds. I've adapted a low variance value oriented game that rapes I don't need to 3bet light regularly to get action etc.

I limped AJ here which I've done in this spot probably this one time in my life for a specific reason. I made this post because I felt obligated strategically to call while feeling I was beat and wondering I he even shoves worse or if this is just the standard overpair/nada spot we all run into regularly.


hiems   United States. Apr 24 2015 21:09. Posts 2979


  On April 24 2015 18:42 traxamillion wrote:
I've lost half my roll ripping off a bluff in a game 20x what I usually play.



more of this story please. 20x so it must have been at least 10/20 right? and if theres a reason to take a shot like that there's a huge drooler which means you just wait for it for the most part...but then you bluff it off? what on earth? I feel like I am missing something.

I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img] 

traxamillion   United States. Apr 25 2015 08:31. Posts 10468

yea 10/20 was a long time ago. Guy said he would pay me $350 to sit.


traxamillion   United States. Apr 25 2015 08:38. Posts 10468

He was absolutely terrible had been playing me lower at 100nl hu. This was online not live. He sat 10/20 and challenged me to sit him; said he would transfer me i think it was $350 just to sit not sure might have been less like $200 but either way he didn't pay. Very early in the match I had J10 suited in a 3bet pot. I'm not sure exactly how the flop and turn action went but I played it weak only one bet went in. The pot was already a decent bit of money for me and I think this definitely influenced my decision; just didn't want to lose it. I overbet bluffed all in about 3x pot and pretty much got snapped off by top or 2nd pair mid kicker. lol


FullBRing   Philippines. Apr 25 2015 21:44. Posts 581

Well i do play quite a bit of live coz cant beat online games deheh and your lasts posts stress my points even more though. You are definitely enclined to play over roll, and i don't see any good reasons to not be full stack especially if table is full of fish and if you have 10y of experience.


traxamillion   United States. Apr 25 2015 23:19. Posts 10468

I covered villain had 70bb


FullBRing   Philippines. Apr 30 2015 11:05. Posts 581

But were you covering the whole table, and this i highly doubt it !


traxamillion   United States. May 01 2015 08:58. Posts 10468

No 100 min 500 max 3/5 game. Bought in for 5. Lol!


YoMeR   United States. May 07 2015 04:32. Posts 12435


  On April 10 2015 00:39 traxamillion wrote:
Can't really move down in live poker lol. And I didn't limp AJ cause I was scared lol I was about to make a move pre and bailed. Also limping AJ of course would lower variance it just might lower winrate too. And if your argument is that by not raising I lose a ton of value because the times I do raise I am likely to just take down the pot then you are wrong. I literally know UTG and he does not limp fold to one raise lol; maybe if I smash it to like 8-10bb but wtf? I could get with you if you are saying I lose value simply because my hand is stronger than their range and I want to raise for value and have them call with worse. There might have been up to 4 limps before me at least 3 including UTG and I fully agree raise is +ev and probably better than whatever I was trying to do but I wasn't taking it down with 3x +1 per limper. I also expressly wrote in the OP that I know pre is a raise and I don't care about that and want to have a useful discussion about the turn on.




Just cause I think it's funny. My boy Paul is 20bb shortstack exploiting the same game my hand took place in as I type this. UTG limps 5, 2 call, Paul makes it 35, UTG jams AK and mini-stacks him.

Just wrong to assume anyone limping is a 2006 donk limp/folding 50%+. Who does that anymore? Even among fish?



Just offering advice on lines which I think are bad/suboptimal. You come back with information withheld saying "utg never limp/folds etc" then we should be jacking this shit up even higher pf to value town the shit out of his weak limp/calling range and eliminated lighter parts of our iso range...

even if they fold less than 20% of the time here it becomes a clear raise. We should be limping behind with weaker hands like Axs or small pps and crush them postflop

eZ Life. 

traxamillion   United States. May 07 2015 06:22. Posts 10468

I was never even really trying to argue for or justify preflop; sure it is bad/awful. I was just giving you my reasons for doing it at the time but since I already knew it is bad I didn't want to focus on it. Probably won't happen again - maybe that makes discussing the rest of the hand useless since this exact spot won't happen again. But, I still think the postflop spots are similar to spots we do reasonably run into. Plus I'm just curious what you guys would do in my shoes having found yourself in this spot. That's all- not trying to say I played this well or should be doing this pre. I mean I'm not lying when I said I've limped AJ here once in my life as far as I can remember

 Last edit: 07/05/2015 06:25

traxamillion   United States. May 07 2015 18:51. Posts 10468

i got owned pretty hard limping this actually; had I just raised I most likely end up folding to 3bet and lose 25 instead of 375


pluzich   . May 20 2015 11:33. Posts 828


  On May 07 2015 17:51 traxamillion wrote:
i got owned pretty hard limping this actually; had I just raised I most likely end up folding to 3bet and lose 25 instead of 375



Given the info you posted about the way people play those things I think limping back some % of time with a hand like that is perfectly fine. Obv. when you raise it is easier to play.

I wouldn't call when he barrels on the river but I'm a fish

 Last edit: 20/05/2015 11:35

Ryan Neilly   United States. Aug 30 2015 03:02. Posts 1631

if u raise pre his hand will be more defined esp being oop he would have to 3b and u could fold, almost all poker mistakes come to preflop.


 
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