Oh I know. Let's take a tiny minority of cases and extrapolate it to the widest spectrum possible!
Just like debating religion with bible thumpers, this isn't a debate. It's a shouting contest cuz no one is willing to look at things from a different angle and possibly change their stance even when confronted with wildly accurate arguments.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Apr 12 2015 20:30. Posts 2226
On April 07 2015 21:43 uiCk wrote:
terrorism stems from poverty and specific social and economic conditions; period.
No, this is wrong, partly because you went way too far and partly because you're not actually saying anything.
Poverty, okay, sure poverty is a factor. What about all the places with with poverty and no terrorism, like the USA, like Mexico even as people tried to bait Baal with earlier. Sure Mexico has an awful cartel problem. Is that terrorism? I remind you that there are bad things in the world that we don't call terrorism. Gang violence, drug wars, crime, not really terrorism as anyone understands it. Terrorism is about creating fear - through violence - for political reasons. It's not just wherever there's poverty. Do you think maybe the ideology people get indoctrinated into from birth that says to behead nonbelievers during war and to kill people who leave the religion and views rape victims as adulterers - might also be a factor in terrorism?
And what do you mean, poverty? Do you think something like ISIL, or Al Qaeda, the Mumbai attacks, do you think this is cheap? Buying munitions, technology, training camps? What do you mean, poverty? Sure Joe suicide bomber is an uneducated, impressionable, poor (lower class) drone. What about the people pulling the strings? Osama Bin Laden wasn't wealthy? The heroin trade that finances this shit?
Even if it had no history of terrorism, do you think Islam would be a good ideology? Something to build a happy civilization on?
Since you wouldn't clarify what you are talking about with "specific social and economic conditions," even after dogmeat specifically asked you, what you are saying is about as insightful as "terrorism stems from poverty and the things that terrorism stems from."
When people point to, say, Christianity in Africa with the idea of like "So you think Islam is the only one that does x...? GOTCHA" it's missing the point.
If someone said "Look at all the suffering cancer causes and the people it kills" you wouldn't come in with some snark like "So heart attacks don't kill people? The problem is disease in general, not cancer." It's not adding anything. Christianity has no trouble behaving in the secular west right now. That's not obvious for Islam. It leans towards theocracy. And sectarian violence. How many secular success stories are there in the Muslim world, Turkey?
On April 12 2015 17:25 devon06atX wrote:
Just like debating religion with bible thumpers, this isn't a debate. It's a shouting contest cuz no one is willing to look at things from a different angle and possibly change their stance even when confronted with wildly accurate arguments.
...Indeed...
On April 12 2015 16:15 devon06atX wrote:
I don't have any figures or papers to draw this conclusion from, it's just my opinion.
On April 12 2015 16:15 devon06atX wrote:
But, I definitely believe Christianity (even today) is a far bigger scourge on society than Islam. All things considered.
So you want to talk about "all things considered" instead of specifically terrorism which was the previous subject. And by "society" I hope you're not just talking about your locale?
On April 12 2015 16:15 devon06atX wrote:
Every time anything terror-related happens, and it even remotely involves islamic extremists - it gets prime time media attention. Therefore, we (as viewers) get a skewed perception of what's really taking place.
I have a question, why is it when journalists get executed in a western country, so many Muslims think it's about them and not the dead people? NotAllMuslims? JeNeSuisCharlie? The media didn't do that. Were all those people "extremists" or are they not real Muslims - or then why is the hashtag NotAllMuslims instead of NotReallyMuslims.
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
