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Syllogism   New Zealand. Apr 02 2015 23:35. Posts 214

Kenya attack: Garissa University assault 'killed 147'

The number of people killed in an attack by al-Shabab Islamist militants on a university in north-eastern Kenya has risen to 147, Kenyan government officials say.

more here : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 03 2015 04:14. Posts 34246

In before media says that this has nothing to do with real islam

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Stat.Quo   Somalia. Apr 03 2015 16:33. Posts 1227

Baal is still a dumb mexican, only thing that has changed is, you don't use the word nigger in every other post


whamm!   Albania. Apr 03 2015 16:46. Posts 11625

I'm sure Hallah had nothing to do with this. You can't generalize when there's just a couple million bad apples amirite?
Awaiting dogmeat's reply. Let's get this thread rolling. lol

 Last edit: 03/04/2015 16:46

dogmeat   Czech Republic. Apr 03 2015 16:50. Posts 6374


  On April 03 2015 15:33 Stat.Quo wrote:
Baal is still a dumb mexican, only thing that has changed is, you don't use the word nigger in every other post

gtfo muslim scum

ban baalLast edit: 03/04/2015 16:51

lebowski   Greece. Apr 03 2015 17:30. Posts 9205

" a couple million bad apples "
I can imagine you rubbing your hands in excitement every time a muslim does something terrible...

Way to be retarded when a quarter of earth's population is islamic, al-Shabab who did this are about 7-8k in numbers and it's obvious that most muslims are nowhere near close to them in mentality.
Religion obv plays a big part for the extremists' actions, what I seriously don't get is what good it would be to polarize people into Islam vs anti Islam groups in the most sensationalist way. Would muslims stop being religious? Do you want all muslims to become radical so that we can start bombing everyone until there's none left?

I mean, explain to me if there is something to be gained by putting all the people in the same bag, then maybe we'll spread the hate words together.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslims-in-france-protest-against-extremism/

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Baalim   Mexico. Apr 04 2015 01:55. Posts 34246


  On April 03 2015 16:30 lebowski wrote:
" a couple million bad apples "
I can imagine you rubbing your hands in excitement every time a muslim does something terrible...

Way to be retarded when a quarter of earth's population is islamic, al-Shabab who did this are about 7-8k in numbers and it's obvious that most muslims are nowhere near close to them in mentality.
Religion obv plays a big part for the extremists' actions, what I seriously don't get is what good it would be to polarize people into Islam vs anti Islam groups in the most sensationalist way. Would muslims stop being religious? Do you want all muslims to become radical so that we can start bombing everyone until there's none left?

I mean, explain to me if there is something to be gained by putting all the people in the same bag, then maybe we'll spread the hate words together.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslims-in-france-protest-against-extremism/



Saying that all muslims are terrorists is just as harmful as saying these things have nothing to do with Islam.

It is a lie that its just a tiny minority that hold barbaric beliefs, for example"





So basically in many Islamic countries you see people who are for killing for apostasy, so its not a tiny minority tarnishing Islam its actually a big % of Muslims who hold dangerous and violent beliefs.

All religions are bad but in different degrees, an in todays world Islam is by far the most violent and destructive religion of all as Christianity was hundreds of years ago, and people are so scared to give some partial victory to your average racist redneck they will go as far as going on air with the typical true scottsman fallacy... " oh Isis are not real Muslims."


But about your question? what do we gain by denouncing these things? to expose Islam as the backwards and barbaric religion it is. Now you tell me what do we gain by passing a blind eye on it? Will they stop believing if nobody says shit about the things that its done in Allahs name?

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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 04 2015 02:09. Posts 34246

How do we stop people from believing in Islam and in other religions?

It simply cant be done in any near future, indoctrination and culture are simply stronger than reason, logic arguments simply fall into deaf ears however as technology, knowledge and thus society advance we are slowly crawling out intellectual infancy as species leaving religion behind, and sadly adopting another types of superstitions along but I suppose its just another step towards reason, but its something we nor many generations after us will witness.

But again, we gain nothing for ignoring the crimes of religion and men fooled by it, it must be exposed as it is, and not being afraid of fueling bigotry, bigotry is not stopped by lying, bigotry stops in the same way Islam stops... truth reason, knowledge and understanding.

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traxamillion   United States. Apr 04 2015 02:19. Posts 10468

I'm over even separating the good Islamists from the bad. It's a fundamentally dangerous and deluded belief and should be stopped. Fuck them


Santafairy   Korea (South). Apr 04 2015 02:45. Posts 2224

There's always an air of threat to saying things like "a quarter of earth's population is islamic" or "1.6 billion Muslims" isn't there. It's like "Careful, you don't want to say something bad about us - or else watch out"

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PuertoRican   United States. Apr 04 2015 02:58. Posts 13030

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YoMeR   United States. Apr 04 2015 03:35. Posts 12435

Baal what you're saying is like saying all mexicans are super dangerous and never to be trusted etcetc...too much cartel dmg everywhere. I can start posting "statistics" supporting my claim lulzzz

Using a tragedy like this to immediately jump on a hate train...I love LP

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whamm!   Albania. Apr 04 2015 05:17. Posts 11625

This guy explains it well. Hopefully he isn't beheaded soon

 Last edit: 04/04/2015 05:18

Baalim   Mexico. Apr 04 2015 06:14. Posts 34246


  On April 04 2015 02:35 YoMeR wrote:
Baal what you're saying is like saying all mexicans are super dangerous and never to be trusted etcetc...too much cartel dmg everywhere. I can start posting "statistics" supporting my claim lulzzz

Using a tragedy like this to immediately jump on a hate train...I love LP



Quote me when I have said something remotely like all Mexicans are dangerous, go ahead

I havent said that all muslims are dangerous what in the fuck... Ive said that a vast number of muslims especially the ones living in the middle east and south-east asia hold barbaric and violent beliefs in Sharia Law, like death penalty for apostacy, honour killings, stoning for adultery etc, this is a fact, not even an opinion.

Mostly theres two sides to this, the racist bigots and the apologists and nobody is being objective about it



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WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Apr 04 2015 06:16. Posts 1623


  On April 04 2015 02:35 YoMeR wrote:
Baal what you're saying is like saying all mexicans are super dangerous and never to be trusted etcetc...too much cartel dmg everywhere. I can start posting "statistics" supporting my claim lulzzz

Using a tragedy like this to immediately jump on a hate train...I love LP



No, it's completely different. The first thing you said is a straw man argument, acting like what he said is similar to making a racist comment. You are incorrect, what he said is NOT like saying something racist. Here's a more correct analogy:

The drug war is a bad idea at the root of the mexican cartel situation. I'm sure he criticizes that idea regularly. He also criticizes the ideas at the root of this tragedy, which is belief in islamic ideas.

Islamic ideas are also fucking terrible ideas. Go read about the ideas at the core of islam - those expressed in the foundational texts that link all muslims together. Do you agree that these are bad ideas?

Bad ideas should be criticized. Bad islamic ideas are being implemented all over the world, and people are suffering as a result. I generally don't want people to suffer, so I feel compelled to do something about it. A good first step in stopping implementation of a bad idea is to criticize it. Yes, criticizing an idea that someone has a strong belief in is upsetting to them. We need to weigh this negative consequence against the negative consequences of allowing the idea to be implemented. I think the answer to which one weighs more is pretty obvious. However, it seems like you disagree with me on the weighting....

Do you think we should stop criticizing terrible ideas that cause massive harm throughout humanity, such as the ones supporting the drug war, or the ones supporting jihad-inspired terrorist attacks or stoning of women because they were raped, or any of those other islamic ideas I linked earlier?


Oh, and for your second statement.... That's just plain idiocy. Exactly zero people jumped onto the hate train due to this tragedy. We've all been on the hate train, loooong before this tragedy. We hate bad ideas that have horrific consequences, and we always have. We tried to prevent this tragedy by criticizing the terrible ideas that result in tragedies like this. You, on the other hand, support the cultural norms (the taboo of criticizing religion) that prevent change for the better.


Baalim   Mexico. Apr 04 2015 11:45. Posts 34246

Actually terrorism isnt even a big issue to me, if you see the amounts of death is minimal, I would blindly guess that more people have been killed by the mexican drug war than in all terrorists attacks combined, but obviously the west is terrified of it, despise the fact its more likely they die slipping in their bathtubs.

I think it hurts mankind much more by holding progress back, by oppressing women, spreading ignorance, poverty and crooked values.

Seeing pictures of a prosperous middle east in the 70s and seeing a devastated wasteland now mostly because of religious fanaticism is why I dislike Islam (and in a lesser degree all other religions), it has absolutely nothing to do about hating other people, or hating another race or country, I am beyond such petty things tbh.

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WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Apr 04 2015 13:43. Posts 1623

Agreed with everything you said. Terrorism is pretty far down on the list of negatives inspired by religious ideas. It's just one with a more clear link to religion.

So many (ridiculously naive) people deny this link between terrorism and religion. It's even more difficult to convince them of the link between religion and "holding back progress" or poverty so I didn't bother going there.


lebowski   Greece. Apr 04 2015 15:32. Posts 9205


  On April 04 2015 00:55 Baalim wrote:
But about your question? what do we gain by denouncing these things? to expose Islam as the backwards and barbaric religion it is. Now you tell me what do we gain by passing a blind eye on it? Will they stop believing if nobody says shit about the things that its done in Allahs name?


Not a bad answer, except it was in regards to the wrong question. I didn't ask what the point of criticizing religion is, especially when it is barbaric etc etc.

First, 2 facts :

a) People who are religious aren't convinced by rational arguments, they have become religious for various reasons that you too mention in your consequent post and it's dumb to expect arguments to change their minds (try convincing people even over the stupidity of zodiac signs and you still probably fail)

b) There's a shit ton of religious people, yes muslims are a LOT of people and I don't mention that as a threat as someone suggested, it's a fact. These people are influenced by a religion that is indeed more barbaric than eg modern day christianity.

So here's what I ask:

How pragmatic is it to attack Islam as a religion overall and expect things to get better in regards to human relations?

Muslim people can either slowly see their religiousness become vague and meaningless (like Christianity has become) and fool themselves that the " real " dogma is about compassion, tolerance etc and slowly forget the war/death worshiping parts through the influence of modernity OR they can feel isolated and threatened by the western world, they can focus on the worst parts of their holy books and suddenly it will all be about west vs Islam; given the levels of stupidity still existent in the developed countries, it will all be about Christians vs Muslims in the end.

You see, what some media are doing when they say things like " this isn't the real Islam " ; etc, is trying to avoid muslim alienation in the west. They don't do that because they're saints, they realize the hazards of turning this into a religious war, or the Islam into a scapegoat religion; if they were lesser in numbers they'd probably join the hate train. On the other hand there are the right wing populists (in many countries in Europe) who try to exploit the barbaric aspects of Islam to gain power from redneck Christians voters. These people want to ascend the power ladder and they're prob ready to start a world war if that's what's going to take.

My eyes hurt when I see posts like ""I'm done separating the good Islamists from the bad"" or something of the sort. I have a good friend who's an atheist and his dad is a muslim who has been socially integrated for years. This is how progress is made: modernity waters down the stupid parts of the religion, the new generations are able to identify the stupidity and move away from it.

Criticism of Islam is good because it affects people who are ready to argue and use logic for such subjects, but the world doesn't consist of such people, by far.
There has to be a way that a religious world war doesn't explode on our faces and making a huge chunk of the world feel alienated certainly has to be the wrong thing to do. We can masturbate to our intellectual superiority and condemn everyone as dangerous brutes OR we can try to swing them to our side through social integration and cultural influence (obv I refer to moderate muslims, not extremists)

My opinion is that the pragmatic route is the second one. I might be influenced because the people who are the most anti Islam are usually acting like brainless fanatics, like they enjoy pointing fingers too much. I'll leave you with a quote from another thread

  On March 13 2015 00:05 whamm! wrote:
bisexual president is off putting. he should be shown slamming hot bitches left and right like a legit president - fuck this homoerotic PC bs being shoved in our faces each time they can "ruthless presidents can be gay" - NO they can't
I am waiting for the next wave of PC characters to be shown on TV shows - Islamic president of the U.S. "because they're not all bad"

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...Last edit: 04/04/2015 22:29

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Apr 04 2015 15:35. Posts 8646

LOL that quote

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TimDawg    United States. Apr 04 2015 18:30. Posts 10197

Baal is awesome in this thread

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