UFC 180: Werdum vs. Hunt - Page 2

Fair enough critique Balim, but I think you are underestimating Werdum's intelligence and ringsmanship and the fact that he will only throw the sloppy shit when he senses that it is safe. He won't be keeping his hands low and throwing those kind of combinations during the first round and a half. He will be throwing tight jabs and circling and clinching for a full 7 minutes. That's my prediction, time will tell. Than when he senses Hunt is gassed, he will open up a little bit, frusterate the Samoan, and grab a single, trip him and submit him in the 4th round via armbar. A nice detailed called, gotta respect that right?

Wow, Hunt is only 277 as of yesterday, thats actually a really good sign. The weight cut is going to be nothing.

Edit: But apparently looked like dog shit at open workout.

http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/fa...tired-at-ufc-180-open-workouts-111214

Wouldn't read too much into it as he's cutting weight and exhausted from that + training to get ready for altitude but it just backs the general narrative of the fight that I believe to be true.

On November 13 2014 12:54 soberstone wrote: Fair enough critique Balim, but I think you are underestimating Werdum's intelligence and ringsmanship and the fact that he will only throw the sloppy shit when he senses that it is safe. He won't be keeping his hands low and throwing those kind of combinations during the first round and a half. He will be throwing tight jabs and circling and clinching for a full 7 minutes. That's my prediction, time will tell. Than when he senses Hunt is gassed, he will open up a little bit, frusterate the Samoan, and grab a single, trip him and submit him in the 4th round via armbar. A nice detailed called, gotta respect that right?

Werdum doesnt voluntarily drop his hands, its just a bad habit from his chute boxe training, do you think Shogun voluntarily kept his hands low and plunged face first into St Preux? No simply thats his technically sloppy chute boxe aggro style.

And as I said unlike Wandy, Werdum doesnt always go wild, he can clam up and throw tighter jabs and uncommited 1-2s like he did with Overeem, but he isnt good while doing that plus Overeem was a one punch counter kind of guy afraid of his glass chin so Overeem ate jabs and didnt pour it on the claming Werdum unlike Hunt who can easily throw many punches to the clammed Werdum, so I dont think Werdum has any answers to Hunt on their feet.

The way Werdum beats Hunt is through exhaustion or submission and the best way to archive that is on the ground, the difference in striking between both of them is immense, people claiming Werdum can beat him even fresh are clueless. But dont get me wrong Werdum is obviously the favorite, Hunt isnt a good wrestler and is always heavy on his feet I dont think he can stops the eventual takedown even if Werdum isnt a good wrestler

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I thought Conor Mcgregor was supposed to fight in this event ..

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@ Baal, you're posting gifs of Werdum fighting a guy who is 6'7'', and a guy he completely embarrassed standing. Fighting a guy who is 6'7'' has almost nothing to do with fighting a guy who is 5'10''. Werdum won't need to be the guy closing the distance and pressuring like he is in the Gif's, he can choose to stay on the outside all day long.

If Werdums defense is so bad, why has he only ever really been hurt once, by JDS, who no one knew? His defense is very good. Also you seem to think Hunt is a very elite striker. He's pretty darn good, but he mostly relies on his big power, big chin. His head movement and counters are both darn good for a HW, but he's not a young Tysonesque monster who's gonna pressure Werdum, close the gap, and knock him out. Hunt usually lays back and tries to counter and knock you out. Perfectly style for a guy with a big reach advantage to out point. And don't even bring up Struve, who fights like he has Sean Sherks reach.

I think if Werdum implies lots of leg kicks, teeps, jabs, and straight rights and maintains distance he can easily out point hunt all night long on the feet.

Heck, even Nelson had a pretty good and close first round with Hunt IIRC.

Only way I see Werdum losing is if he tries to force a takedown that isn't there and Hunt catches him with an uppercut or hook on the inside.

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On November 14 2014 16:29 Stim_Abuser wrote: @ Baal, you're posting gifs of Werdum fighting a guy who is 6'7'', and a guy he completely embarrassed standing. Fighting a guy who is 6'7'' has almost nothing to do with fighting a guy who is 5'10''. Werdum won't need to be the guy closing the distance and pressuring like he is in the Gif's, he can choose to stay on the outside all day long. If Werdums defense is so bad, why has he only ever really been hurt once, by JDS, who no one knew? His defense is very good. Also you seem to think Hunt is a very elite striker. He's pretty darn good, but he mostly relies on his big power, big chin. His head movement and counters are both darn good for a HW, but he's not a young Tysonesque monster who's gonna pressure Werdum, close the gap, and knock him out. Hunt usually lays back and tries to counter and knock you out. Perfectly style for a guy with a big reach advantage to out point. And don't even bring up Struve, who fights like he has Sean Sherks reach. I think if Werdum implies lots of leg kicks, teeps, jabs, and straight rights and maintains distance he can easily out point hunt all night long on the feet. Heck, even Nelson had a pretty good and close first round with Hunt IIRC.

But again he isnt dropping his hands to close the distance and he doesnt keep his head in place because of it too, he simply has sloppy chute boxe technique, and yeah Mark Hunt is no striking god but he has gotten pretty good at setting up counters and thats exactly why I think its a bad matchup for Werdum and any chute boxe striker, Hunt doesnt need to close the distance, Werdum will do it for him.

Werdum hasnt been hurt because the only 3 good strikers he has fought lately are JDS (KOd), Overeem (clamed up and never opened up) and Fedor (got caught with a counter early on), and yeah he can fight cautiosly keeping distance throwing 1-2s like he did vs Overeem but those didnt even threat the glass chined giant, do you think those will do shit to Hunt? he will walk through them effortlessly to throw a bomb .

You mention leg kicks and I think Werdum should abuse them, Hunt is always so heavy on his legs and he rarely checks and since Hunt will never ever follow Werdum to the ground I think thats his best weapon by far on his feet

On November 14 2014 16:32 Stim_Abuser wrote: Only way I see Werdum losing is if he tries to force a takedown that isn't there and Hunt catches him with an uppercut or hook on the inside.

I see Werdum losing by many counterpunches the most likely a left hook countering his jab, I dont remember Werdum going for stubborn takedowns like ever, he always goes for trips or falls on his back

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Great first fight between Beltran and Vera.

Missed the first fight. Hearing it was a bad decision? Start of some home town judging maybe?

On November 15 2014 18:36 Stim_Abuser wrote: Missed the first fight. Hearing it was a bad decision?

Na. Not imo.

Vera had several close RnC attempts in round 1, but he couldn't finish. Beltran ended up winning that round imo, and also landed double the strikes. Round 2 was Beltran, and round 3 was Vera. Vera didn't have the killer instinct imo, and he kept losing control.

Also, Vera spent a lot of time during one of the rounds (maybe r1), where he kept going for triangles that failed. The big was, Vera is a brown belt in BJJ, but he has zero idea on how to get back to his feet when he's on his back.