UFC 180: Werdum vs. Hunt

Date: Saturday, November 15th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (PPV)

Fabricio Werdum (18-5-1) vs. Mark Hunt (10-8-1) (Interim UFC Heavyweight Championship)
Jake Ellenberger (29-8) vs. Kelvin Gastelum (9-0) (Welterweight)
Ricardo Lamas (14-3) vs. Dennis Bermudez (14-3) (Featherweight)
Augusto Montano (13-1) vs. Chris Heatherly (8-2) (Welterweight)
Edgar Garcia (14-3) vs. Hector Urbina (16-8-1) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Yair Rodriguez (3-1) vs. Leonardo Morales (4-0) (TUF Latin America Featherweight Final)
Alejandro Perez (14-5) vs. Jose Alberto Quinonez (3-1) (TUF Latin America Bantamweight Final)
Jessica Eye (10-2) vs. Leslie Smith (7-5-1) (Women's Bantamweight)
Gabriel Benitez (16-4) vs. Humberto Brown (4-4) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Enrique Briones (15-4-1) vs. Guido Cannetti (6-1) (Bantamweight)
Marco Beltran (5-3) vs. Marlon Vera (6-1-1) (Bantamweight)

Other

- The event was expected to be headlined by a UFC Heavyweight Championship bout between the current champion Cain Velasquez and top contender Fabrício Werdum. However, on October 21, it was announced that Velasquez was forced to pull out of the bout due to an injured knee and was replaced by Mark Hunt. That also changed the originally planned title fight into an interim title bout.
- Also featured on the card will be the featherweight and bantamweight finals of the inaugural installment of The Ultimate Fighter: Latin America.
- Norman Parke was expected to face Diego Sanchez at the event. However, Parke pulled out of the bout in early October citing a knee injury and was briefly replaced by Joe Lauzon. In turn, injuries to both Sanchez and Lauzon led to the pairing being scrapped altogether.
- Erik Perez was expected to face Marcus Brimage at the event. However, Perez pulled out of the bout due to a shoulder injury. In turn, Brimage was then pulled from the card as well and was subsequently matched up with Jumabieke Tuerxun at UFC Fight Night: Rockhold vs. Bisping.

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First impression of the match-ups:

• Werdum > Hunt (Rooting for Hunt.)
• Gastelum > Ellenberger
• Bermudez > Lamas
• Smith > Eye (Should be a close and competitive fight where Eye will look good in the first round, and then start to lose focus like usual and lose the next two rounds. If Eye loses the first round, she has no chance to win the fight since Smith has the better gas tank, non-stop pressure over 3 rounds, better BJJ, and better mental state. If Jessica Eye was able to fight her best in every fight without wilting, she would easily be the #3 woman at bantamweight, just behind the grapplers Rousey and Zingano. Smith is also a crowd-pleaser, and she will instantly win the crowd with her Diaz-like fighting style and attitude in the cage.)

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Werdum > Hunt - Cardio advantage will be as big as the Jitz advantage, and those are two MASSIVE gaps. After about 7 minutes he'll be the more effective striker too unless Mark rocks him early and he survives. Pretty sure anything below -400 is parlayable very profitably. Slightly rooting for Hunt but I like Werdum too and either guy gets mauled by a healthy Cain so w/e.

Gastelum > Ellenberger - Line seems right, wouldn't touch it. If Ellenberger looks better I gotta give big props to the Armenian coach in Glendale - Edmund, because Jake has really not improved in forever.

Bermudez > Lamas - Line seems right, wouldn't touch it

No clue about any of the shitty TUF fighters except that they are really awful and behind the curve

On November 11 2014 21:28 soberstone wrote: Eye > Smith - Rican probably knows these better but from what I've seen, I don't understand this. I only saw Leslie Smith fight on the show and my God she looked terrible, and I thought Eye beat Alexis Davis at a larger weight class.

Which show? TUF? Leslie Smith was never on a season of The Ultimate Fighter.

Its a shame for Hunt that the fight will be at over 2,000m of altitude, his already short tank wont last more than 1.5 rounds, that being said I think Hunt is a bad matchup for Werdum, he is too powerful and diverse for Werdum to ever let himself go loose on his feet, however if Werdum manages to take him down its all over, regardless if he submits Hunt or not, he simply wont have the cardio to do anything after a takedown.

On November 12 2014 00:02 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On November 11 2014 21:28 soberstone wrote: Eye > Smith - Rican probably knows these better but from what I've seen, I don't understand this. I only saw Leslie Smith fight on the show and my God she looked terrible, and I thought Eye beat Alexis Davis at a larger weight class. Which show? TUF? Leslie Smith was never on a season of The Ultimate Fighter.

Yup, I knew our assessments couldn't be so off. It was Lisa Ellis I was thinking of. No wonder. I thought Jessica Eye was moving down and fighting her, and I was like, wtf, Eye is gonna smash this bitch. Never mind that pick then, editing.

On November 12 2014 01:07 Baalim wrote: Its a shame for Hunt that the fight will be at over 2,000m of altitude, his already short tank wont last more than 1.5 rounds, that being said I think Hunt is a bad matchup for Werdum, he is too powerful and diverse for Werdum to ever let himself go loose on his feet, however if Werdum manages to take him down its all over, regardless if he submits Hunt or not, he simply wont have the cardio to do anything after a takedown.

I honestly think once Hunt gasses he we will be very exploitable on the feet. Werdum's striking is definitely not on Hunt's level, but once he gasses, if Werdum wants to pick him apart on the feet, I think he'll be able to without fear of getting KO'd. That said, ofcourse he'll try and get him down sub him, its just so hard to get that short fat ass to the ground if you can't get a hold of 1 of his legs.

On November 12 2014 01:07 Baalim wrote: Its a shame for Hunt that the fight will be at over 2,000m of altitude, his already short tank wont last more than 1.5 rounds, that being said I think Hunt is a bad matchup for Werdum, he is too powerful and diverse for Werdum to ever let himself go loose on his feet, however if Werdum manages to take him down its all over, regardless if he submits Hunt or not, he simply wont have the cardio to do anything after a takedown.

I think the reason why the lines are so much in Werdum's favor is because people expect him to win striking in the later rounds. Hunt had trouble striking with Bigfoot where Werdum didn't at all. This isn't about MMA math it's about a certain level of striking that Werdum possesses. Once fatigue sets in he can win the exchanges.

He can win them before fatigue sets in imo.

He's 6 inches taller and has developed a pretty darn good jab, has decent low kicks he can throw with impunity, has a very good straight right, and Hunto has to worry about the takedown.

Werdums striking has impressed me a lot lately. Only thing it lacks really is power.

I put a small bet on Hunt, he can win 1/3 here. Probably a losing bet but I wanna believe

On November 12 2014 14:05 Stim_Abuser wrote: He can win them before fatigue sets in imo. He's 6 inches taller and has developed a pretty darn good jab, has decent low kicks he can throw with impunity, has a very good straight right, and Hunto has to worry about the takedown. Werdums striking has impressed me a lot lately. Only thing it lacks really is power.

Agree in principle but I think Werdum will be smart and be all the way in or all the way out (certainly the jab is a huge part of that, just don't expect combinations or kicks early) for the first round+ until Hunt gasses and we really won't see a straight striking match either way until Hunt gasses. With a smart strategy it seems to lock a win for him, whereas he'd still probably win like you say if he decided to really put on a show. At some point tho, there will be bombs thrown, and breath will certainly be held. After about 6-7 minutes, Fabricio will pick him apart with the range and excellent striking, or take him down and sub him. Or he very well may just take him down early and sub him quick, but I wouldn't bet on that, because Hunt is very tough to get down and Fabricio has some slick trips but isn't a great wrestler.

WTF Werdum outstriking Hunt without fatigue? Let me remind you that Werdum trains chute boxe style, his striking is sloppy, wild and lacks any resemblance of defense, he has no head movement and he is easy to hit.

The only two good strikers Werdum has faced in the last years have been Overeem and Dos Santos and he lost both of those fights, he does very poorly against superior strikers that arent easy to take down.

I think that if Werdum doesnt manage to take Hunt to the ground he will be easily knocked out, that being said Hunt wont be hard to take down especially if he is tired.


Do this shit against Hunt and you are done:

On November 12 2014 12:52 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On November 12 2014 01:07 Baalim wrote: Its a shame for Hunt that the fight will be at over 2,000m of altitude, his already short tank wont last more than 1.5 rounds, that being said I think Hunt is a bad matchup for Werdum, he is too powerful and diverse for Werdum to ever let himself go loose on his feet, however if Werdum manages to take him down its all over, regardless if he submits Hunt or not, he simply wont have the cardio to do anything after a takedown. I think the reason why the lines are so much in Werdum's favor is because people expect him to win striking in the later rounds. Hunt had trouble striking with Bigfoot where Werdum didn't at all. This isn't about MMA math it's about a certain level of striking that Werdum possesses. Once fatigue sets in he can win the exchanges.

A big part of that was because Hunt broke his left hand, and instead of throwing his best punch, the counter left hook he had to throw some awkward elbows, and yeah I think everybody is aware that Hunt has shitty cardio and Werdum showed an insane cardio against Browne almost at Cains level.

The difference is that unlike Cain, Werdum cant force you easily to fight at his pace as we saw on his fight against Overeem

On November 12 2014 20:55 Baalim wrote: WTF Werdum outstriking Hunt without fatigue? Let me remind you that Werdum trains chute boxe style, his striking is sloppy, wild and lacks any resemblance of defense, he has no head movement and he is easy to hit. The only two good strikers Werdum has faced in the last years have been Overeem and Dos Santos and he lost both of those fights, he does very poorly against superior strikers that arent easy to take down. I think that if Werdum doesnt manage to take Hunt to the ground he will be easily knocked out, that being said Hunt wont be hard to take down especially if he is tired. Do this shit against Hunt and you are done:

Did you watch his fight with Travis Browne? Much, much improved striking. Browne was overrated coming into that fight but now he is being underrated due to what Fabricio did to him. Werdum barely even resembles the same striker he did back in the first JDS or Overeem fights. And obviously him getting wild vs Mike Russow and a battered Big Country doesn't look technical, but that's probably because he didn't need to be technical. I don't disagree though, Hunt is the superior striker in a vacuum, and has much more power, but all in all its just a case of a smart fight by Werdum can make Hunt look really bad in altitude on late notice. Werdum, with a conservative gameplan early, probably enters the danger zone a couple of times max where he loses his range and is open to the big hook or uppercut, and the probability that even a very good striker like Hunt times it perfectly and puts his lights out in those couple of instances is not all that great. Other than that he's drawing dead. He's not gonna have KO power past mid round 2, that I'd bet on (you never know).

Actually, looking at the lines, over 1 1/2 rounds at -120 seems like an amazing bet. Werdum will be conservative, do we really think the combination of him subbing Hunt in rd 1.5 or him getting KO'd in rd 1.5 is that big? I absolutely dont.

Yes I obv watched his fight vs Browne and his striking was very similar, what you saw was him being able to pour it on on a less dangerous opponent, if he fights aggressive like that against somebody like JDS or Reem he is going to get knocked out on the first sloppy flurry he tries, why do you think he only kept jabbing and throwing non-committing 1-2s at Reem?

The same applies to Hunt, if Werdum is stupid enough to open up and go chute boxe on him he isnt going to pass the 1st round.

Notice his left hand... look after jabbing its as low as his waist, he always kees his hand low after punches and has no head movement, if Brown had thrown a right hook it would have landed clean, (no idea why he is slipping with no intentions of countering wtf)





Look this other secuence where Werdum tries to overwhelm Browne, again, no head movement, hands low, puts BOTH of his hands at waist heigh to throw a kick in punching range and eats a left hook counter, literally the best punch Hunt has




I think people underestimate how easily Hunt would KO Werdum

God damn... That was really hard to watch, especially toward the end. Granted, he is in the middle of weight cutting, so he is easily annoyed + pissed off + family issues at home + general issues he deals with on a daily basis.

After seeing this video, I really hope he beats Werdum and gets a shot at the title. After losing to Cain, I'd like to see Hunt retire, that way his mind can be at peace. (He sounds like one of those people who takes their own life because the world is just too much to handle. Hopefully I'm wrong.)

poor dude, i hope he somehow converts that into strenght

That was a tough watch.

Fair enough critique Balim, but I think you are underestimating Werdum's intelligence and ringsmanship and the fact that he will only throw the sloppy shit when he senses that it is safe. He won't be keeping his hands low and throwing those kind of combinations during the first round and a half. He will be throwing tight jabs and circling and clinching for a full 7 minutes. That's my prediction, time will tell. Than when he senses Hunt is gassed, he will open up a little bit, frusterate the Samoan, and grab a single, trip him and submit him in the 4th round via armbar. A nice detailed called, gotta respect that right?

Wow, Hunt is only 277 as of yesterday, thats actually a really good sign. The weight cut is going to be nothing.

Edit: But apparently looked like dog shit at open workout.

http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/fa...tired-at-ufc-180-open-workouts-111214

Wouldn't read too much into it as he's cutting weight and exhausted from that + training to get ready for altitude but it just backs the general narrative of the fight that I believe to be true.

On November 13 2014 12:54 soberstone wrote: Fair enough critique Balim, but I think you are underestimating Werdum's intelligence and ringsmanship and the fact that he will only throw the sloppy shit when he senses that it is safe. He won't be keeping his hands low and throwing those kind of combinations during the first round and a half. He will be throwing tight jabs and circling and clinching for a full 7 minutes. That's my prediction, time will tell. Than when he senses Hunt is gassed, he will open up a little bit, frusterate the Samoan, and grab a single, trip him and submit him in the 4th round via armbar. A nice detailed called, gotta respect that right?

Werdum doesnt voluntarily drop his hands, its just a bad habit from his chute boxe training, do you think Shogun voluntarily kept his hands low and plunged face first into St Preux? No simply thats his technically sloppy chute boxe aggro style.

And as I said unlike Wandy, Werdum doesnt always go wild, he can clam up and throw tighter jabs and uncommited 1-2s like he did with Overeem, but he isnt good while doing that plus Overeem was a one punch counter kind of guy afraid of his glass chin so Overeem ate jabs and didnt pour it on the claming Werdum unlike Hunt who can easily throw many punches to the clammed Werdum, so I dont think Werdum has any answers to Hunt on their feet.

The way Werdum beats Hunt is through exhaustion or submission and the best way to archive that is on the ground, the difference in striking between both of them is immense, people claiming Werdum can beat him even fresh are clueless. But dont get me wrong Werdum is obviously the favorite, Hunt isnt a good wrestler and is always heavy on his feet I dont think he can stops the eventual takedown even if Werdum isnt a good wrestler

UFC 180 Judo Chop: Mark Hunt and The Samoan Shell

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I thought Conor Mcgregor was supposed to fight in this event ..

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@ Baal, you're posting gifs of Werdum fighting a guy who is 6'7'', and a guy he completely embarrassed standing. Fighting a guy who is 6'7'' has almost nothing to do with fighting a guy who is 5'10''. Werdum won't need to be the guy closing the distance and pressuring like he is in the Gif's, he can choose to stay on the outside all day long.

If Werdums defense is so bad, why has he only ever really been hurt once, by JDS, who no one knew? His defense is very good. Also you seem to think Hunt is a very elite striker. He's pretty darn good, but he mostly relies on his big power, big chin. His head movement and counters are both darn good for a HW, but he's not a young Tysonesque monster who's gonna pressure Werdum, close the gap, and knock him out. Hunt usually lays back and tries to counter and knock you out. Perfectly style for a guy with a big reach advantage to out point. And don't even bring up Struve, who fights like he has Sean Sherks reach.

I think if Werdum implies lots of leg kicks, teeps, jabs, and straight rights and maintains distance he can easily out point hunt all night long on the feet.

Heck, even Nelson had a pretty good and close first round with Hunt IIRC.

Only way I see Werdum losing is if he tries to force a takedown that isn't there and Hunt catches him with an uppercut or hook on the inside.

Mark Hunt (265) vs. Fabricio Werdum (232) – for interim heavyweight title
Jake Ellenberger (171) vs. Kelvin Gastelum (170)
Dennis Bermudez (146) vs. Ricardo Lamas (145)
Chris Heatherly (170) vs. Augusto Montano (169)
Edgar Garcia (170) vs. Hector Urbina (169)

PRELIMINARY CARD (FOX Sports 1, 8 p.m. ET)

Leonardo Morales (144) vs. Yair Rodriguez (145) – “TUF: Latin America” featherweight final
Alejandro Perez (135) vs. Jose Quinonez (135) – “TUF: Latin America” bantamweight final
Jessica Eye (134) vs. Leslie Smith (134)
Gabriel Benitez (145) vs. Humberto Brown (146)

PRELIMINARY CARD (UFC Fight Pass, 7 p.m. ET)

Henry Briones (134) vs. Guido Cannetti (135)
Marco Beltran (136) vs. Marlon Vera (135)

Also this is basically a tuf finale card with 3 goodt but not great fights on top.

On November 14 2014 16:29 Stim_Abuser wrote: @ Baal, you're posting gifs of Werdum fighting a guy who is 6'7'', and a guy he completely embarrassed standing. Fighting a guy who is 6'7'' has almost nothing to do with fighting a guy who is 5'10''. Werdum won't need to be the guy closing the distance and pressuring like he is in the Gif's, he can choose to stay on the outside all day long. If Werdums defense is so bad, why has he only ever really been hurt once, by JDS, who no one knew? His defense is very good. Also you seem to think Hunt is a very elite striker. He's pretty darn good, but he mostly relies on his big power, big chin. His head movement and counters are both darn good for a HW, but he's not a young Tysonesque monster who's gonna pressure Werdum, close the gap, and knock him out. Hunt usually lays back and tries to counter and knock you out. Perfectly style for a guy with a big reach advantage to out point. And don't even bring up Struve, who fights like he has Sean Sherks reach. I think if Werdum implies lots of leg kicks, teeps, jabs, and straight rights and maintains distance he can easily out point hunt all night long on the feet. Heck, even Nelson had a pretty good and close first round with Hunt IIRC.

But again he isnt dropping his hands to close the distance and he doesnt keep his head in place because of it too, he simply has sloppy chute boxe technique, and yeah Mark Hunt is no striking god but he has gotten pretty good at setting up counters and thats exactly why I think its a bad matchup for Werdum and any chute boxe striker, Hunt doesnt need to close the distance, Werdum will do it for him.

Werdum hasnt been hurt because the only 3 good strikers he has fought lately are JDS (KOd), Overeem (clamed up and never opened up) and Fedor (got caught with a counter early on), and yeah he can fight cautiosly keeping distance throwing 1-2s like he did vs Overeem but those didnt even threat the glass chined giant, do you think those will do shit to Hunt? he will walk through them effortlessly to throw a bomb .

You mention leg kicks and I think Werdum should abuse them, Hunt is always so heavy on his legs and he rarely checks and since Hunt will never ever follow Werdum to the ground I think thats his best weapon by far on his feet

On November 14 2014 16:32 Stim_Abuser wrote: Only way I see Werdum losing is if he tries to force a takedown that isn't there and Hunt catches him with an uppercut or hook on the inside.

I see Werdum losing by many counterpunches the most likely a left hook countering his jab, I dont remember Werdum going for stubborn takedowns like ever, he always goes for trips or falls on his back

Prelims start in 45 minutes.

Great first fight between Beltran and Vera.

Missed the first fight. Hearing it was a bad decision? Start of some home town judging maybe?

On November 15 2014 18:36 Stim_Abuser wrote: Missed the first fight. Hearing it was a bad decision?

Na. Not imo.

Vera had several close RnC attempts in round 1, but he couldn't finish. Beltran ended up winning that round imo, and also landed double the strikes. Round 2 was Beltran, and round 3 was Vera. Vera didn't have the killer instinct imo, and he kept losing control.

Also, Vera spent a lot of time during one of the rounds (maybe r1), where he kept going for triangles that failed. The big was, Vera is a brown belt in BJJ, but he has zero idea on how to get back to his feet when he's on his back.

FUCK YEA

Was really rooting for that tough bastard. That was great. Really rooting for the Mexicans to perform well and put on a show so MMA hopefully takes off there.

Enrique Briones, the bantamweight version of Fabio Maldonado.

Sick comeback by the Mexican~

It looks like Humberto Brown crapped his pants. There's a clear crap-stain in round 2.

damn that ear
no more weird stuff plz

Eye > ear

Alejandro Pérez vs. José Alberto Quiñónez = fucking joke of a fight.

What do you guys think U2.5 Gastellum vs Ellenburger @ 2.1 odds?

Nice win by Lamas.

Just got back home in time for the Gas Burger fight, yay :D

Not surprised Lamas won but pretty surprised he got an early finish.

This is gonna be fireworks I hope.

U 2.5 Gastellum vs Ellenberger was a really good bet. Also took O1.5 Werdum vs Hunt.

Berger is just a defeated fighter at this point. Not mentally there at all. Literally just sat there and let Kelvin take his back and choke him. Did nothing to stop it. Terrible.

Wow. Good stuff by Gastelum but Ellenberger just freezes in fights, its amazing. That was WAAAAYYYY too easy once he lost that scramble.

Gastelum vs Woodley please.

Fuck Werdum... He's gonna get his ass raped against Cain...

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That i did not expect...

A 2:40 Knee to the face.
How unlucky.

Pretty unbelievable stuff there. Werdum is a bad man.

And yes, he probably will get ass-raped by Cain, but who wouldn't? Mark Hunt? lol.

On November 15 2014 22:49 Minsk wrote: A 2:40 Knee to the face. How unlucky.

And yes, the over was clearly the right play. As expected, Werdum was playing very conservatively to wait until Hunt gassed, and he happens to land the perfect shot and finish 5 seconds before it cashed. Hunt did have him on skates a few times but if you've watched Werdum's fights, he intentionally drops and tries to play guard whenever he even gets mildly hurt in the 1st round.

See:

Fedor
Overeem
Browne
and now Hunt

No coincidence. May be gay. But very smart.

That wasnt unlucky at all, Werdum went for a takedown and Hunt srpawled a few secons after he faked the same takedown, Hunt ducked and Werdum landed a brilliant jumping knee, pretty amazing performance.

Hunt was breathing from his mouth just a minute after the fight started, it was an exciting fight, I saw it live and before the fight most people were on Werdums side but out of nowhere everybody was chanting for Hunt.


This shows exactly what I was saying Werdums striking has improved but its simply not good enough to stand with a world class striker, however he proved Hunt/Tyson wrong about the "everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face", he got punched in the face and still set-up a highlight reel flying knee KO

Werdum has a pretty solid chin, that shot would have KOd most people:




Beautiful knee set-up:

On November 16 2014 21:55 Baalim wrote: That wasnt unlucky at all, Werdum went for a takedown and Hunt srpawled a few secons after he faked the same takedown, Hunt ducked and Werdum landed a brilliant jumping knee, pretty amazing performance. Hunt was breathing from his mouth just a minute after the fight started, it was an exciting fight, I saw it live and before the fight most people were on Werdums side but out of nowhere everybody was chanting for Hunt. This shows exactly what I was saying Werdums striking has improved but its simply not good enough to stand with a world class striker, however he proved Hunt/Tyson wrong about the "everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face", he got punched in the face and still set-up a highlight reel flying knee KO

I'd interpret Tysons quote as Tyson himself punching someone on the mouth. Regardless, that setup was sweet, got into his head and 2nd leveled him. Good tactics.

?? That quote is just trying to say that after being hit in the face people panic and get foggy and game plans go out the window.

It wasn't unlucky that he landed a flying knee KO, that was masterfully done. It was unlucky that it happened 10 seconds before the O1.5 cashed.