UFC 179: Aldo vs. Mendes 2 - Page 4

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On October 26 2014 01:11 Daut wrote: easily among the highest skilled fights ever. aldo > anderson, mendes > weidman. no fight ever had 2 guys that good facing each other. only other fights that are close are aldo/edgar and maybe dillashaw/barao. maybe demetrious/benavidez or cruz/benavidez, but i pick this over all of those. as for FOTY, its the best i remember. there were some good ones like silva/brown, but this was just such a higher level of fighting. i dont think it deserves to be in the best fight of all time category or anything, but that was really great stuff.

I really liked Lawler vs Hendricks but maybe that's just me hehe... (I think this was better tho, just that it's on my list of favorite fights this year).

And yeah, Aldo's upperbody movement is so insane. So good for defense and so great for generating power.

yea i loved hendricks/lawler, just have this as #1 currently.

i didnt compile a list and thoroughly rank the fights, but peeking at some of the FOTN winners, my list would be:
1: mendes/aldo
2: lawler/hendricks
3: silva/brown
4: swanson/stephens
5: lawler/brown
6: romero/kennedy
7: weidman/machida

i havent been wow'ed by many shorter fights. i also did miss a few smaller cards and didnt see anything from bellator/ONE/etc that jumped out. im sure PR/others can add some fights i forgot or missed to this list, but from what ive seen aldo/mendes is FOTY so far

On October 26 2014 11:13 Daut wrote: yea i loved hendricks/lawler, just have this as #1 currently. i didnt compile a list and thoroughly rank the fights, but peeking at some of the FOTN winners, my list would be: 1: mendes/aldo 2: lawler/hendricks 3: silva/brown 4: swanson/stephens 5: lawler/brown 6: romero/kennedy 7: weidman/machida i havent been wow'ed by many shorter fights. i also did miss a few smaller cards and didnt see anything from bellator/ONE/etc that jumped out. im sure PR/others can add some fights i forgot or missed to this list, but from what ive seen aldo/mendes is FOTY so far

Machida/Weidman is in your top fight-list? The only thing that made that an interesting fight was when Machida had a good 4th round, otherwise it would have been a complete sweep for Weidman and his jab + low leg kicks.

Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson, aka the best Light Heavyweight fight of all-time, doesn't make your list? It's top 3 of my all-time favorite/technical/skilled/blah blah blah fights in the UFC.

jones vs gustafsson was in 2013

ITT people dont know how to read a calendar

great fight and its very promising that Aldo didnt cruise in the last rounds he was actually taking unnecessary risks wanting to just brawl in the last seconds of the last round to put on a show which was exactly what he was lacking

Aldo isn't going away anytime soon.

Aldo vs. McGregor won't be great, imo.

While both guys like to counter a lot, Aldo will be able to use a lot of kicks versus McGregor. Aldo picks you apart if he sees you just waiting around, and I don't expect McGregor to be in Aldo's face during the first 2 rounds like Mendes was (Mendes is the only person to challenge Aldo in the UFC, the others were too cautious). The speed and power of Aldo will be an issue, and Aldo can probably get a take down at some point after the 2nd round.

I wouldn't be surprised if Aldo is prepared for McGregor's opening kick that he always does. It's usually some type of spinning kick, and he's done it in almost all his recent fights.

On October 26 2014 01:11 Daut wrote: aldo > anderson, mendes > weidman.

really?

The judges scored it 4-1 Aldo but I thought it was a pretty clear 2-2 going into the 5th, and Aldo looked a lot better in the 5th than he ever has. Fantastic fight, I think it was very similar to Hendricks vs Lawler as well as Weidman vs Lyoto in terms of skill level and fight dynamic, as well as FOTY possibility. My favorite was Weidman vs Machida.

Also, McGregor has a much better chance vs Aldo then anyone wants to admit just because the hype is so large and no-one wants not fully invested in the hype wants to believe it actually has merit. If its a straight up striking match I think it would be very close but its actually a fight where I could see Aldo taking him down like he did against KZ and perhaps submitting him depending on how McGregors grappling chops are (as we have no real idea). In a straight striking match, McGregor poses different problems than Chad but has a lot of power (maybe not as much as Chad, but definitely more than most at FW), amazing precision, explosion, movement, 8-point striking etc. He's a beast.

On October 26 2014 23:51 ilbh wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2014 01:11 Daut wrote: aldo > anderson, mendes > weidman. really?

i think so.

what anderson does well, he is the best at. figuring out an opponents striking weaknesses and how to best attack them. but from a pure skill standpoint, aldo is probably a better striker, a better offensive wrestler, a better defensive wrestler and better on the ground.

mendes and weidman are pretty similar. but mendes has better cardio, better wrestling, faster, not as good of a grappler but pretty similar elsewhere. he is really fucking good. weidman is too, but carrying an extra 50 pounds makes you slow and less athletic.

its mostly a byproduct of the lighter divisions having better fighters/athletes, but regardless i think aldo is a better fighter than anderson and mendes is a better fighter than weidman.

Agree on everything except with Aldo being a better striker than Anderson, I think Aldo is very fast and powerful but his punches are wild and is technically inferior to Anderson

i think most of that has to do with style and physical gifts. anderson isnt a highly active striker and picks his spots for the perfect strikes. he also may have the best reflexes/hand eye coordination of anyone in MMA so hes able to dodge strikes that others cant and is extremely accurate. but aldo can really pour it on in a way anderson often cant. so each has his advantages.

i still think i prefer aldo, i think he has better overall kicks, more potent hands, and despite not having andersons reflexes doesnt give up much in the way of defense (its not like anderson is Neo and never gets hit). not to mention he doesnt have to give up as much edge in his striking order to prevent takedowns. hes much better at stopping takedowns and at getting back up.

Agree with Aldo > Silva for sure, but no way Mendes > Weidman.

At this point Weidman has dominated two of the very best strikers in this sports history standing, is probably the very best MMA wrestler in the division out wrestling Machida easier than Phil Davis did, and probably has the 2nd best BJJ in his division. His striking is much more well rounded. Threw a ton of kicks against Machida and has very good elbows too. Rocked Machida with one in the 5th and killed Munoz with one as well.

Mendes is definitely a better athlete than Weidman, but Weidman is way more skilled. Better striking and BJJ than Mendes by a fair amount.

Pretty surprised with Phil Davis handling Glover so easily. But I guess we've never seen Glover fight any elite competition, prior to Jones the best fighter he faced was Bader who did really good against him until he got stupid and started brawling.

What the fuck. You guys are comparing bubble gum to car tires. You cant compare a 145 pound fighter to a 195 pound fighter with completely different styles like that.

I'd take a 185 pound Jose Aldo over a 185 pound Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva trying the same tricks at 145 against a current Jose Aldo would be laughable.

Regarding Mendes and Weidman:

Mendes = better striking, gas tank, and speed.
Weidman = better BJJ

I think Mendes is the better wrestler, too, but aside from a weak MMA wrestler in Mark Munoz, Weidman's UFC career has been against relatively tall guys who aren't wrestlers. (Regarding Mark Munoz, everyone knows his MMA wrestling isn't high level like his collegiate wrestling skills were.)

On October 27 2014 14:06 Minsk wrote: What the fuck. You guys are comparing bubble gum to car tires. You cant compare a 145 pound fighter to a 195 pound fighter with completely different styles like that.

I agree you can't compare them as if they were all the same size. A 185 pound Mendes would be way slower and have way worse cardio, and a 145 pound Weidman would be ridiculously strong. It's impossible to adjust their skill sets to the size difference.

I'm just looking at skill sets, and I think Weidmans is definitely better than Mendes. I mean Mendes is great, but Weidman completely besmirched Silva on the feet and thoroughly out struck Machida as well, how do you say Mendes has better striking than him? He out wrestled Machida, a man known for having great TDD while undersized at LHW, at MW. I can't see anyone else at MW taking Machida down 3-4 times. Who at MW has better wrestling than Weidman? He's also got probably the 2nd best BJJ in the MW division.

I also think Weidman has superior fight IQ.

I don't think I mind Aldo's strikes "after the bell" at the end of round 1. The ref didnt step in to stop it yet (sure the ref might have been a little slow in doing so), Aldo was in mid-combination and had Mendes hurt before that. Hard to expect him to stop punching imo...

yeah I also belive the shots werent intentional