Fantasy Football 2014 (Or just Am. Football '14?)

What are the sharps thinking this year?

What's your draft board looking like?

Keepers?

Sleepers?

Jeepers Creepers.

I'm in two leagues right now. One with friends and another is a $100 Yahoo Public League. Might join one more. Here's my drafts in both...

The first league above is a QB driven league. The point system is retarded (6pts/TD for QB) & (1pt per 20 yds thrown). So by the time I picked at 9, all three of the top QB's were gone. I decided to go WR heavy early on and just load up on depth in the later rounds at other positions. I can't believe looking back, that I got Kelvin Benjamin in the 15th. His ADP currently iirc is something like the 10th round now and climbing. I think it might've been wise to pass on Spiller in the 4th round, go WR and then try and get a Reggie Bush/Ben Tate/Gerhart in the 5th.

The second league is just standard scoring in Yahoo. I kind've got sucked in to taking Jimmy Graham in the 1st (which I generally don't like to do). I was really happy taking Montee Ball in the 2nd as well. I'm a big believer in him having a huge year with Peyton and that offense. Cobb in the 3rd was good. I really think it's important to have at least 1 top tier WR on your team. Top tier in my opinion is like Dez, Calvin, AJ Green, Julio, Brandon Marshall, & Jordy. I think Cobb, Jeffery, Antonio Brown are all really close to top tier. Zac Stacy in the 4th is crazy imo. I don't know how he falls there. Other than that, I just gambled on a lot of high ceiling type of players late and hopefully will be able to use one of them to trade for a good WR.

Anyway, waiting for the fantasy master Daut to chime in (Even though I don't think he's playing that many leagues this year)!

Oh, sissy rugby, not actual football

eagles baby

still hungover from weekend, but just gonna list my top 10 rankings for a few positions:

qb: (assuming 4pt passing td)
1a rodgers, 1b peyton, 1c brees (all basically the same, but favor slightly in that order), 4 luck, 5 foles, 6 brady, 7 stafford, 8 cam, 9 ryan, 10 kaepernick, 11 wilson, 12 romo. most sites have brady much lower, dont really get it.

rb: (assuming no PPR)
1a mccoy, 1b charles (charles > mccoy in ppr), 3 AP, 4 forte (forte > ap in ppr), 5 lacy, 6 ball, 7 marshawn, 8 martin, 9 gio, 10 demarco, 11 arian, 12 stacy

WR:
1. calvin, 2. demaryius, 3 julio, 4. dez, 5. aj, 6. marshall, 7. jordy, 8. antonio, 9. cobb, 10. alshon.

gonna go off on a little tangent here. basically i think julio and dez are just gonna put up huge numbers. aj is super consistent and a clear top 5 guy, but hes not the type of guy who will have a 12 catch 210 yard 2 td game almost ever while the other guys at the top will throw up monster games occasionally. hes going to basically go 7/90/1 a ton of games. and really, consistency matters. id rather have a guy who scores 15 points every single game than a guy who scores 4/30 alternating weeks. but still, its not like the other guys i listed will put up dud games, they just wont be as consistent. julio is undervalued, just look at how he did last year before injury, hes unreal.

TE:
1. jimmy, 2a gronk 2b julius 4 cameron, who cares after that

dont like most of the rankings ive seen. think julio needs to be a lot higher in all of them, think arian is usually too low or too high, and think most of the QB rankings are slightly off. im high on some other guys (i.e. crabtree, mike evans, sanders), low on some other guys, but whatever, after that is usually personal preference. just make sure to have a lot of RB/WR with potential to break out

It's all about getting a top tier QB and TE, and then just getting solid WR/RB with a lot of depth and value at those spots while everyone who waited on those other spots make their runs. It's worked for me the last couple years.

Also, Lacy is gonna be a beast this year but obviously with my strategy, I haven't ended up with him in either of my leagues.

I ended up with Peyton and Jimmy in both my leagues and am still fairly stacked at receiver - Antonio Brown/Keenan Allen/TY Hilton/Dwayne Bowe/Dobson , and feel fine at RB while it is my weakest spot with combos like Gore/Vereen/Hyde/CJ2k

Edit: This strategy works with late first round picks and I'm in 12 team leagues fwiw. Obviously if you get #1 or 2 overall you should prolly roll the dice and go RB.

On September 01 2014 22:24 soberstone wrote: It's all about getting a top tier QB and TE, and then just getting solid WR/RB with a lot of depth and value at those spots while everyone who waited on those other spots make their runs. It's worked for me the last couple years. Also, Lacy is gonna be a beast this year but obviously with my strategy, I haven't ended up with him in either of my leagues. I ended up with Peyton and Jimmy in both my leagues and am still fairly stacked at receiver - Antonio Brown/Keenan Allen/TY Hilton/Dwayne Bowe/Dobson , and feel fine at RB while it is my weakest spot with combos like Gore/Vereen/Hyde/CJ2k Edit: This strategy works with late first round picks and I'm in 12 team leagues fwiw. Obviously if you get #1 or 2 overall you should prolly roll the dice and go RB.

disagree.

the difference between rodgers/peyton/brees (top 3 guys who you can generally still get late 2nd round in 12 team leagues) and someone like foles (who you can often get in the 6th round) is much smaller than the difference between julio (who you can get late 2nd round) and someone like desean who will usually go before foles.

in a 12 team, no PPR, 1 qb 2 rb 3 WR 1 TE no flex type league that is usually somewhat standard, the draft order SHOULD be:
1. mccoy, 2. charles, 3. AP, 4. forte, 5. calvin, 6. lacy, 7. ball, 8. jimmy graham, 9. marshawn, 10 demaryius. the following WR should ALL go before any QB goes: dez/aj/julio/marshall/jordy, and gio bernard/demarco murray as well. id probably take the QBs after that group of players and right before the doug martin/arian foster/antonio brown/cobb group.

if its a 10 team league, things change slightly since there is less demand for RB early. but still, drafting a QB in R1 is a mistake. just a simple thought experiment:

assume you have the #9 pick in a 12 team draft.
if you go RB first, your first 6 rounds will likely look like this: marshawn, julio, stacy, keenan, garcon, foles.
if you go QB first, your first 5 rounds will likely look like this: rodgers, gio, stacy, keenan, garcon, desean.

so basically, foles+marshawn+julio, or rodgers+gio+desean. i personally dont think its even close, rodgers-foles is maybe 2pts/game, marshawn-gio is like 1 point a game, julio-desean is like 2.5 points/game. i think you are making a big mistake drafting a QB that early.

TE is another story. graham needs to go early cause of how big a difference there is between him and everyone else. gronk is kinda random in both where he goes and how he will do. but i rank him the same as julius (due to peyton) and think they should both go mid-late 3rd.

On September 01 2014 22:43 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2014 22:24 soberstone wrote: It's all about getting a top tier QB and TE, and then just getting solid WR/RB with a lot of depth and value at those spots while everyone who waited on those other spots make their runs. It's worked for me the last couple years. Also, Lacy is gonna be a beast this year but obviously with my strategy, I haven't ended up with him in either of my leagues. I ended up with Peyton and Jimmy in both my leagues and am still fairly stacked at receiver - Antonio Brown/Keenan Allen/TY Hilton/Dwayne Bowe/Dobson , and feel fine at RB while it is my weakest spot with combos like Gore/Vereen/Hyde/CJ2k Edit: This strategy works with late first round picks and I'm in 12 team leagues fwiw. Obviously if you get #1 or 2 overall you should prolly roll the dice and go RB. disagree. the difference between rodgers/peyton/brees (top 3 guys who you can generally still get late 2nd round in 12 team leagues) and someone like foles (who you can often get in the 6th round) is much smaller than the difference between julio (who you can get late 2nd round) and someone like desean who will usually go before foles. in a 12 team, no PPR, 1 qb 2 rb 3 WR 1 TE no flex type league that is usually somewhat standard, the draft order SHOULD be: 1. mccoy, 2. charles, 3. AP, 4. forte, 5. calvin, 6. lacy, 7. ball, 8. jimmy graham, 9. marshawn, 10 demaryius. the following WR should ALL go before any QB goes: dez/aj/julio/marshall/jordy, and gio bernard/demarco murray as well. id probably take the QBs after that group of players and right before the doug martin/arian foster/antonio brown/cobb group. if its a 10 team league, things change slightly since there is less demand for RB early. but still, drafting a QB in R1 is a mistake. just a simple thought experiment: assume you have the #9 pick in a 12 team draft. if you go RB first, your first 6 rounds will likely look like this: marshawn, julio, stacy, keenan, garcon, foles. if you go QB first, your first 5 rounds will likely look like this: rodgers, gio, stacy, keenan, garcon, desean. so basically, foles+marshawn+julio, or rodgers+gio+desean. i personally dont think its even close, rodgers-foles is maybe 2pts/game, marshawn-gio is like 1 point a game, julio-desean is like 2.5 points/game. i think you are making a big mistake drafting a QB that early. TE is another story. graham needs to go early cause of how big a difference there is between him and everyone else. gronk is kinda random in both where he goes and how he will do. but i rank him the same as julius (due to peyton) and think they should both go mid-late 3rd.

Your analogy assumes Foles' last season wasn't an anomaly or that it was somehow predictable, which it probably was an anomaly - as evidenced but certainly not proven - by preseason, and good luck picking out the 'Foles' of 2014. You have a MUCH better chance at swooping an RB or WR later that ends up tier 1.

Secondly, and not quite as importantly, you aren't taking consistency and risk into consideration in making your assessment of the difference between Jones and Deshawn. Receivers and RB's bust or get hurt far more than QB's. Of course there are exceptions.

A more accurate analogy would have been Brees/Manning/Rodgers vs Rivers/Kaepernick/Romo/ or Foles if you are gonna be honest and assume he scores a solid 80 fantasy points less than Manning/Brees/Rodgers. That 80 point difference is the same as the 80 point difference between a DeShawn v Julio without the risk and variance.

EDIT: Essentially, your assumption that the average difference between Manning/Brees/Rodgers vs Foles will be 2 ppg is highly improbable in my opinion, and I guess that's where we will fundamentally disagree.

And Gronk is the opposite of random, his PPG and consistency is probably higher than Grahams over the past 3 years. The issue is health and if you plug in a bottom tier starting TE for the games he misses and assume Gronk will play an average of 12 games this season, that still gives you an ENORMOUS advantage at TE than people with an average guy like a Greg Olsen.

Your rankings are really interesting Daut. Wish I had seen them before doing all my drafts

I did one other $100 public league:

Team name is OMA HAAA^^^

On September 02 2014 19:25 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2014 22:43 Daut wrote:   On September 01 2014 22:24 soberstone wrote: It's all about getting a top tier QB and TE, and then just getting solid WR/RB with a lot of depth and value at those spots while everyone who waited on those other spots make their runs. It's worked for me the last couple years. Also, Lacy is gonna be a beast this year but obviously with my strategy, I haven't ended up with him in either of my leagues. I ended up with Peyton and Jimmy in both my leagues and am still fairly stacked at receiver - Antonio Brown/Keenan Allen/TY Hilton/Dwayne Bowe/Dobson , and feel fine at RB while it is my weakest spot with combos like Gore/Vereen/Hyde/CJ2k Edit: This strategy works with late first round picks and I'm in 12 team leagues fwiw. Obviously if you get #1 or 2 overall you should prolly roll the dice and go RB. disagree. the difference between rodgers/peyton/brees (top 3 guys who you can generally still get late 2nd round in 12 team leagues) and someone like foles (who you can often get in the 6th round) is much smaller than the difference between julio (who you can get late 2nd round) and someone like desean who will usually go before foles. in a 12 team, no PPR, 1 qb 2 rb 3 WR 1 TE no flex type league that is usually somewhat standard, the draft order SHOULD be: 1. mccoy, 2. charles, 3. AP, 4. forte, 5. calvin, 6. lacy, 7. ball, 8. jimmy graham, 9. marshawn, 10 demaryius. the following WR should ALL go before any QB goes: dez/aj/julio/marshall/jordy, and gio bernard/demarco murray as well. id probably take the QBs after that group of players and right before the doug martin/arian foster/antonio brown/cobb group. if its a 10 team league, things change slightly since there is less demand for RB early. but still, drafting a QB in R1 is a mistake. just a simple thought experiment: assume you have the #9 pick in a 12 team draft. if you go RB first, your first 6 rounds will likely look like this: marshawn, julio, stacy, keenan, garcon, foles. if you go QB first, your first 5 rounds will likely look like this: rodgers, gio, stacy, keenan, garcon, desean. so basically, foles+marshawn+julio, or rodgers+gio+desean. i personally dont think its even close, rodgers-foles is maybe 2pts/game, marshawn-gio is like 1 point a game, julio-desean is like 2.5 points/game. i think you are making a big mistake drafting a QB that early. TE is another story. graham needs to go early cause of how big a difference there is between him and everyone else. gronk is kinda random in both where he goes and how he will do. but i rank him the same as julius (due to peyton) and think they should both go mid-late 3rd. Your analogy assumes Foles' last season wasn't an anomaly or that it was somehow predictable, which it probably was an anomaly - as evidenced but certainly not proven - by preseason, and good luck picking out the 'Foles' of 2014. You have a MUCH better chance at swooping an RB or WR later that ends up tier 1. Secondly, and not quite as importantly, you aren't taking consistency and risk into consideration in making your assessment of the difference between Jones and Deshawn. Receivers and RB's bust or get hurt far more than QB's. Of course there are exceptions. A more accurate analogy would have been Brees/Manning/Rodgers vs Rivers/Kaepernick/Romo/ or Foles if you are gonna be honest and assume he scores a solid 80 fantasy points less than Manning/Brees/Rodgers. That 80 point difference is the same as the 80 point difference between a DeShawn v Julio without the risk and variance. EDIT: Essentially, your assumption that the average difference between Manning/Brees/Rodgers vs Foles will be 2 ppg is highly improbable in my opinion, and I guess that's where we will fundamentally disagree.

you seem to have a wrong idea where players get drafted.

12 team fairly competitive league i did a few days ago. 1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 flex, 1 te, .25ppr

peyton 1.10
brees 2.8
rodgers 2.11
luck 3.1
stafford 5.3
ryan 6.7
foles 6.12
brady 7.4
cam 7.7
romo 8.5
rw3 9.9

romo/cutler/rivers/rg3/kaep all drafted later. rivers specifically in the 12th.

you can get top 12 qbs in very late rounds. unfortunately all the good RB/WR are gone very early. if you take a QB in the mid to late first, you give up the chance to have one of those RB/WR. if you are comparing rodgers to rivers, then you should compare julio to guys like darren mcfadden or jarret boykin. the difference is MASSIVE. desean was drafted 6.5, in front of foles. which is why i compared rodgers/foles and julio/desean.

projected points from football guys for this league:
brees/rodgers/peyton 330-335
luck 315
foles 300
theres a group of qbs 280-290 and a group of qbs 260-270. cam is giving up 50 points to the top guys and goes in the 7th.
calvin: 255
demaryius: 235.7
dez/aj: 223
julio/marshall/jordy 212-220
desean: 157
colston (who went before cam): 139.
sandersalso went before cam): 152. 60+ point drop for a player drafted earlier vs 50 point drop for QB. and we are comparing julio (who usually goes mid 2nd) to top qbs, we arent even comparing guys who go in the 5th-10th spots where you suggested drafting peyton/rodgers/brees



i think taking one of the top QBs immediately after the following group of players is completely fine: mccoy/charles/AP/forte/calvin/lacy/marshawn/graham/demaryius/dez/montee ball/julio/aj green/gio bernard. so say #15 pick i think its ok. i personally would prefer to also have demarco/doug martin/marshall/jordy in front of those players in most leagues because of where i can usually get foles/brady/cam/etc. but i think taking a QB in the 1st is usually a big error and you give up players that are too strong to pass on when you can get solid qbs very late.

however, there are some reasons you may want to draft QBs earlier. 2 QB leagues, 6 pt passing tds, bonuses for 300 yard games and if your league overvalues QB as a whole, you may want to draft them earlier. for instance, i have one league with girls where i know QBs will go early, so i should reach for the top 3 before pick 15 because i will be able to get quality running backs later than i should in other leagues. and another league gives a decent sized bonus for 300 yard passing games, so peyton's value goes WAY up and now i should reach for him. but in the standard leagues with 1 qb, i think you can get solid stuff much later, so dont reach too high



gronk i say high variance specifically because of the injuries. between his forearm, back, knees, and whatever else hes dealt with, its almost hard to imagine him being around for the fantasy playoffs. if he plays a whole season, i think hes better than jimmy. but i think hes likely to miss games, may miss half the season or more, and julius over 16 games should do about as well as gronk will over 14 games, so id rather wait til the 3rd and try for julius instead. im basically treating gronk exactly how im treating arian foster this year. if i get him in the 3rd im pretty happy, if he goes before that, whatever, someone else can deal with the injuries and take on higher variance. and i have no problems taking the middle tier TE like reed or pitta, in the 8th/9th rounds when there are no starting running backs or top 20 receivers left. BUT, if gronk does work out for you for 16 games, which he should about 50% of the time id guess, and you took him say mid 2nd or later, your team will probably crush. but i think taking a guy like demarco instead is fine and still leaves you in a good position quite often. basically, i dont think its a mistake to do this, its just a bit higher variance than taking an RB early IMO

as for your point about RB that you draft early possibly getting injured, this is true. but the way i look at it is, if your RB doesnt get injured your team is well ahead of everyone elses. in the 20-30% chance that he does, you probably miss the playoffs. if you draft a QB in the 5-10 range you are lowering your overall ceiling by quite a bit and trying to take a low variance route which will probably result in a 7-6 type team. its aiming for mediocrity.

in a 16 player league and i was #12 in draft order so i went with these in the following order: lynch, rodgers, michael floyd, maclin (not sure if it was floyd first or maclin)

im awful at fantasy but gogogogo eagles this year

On September 03 2014 05:59 RaiNKhAN wrote: in a 16 player league and i was #12 in draft order so i went with these in the following order: lynch, rodgers, michael floyd, maclin (not sure if it was floyd first or maclin) im awful at fantasy but gogogogo eagles this year

first 2 rounds solid, problem is, 16 man league where you usually start 2 RB they are very scarce (there are like 30 good ones and then huge dropoffs after) so you kinda want to grab as many as you can early.

Give me some draft grades when you get a chance Daut

On September 02 2014 19:57 TimDawg wrote: Your rankings are really interesting Daut. Wish I had seen them before doing all my drafts I did one other $100 public league:

decent draft here. since yahoo publics are 10 team with 3 WR and no flex, i often avoid taking an RB at the wheel positions. last year i liked going calvin/jimmy. here dez/aj were both gone, so id probably take julio instead of peyton, but what you did is fine. 10 team with no flex means RB are available later, no pressure to grab early. your later rounds are ok, with exception of welker. even before the amphetamine news, i thought he was more like a 10th rounder.

your other 2 drafts look great. only exception being lamar miller sucks. wouldnt take him before round 10. your team with jimmy is amazing, but it could have been better if you didnt take a defense too early.

Couple guys I'm high on/targeted this year are:

QB
Russel Wilson. Can get him quite late and I think he will put up higher than projected numbers consistently this year. Even in last night's game he put up a good number even after missing a couple TD pass opportunities and he nearly rushed for a TD as well.

WR
Julian Edelman. I have him as a top 20 WR this year. Esp in half ppr or ppr hes going to get a million grabs.

Cordarelle Patterson. I like him a lot. I also like that both of these guys are punt returners. Some bonus upside.

TE
Kyle Rudolph. I think he has a lot of value for where you can get him. I dont like Cameron or Thomas and gronk as early as they go so I'm targeting Rudolph in all leagues. If I dont get him I'm settling for Zach ertz later on.

Everywhere else I like Dauts posts.

On September 05 2014 10:25 thewh00sel wrote: Couple guys I'm high on/targeted this year are: QB Russel Wilson. Can get him quite late and I think he will put up higher than projected numbers consistently this year. Even in last night's game he put up a good number even after missing a couple TD pass opportunities and he nearly rushed for a TD as well. WR Julian Edelman. I have him as a top 20 WR this year. Esp in half ppr or ppr hes going to get a million grabs. Cordarelle Patterson. I like him a lot. I also like that both of these guys are punt returners. Some bonus upside. TE Kyle Rudolph. I think he has a lot of value for where you can get him. I dont like Cameron or Thomas and gronk as early as they go so I'm targeting Rudolph in all leagues. If I dont get him I'm settling for Zach ertz later on. Everywhere else I like Dauts posts.

Wilson is a better real life player than fantasy player. In terms of trade values, I think luck/rodgers/wilson are all about equal. What I mean by this is that if I had any other player in the league, I would trade him for wilson. JJ Watt, calvin johnson, drew brees, doesnt matter, wilson is more valuable over the next 10 years. Most people think luck/rodgers are worth more, and its hard to disagree, but i think the gap is minimal at best.

The issue with his fantasy production is that he doesnt run for many TD (lynch is better suited for goal line), he doesnt have great weapons at receiver (outside of harvin they are well below average, and percy gets a lot of his points from returns/rushes). Despite that, I still think hes roughly equal to the guys in the 7-12 range: ryan, cam, kaep, romo, etc. they all have pros and cons, but i think hes pretty clearly below the top 6 fantasy wise.


agree on edelman/patterson. rudolph you may be right, but I dont have much of an opinion on the 8-13 tight ends. Id rather have reed/pitta/vernon over anyone outside the graham/gronk/julius/cameron group, and after that, i dont care too much who i get in the witten, olsen, ertz, rudolph, bennett, etc group of guys. they all seem about equal to me. if you have a good reason to like rudolph youre probably right. i just grab whoever is left of that group in late rounds after i take RB/WR i want first.

i grabbed josh gordon in 2 leagues just in case the NFL changes their drug policy and lets him play this season. Your last roster spot is generally not going to amount to much, and if its even 5% he ends up playing 12 games its well worth the investment.

ill take a 5% chance of having a top 3 WR for 12 games over having some terrible teams #3 wideout who wont put up any numbers.

On September 06 2014 03:54 Daut wrote: i grabbed josh gordon in 2 leagues just in case the NFL changes their drug policy and lets him play this season. Your last roster spot is generally not going to amount to much, and if its even 5% he ends up playing 12 games its well worth the investment. ill take a 5% chance of having a top 3 WR for 12 games over having some terrible teams #3 wideout who wont put up any numbers.

I thought they ruled officially that hes out entire season?

On September 06 2014 07:56 RaiNKhAN wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2014 03:54 Daut wrote: i grabbed josh gordon in 2 leagues just in case the NFL changes their drug policy and lets him play this season. Your last roster spot is generally not going to amount to much, and if its even 5% he ends up playing 12 games its well worth the investment. ill take a 5% chance of having a top 3 WR for 12 games over having some terrible teams #3 wideout who wont put up any numbers. I thought they ruled officially that hes out entire season?

Originally, yes but recently they've talked about revising their drug policy (not including weed/MDMA with HGH)

They should announce something on Sunday about it

Yah I was on the shitter reading Rotoworld when I saw that. Swooped him up in my two leagues, best poop I've ever taken. I think it's much better than a 5 percent chance from what I'm reading too. Pretty obvious the NFL wants to get this done.

I am pretty over College Football at this point. A bunch of college kids playing relatively sub par football. I could not even name one player on my alma mater this year before watching them play about 15 minutes of atrocious football and 3 hours of admen peddling their bullshit.

However,

F'ing NFL man. I am watching bits and pieces of all these games. Checking and double checking unimportant details for no reason... etc... etc...

awww shiiiit

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Lamar Miller or Markus Wheaton?

Matt Stafford or RG3?

stafford > rg3 and its not close

i go wheaton. im convinced lamar's usage will start at 50% and asymptotically approach 20% as the season goes on. knowshon will win the job, while wheaton plays every play. in non PPR the gap is even wider

On September 11 2014 16:15 Daut wrote: stafford > rg3 and its not close i go wheaton. im convinced lamar's usage will start at 50% and asymptotically approach 20% as the season goes on. knowshon will win the job, while wheaton plays every play. in non PPR the gap is even wider

agree. I wouldn't even mind dropping RG3 at this point if there are better QBs available in waivers (which I would assume in almost every league there is)

Just heard AP is in trouble (indicted) for child abuse

lolololol

was going to make a smartass reply but honestly the situation seems pretty fucked up and sad, kid is apparently 4 years old and got whipped with a switch. the alleged cause was that the kid pushed another one of AP's kids while he was playing a videogame. these are photos from TMZ:



from http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/1...n-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

"The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”
Peterson also allegedly said via text message to the child’s mother that he “felt bad after the fact when I notice the switch was wrapping around hitting I (sic) thigh” and also acknowledged the injury to the child’s scrotum in a text message, saying, “Got him in nuts once I noticed. But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”
In further text messages, Peterson allegedly said, “Never do I go overboard! But all my kids will know, hey daddy has the biggie heart but don’t play no games when it comes to acting right.”
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that “Daddy Peterson hit me on my face.” The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that “there are a lot of belts in Daddy’s closet.” He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson “likes belts and switches” and “has a whooping room.”

what a goddamned idiot.

and what the fuck at putting leaves in his mouth...?

^^^I've never understood or agreed with that way of disciplining your children but know a lot of people who were raised that way

So start or sit...

Pierre Garçon or Brandin Cooks?

Kelvin Benjamin or Vincent Jackson?

Greg Jennings or Roddy White?

TEN Defense or MIA Defense?

garcon benjamin jennings miami

Why havent we started a LP.net fantasy league yet?

timdawg every single one of those choices you had did horribly, that's such bad luck lol

It's been a bloodbath so far lol

Peterson might have put leaves in his mouth because he had nothing better nearby and wanted to keep him from biting his tongue. He made the kid undress though so you would think cloth would be better.

You can kind of tell AP is not beating his kids out of sadistic inclinations or I'll intentioned purposes. He's a stubborn and dumb southern hick who really thinks that is an ok way to raise your kids.

And I don't see the generational thing as an excuse. His dad beat on him so it's the only way he knows how to discipline his own children. Bullshit. My dad used to smack me around and take out the belt until I got too big for him. I wouldn't dream of doing that shit to my own children despite what happened to me.

It's even well known among parents not to leave marks when "whooping" your children; that you can get in trouble. Should be common sense to AP that beating a 4 year old with a tree branch and drawing blood repeatedly is going to far. Hitting a 4 year old in the head with a closed fist is going too far. I think he needs to be disciplined himself and made to realize this is 2014 and society is trying to move away from barbaric methods of child-rearing. He's rich enough to still take care of his family while being absent from them for a little while. Those kids may need the relief. Prosecute him and try to get a little jail time IMO

On September 17 2014 10:16 traxamillion wrote: Peterson might have put leaves in his mouth because he had nothing better nearby and wanted to keep him from biting his tongue. He made the kid undress though so you would think cloth would be better. You can kind of tell AP is not beating his kids out of sadistic inclinations or I'll intentioned purposes. He's a stubborn and dumb southern hick who really thinks that is an ok way to raise your kids. And I don't see the generational thing as an excuse. His dad beat on him so it's the only way he knows how to discipline his own children. Bullshit. My dad used to smack me around and take out the belt until I got too big for him. I wouldn't dream of doing that shit to my own children despite what happened to me. It's even well known among parents not to leave marks when "whooping" your children; that you can get in trouble. Should be common sense to AP that beating a 4 year old with a tree branch and drawing blood repeatedly is going to far. Hitting a 4 year old in the head with a closed fist is going too far. I think he needs to be disciplined himself and made to realize this is 2014 and society is trying to move away from barbaric methods of child-rearing. He's rich enough to still take care of his family while being absent from them for a little while. Those kids may need the relief. Prosecute him and try to get a little jail time IMO

Well said old friend, well said.

Pierre Thomas or Bradshaw this week for flex spot?

And my God, this kid Winston is just such a dumb guy. I mean literally, not in the insulting sense. The guy is about as dumb as a door nail. It's comical. Alleged rape, stealing crab-legs, and then this bullshit.

But overall, I'm just referring to his interviews. The guy is just hilariously stupid. I feel guilt while I type this but what can I say, I'm a dick.

On September 17 2014 22:07 soberstone wrote: Pierre Thomas or Bradshaw this week for flex spot?

I can't recall either one of their match ups but I would go Bradshaw

He's consistently outplayed Trent Richardson so far and is emerging as the starting back (unless the coaching staff for the Colts is too stubborn/dumb to realize that Bradshaw is better)

Pierre Thomas still has Khiry Robinson behind him who has really shown flashes of greatness imo and I think they're likely to split carries or possibly Robinson gets more.

Seems like a pretty close spot but I'd gamble on Bradshaw (maybe just start whoever is playing the worse Defensive team)

my estimates on how they will do:
thomas: 30 yards rushing, 5 catches, 45 yards receiving, .4 TD. = 9.9+ 5 catches
bradshaw: 50 yards rushing, 3 catches, 25 yards receiving, .5 TD. = 10.5 + 3 catches.

if your league is .5 PPR or higher go pierre thomas. if your league is less than .5 PPR, go bradshaw.

Wanted to get you guys' thoughts on a possible trade I am considering....

The jist of the trade is that I am in need of a solid RB (at least RB2) or TE and the guy I'm working with is need of a WR (badly) and a QB.

His team consists of:

QB: Romo, RB's: Montee Ball, Ellington - Bell, Sproles, Ridley on bench, WR's: Garcon, Michael Floyd, Hawkins & Torrey Smith, Colston, Steve Smith Sr. on bench, TE: Jimmy Graham. K & DEF don't matter

My team:

QB's: Foles & Cutler (he likes Cutler more), RB's: Alfred Morris, Lamar Miller, & Spiller, Fred Jackson, Khiry Robinson on bench, WR's: Calvin, Dez, V Jax, Wheaton, Kelvin Benjamin, TE: Martellus Bennet.

So...we've discussed a deal with the centerpieces being a combination of Calvin or Dez, along with Cutler & Kelvin Benjamin for something like Graham, Ball/Ellington, & Colston. We've also discussed Dez for Montee Ball straight up.

I'm really not sure if I should just stand pat with my team or try to upgrade at TE/RB. I don't want to give up too much when one of my RB's could pan out and be a decent RB2. I think it would make more sense to try to aquire Graham instead of Ball but I think he will want too much.

Thoughts?

I'm pretty bad at FF so take my thought with a grain of shitty salt. I think I last won a league in high school many moons ago.

But if I'm reading that right, I'd almost certainly not do that trade. Graham is obv the best TE by a solid margin but seeing as how the Bears throw so much, Bennett is a low-solid TE1 I think so the upgrade wouldn't be as big as it is for some people. Colston is a pretty good buy low guy right now for the next cpl weeks since he just put out a donut but I mean...if you get Graham and Colston together, can't expect simultaneous great production from both from many weeks. Apparently, the rookie, Brandin Cooks, has seen even more snaps than Colston in the first two weeks. They're probably going to feed Colston a bunch this upcoming game but long run, I don't think it's that great as I can see him putting up a few more near donut weeks.

Personally was never as high on Ball as others (I'm a big broncos fan and I still don't fully understand why they didn't keep Knowshon since it's not like they had to break the bank for him...and yea I know he just got injured but still) so while your 2nd RB spot kinda sucks, the rest of your team is pretty solid so having a somewhat weak RB2 isn't the worst thing in the world. And like you said, a cpl might soon pan out. I had Lamar Miller last year and needless to say he sucked ass but I think a little of it was poor playcalling and O-line. And now he has his chance for 4 weeks on an improved Dolphins team. Same with Khiry now that Ingram's out although Pierre Thomas soaks up snaps there. And Spiller isn't consistent but you could probably do worse with him as an RB2 on some weeks when you have two of the top WR's in the game.

Does he really have Leveon Bell on the bench? His team looks so poorly drafted to waste a pick on Bell and have him sit on the bench. If he doesn't think that highly of Bell, I'd try to trade something like Dez/Bennett for Bell/Graham. Maybe toss in a random RB on your side and a random WR on his side. Wouldn't fly in most leagues but would be ok here since he somehow drafted Bell to be on the bench and needs a top end WR badly

Oh nevermind. It's Joique Bell isn't it. Of course it is. I was stupid. Leveon just wouldn't make sense. Well scratch my fictitious trade idea but I think the rest of the post is relevant.

Lol yes^^^

Yeah ignore my brain air ball. And I guess what I said about Bennett is more applicable in PPR which I'm guessing yours isn't.

Anyone have any strong opinions on tier'ing Cordarrelle, Brandin Cooks, Golden Tate for WR3-4's. Was high'ish on Cordarrelle pre-season but not liking him nearly as much anymore for PPR after a little thought and because of his QB situation. Trying to trade one + my RB1 for a top end WR + serviceable RB

I think its pretty cool that Balotelli was signed by Liverpool.

Double post

Ended up accepting an offer of Gronk/Reggie Bush for Dez/Khiry Robinson

All of my friends that play fantasy are telling me that's a spew^^^

Also accepted a trade, Michael Floyd (AZ) for Brandin Cooks (I get Floyd)

well thats why we play the game

Was going against Marshall with a 1 point cushion. Life is dandy.

Rank these QB's for this week:

Big Ben (@JAX), Stafford (BUF), Foles (STL) or Cutler (@CAR)?

Pick 2 out of the 4 between:

Zac Stacy (@PHI), Reggie Bush (BUF), Montee Ball (ARI) and Khiry Robinson (TB)

2 out of the 3 between:

Wes Welker (ARI), Roddy White (@NYG) and Percy Harvin (@WAS)

-note that my other starting WR is Demaryious Thomas

best to worst: foles, cutler, stafford, big ben

roddy white, welker

Really Khan? You think Big Ben is the worst out of those 4?

I was thinking: Foles > Big Ben> Cutler > Stafford

(I could see Ben being number 1 though, he's playing JAX!!!!)

dunno. just guessing

On October 01 2014 15:42 TimDawg wrote: Rank these QB's for this week: Big Ben (@JAX), Stafford (BUF), Foles (STL) or Cutler (@CAR)? Pick 2 out of the 4 between: Zac Stacy (@PHI), Reggie Bush (BUF), Montee Ball (ARI) and Khiry Robinson (TB) 2 out of the 3 between: Wes Welker (ARI), Roddy White (@NYG) and Percy Harvin (@WAS) -note that my other starting WR is Demaryious Thomas

QB: Stafford>Foles>Ben>Cutler, but Cutler is less than 10% worse than Stafford for this week imo so it doesn't really matter too much.

RB: Stacy and Bush; both doing about 1-1.5 points better than ball, who is 2 points better than Khiry this week. Kind of depends on PPR or not, as the grouping is slightly closer in 1/2 ppr, but I still like stacy and bush more.

WR: Wes welker for sure, and then choose who you like from white or harvin. I think the NYG game could turn into a shootout so I might pick him for the higher ceiling but I have Harvin ranked about .4points higher than him. If you have DThomas, I still don't think it's bad to throw Welker in the mix. They should both get their targets and it will eat some variance from your lineup.

Percy deserves an extra look this week. Redskin's secondary is painfully slow and dealing with losing Deangelo Hall, a knucklehead but still easily our top corner, while the run D seems to be legit. If this is non ppr, why is Wes an automatic play? I'd want to see a week or two more out of him...esp to see if he's being targeted much near red zone since Peyton automatically seems to look for Julius now there...and they prob want to feed the ball some to Demaryius with some attention being sent his way for his poor start

All non PPR btw

Agree Percy harvin is prob a bit better in nonppr than the other two

Marques Colston vs Reggie Bush @ w/r/t in ppr league?

Nevermind. Nirvana.

Bell has a concussion.

ended up being cutler foles big ben stafford (in that order), timdawg