UFC FN 36: Machida vs. Mousasi

Date: Saturday, February 15th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:30 LP.net / 4:30pm PST / 7:30pm EST
Main Card Time (Fox Sports 1): 21:30 LP.net / 7:30pm PST / 10:30pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)





Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

Lyoto Machida (20-4) vs. Gegard Mousasi (34-3-2) (Middleweight)
Ronaldo Souza (19-3) vs. Francis Carmont (22-7) (Middleweight)
Erick Silva (15-4) vs. Takenori Sato (17-8-7) (Welterweight)
Viscardi Andrade (17-5) vs. Nicholas Musoke (11-2) (Welterweight)
Charles Oliveira (16-4) vs. Andy Ogle (9-3) (Featherweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Cristiano Marcello (13-5) vs. Joe Proctor (8-2) (Lightweight)
Rodrigo Damm (11-6) vs. Ivan Jorge (25-3) (Lightweight)
Francisco Trinaldo (13-3) vs. Jesse Ronson (13-3) (Lightweight)
Iuri Alcantara (28-5) vs. Wilson Reis (17-4) (Bantamweight)
Felipe Arantes (15-6-1) vs. Maximo Blanco (9-5-1) (Featherweight)
Ildemar Alcantara (19-6) vs. Albert Tumenov (12-1) (Welterweight)
Douglas Silva de Andrade (22-0) vs. Zubair Tuhugov (15-3) (Featherweight)

Other

- Returning veteran Nate Loughran was expected to face Erick Silva at the event. However, Loughran was forced out of the bout with an injury and was replaced by promotional newcomer Takenori Sato.
- Zubair Tuhugov was expected to face Thiago Tavares at this event. However, Tavares was forced to pulled out due to an undisclosed injury, and was replaced by UFC newcomer Douglas Silva de Andrade.

First thoughts:

• Machida > Mousasi (Over 3.5 rounds at -155 with a small hedge of Machida by KO at +230. Also, I think there's value of this fight going to a draw at +10500, and all you have to do is lay $1 to get a nice return)
• Souza > Carmont (Everyones first thought: "OMG, Jacare is going to crush this kid!" My thought: Carmont knows Jacare is dangerous, so he'll fight defensively and from the outside with kicks. My pick is "NOT Jacare inside the distance" at +140)
• Silva > Sato (never heard of Sato before, but he's +600 at 5dimes, so maybe worth laying down a few bucks)
• Andrade > Musoke (Musoke is the underdog according to the books, but is the favorite according to multiple bettors. I'll take Andrade at -135, as it's a close fight and he's fighting in his home country)
• Oliveira > Ogle (Not worth betting, unless you do a prop on Oliveira)
• Proctor > Marcello
• Jorge > Damm
• Ronson > Trinaldo
• Alcantara > Reis
• Blanco > Arantes (Blanco will probably use his wrestling)
• Tumenov > Alcantara
• Andrade vs. Tuhugov (Andrade took this fight on 2 weeks notice, due to Thiago Tavares pulling out. Never seen either guy fight)

Lyoto vs gayhard is a very interesting technical match up. I for one don't think Mousasi's mma striking is anywhere near as good as his fights in k-1 would indicate. He's generally looked good but not overly impressive striking in MMA.Will be interesting to see him fight his first high level opponent since losing to King Mo a couple years ago. Will also be interesting to see Machida's fight IQ and if he elects to take it to the ground. He should have a decent edge in wrestling.

That said I think this fight is likely to be boring as shit in and of its self. It will be interesting to see how the fight unfolds, but I expect both to be hesitant and passive.

Jacare vs Carmont... omg Jacare is gonna crush this kid.

How good is Proctor? I'm thinking of putting some money on him vs Marcello since Marcello doesn't seem very good.

Also thinking there might be some value in the Rus-crew.


Oh, and I have a big bet on Mousasi, still think he's better then Machida and that Machida tends to give away wins for no apparent reason a lot. Seems like he's allergic against offence vs anyone who's good standing from time to time.

So post 2nd Shogun fight:

Refused to hit Rampage in the face for 2 rounds and owned him the last round. "lost" a fight he won due to not hitting ppl in the face.

Kicked Randy in the face. Randy is a legend but he does not have scary stand up and had no good wins since 2007.

Got chocked by Jones in a fight where he actually tried and looked pretty good.

KO'd Bader, that's good although Bader has been looking so-so for a long time.

Split vs Old man Henderson, although Hedo is very good in a lot of ways his style fits Machida very well.

A "loss" to Davis in a fight he should've won if he would've been more aggressive.

A Ko of Munoz, who I've never figured out if he's good or not (also got head kicked Ko'd by Hamill....)

Mousasi on the other hand has fought worse competition and also given up a fight he should've won (Mo) but except for that one he tends to win fights one way or another. Given the odds I think it's an ok bet, although I'm not as glad about it as I was a week ago.

how much you bet on Mousasi???

I made a small bet on Mousasi at +225 with Nazgul.

Machida is physically and technically superior but Mousasi is one of the best tacticians in MMA, i like the odds of him figuring out a way to neutralize machida

Machida at -225 or the other guy at +175?

Hmm wat to do

Haven't read it yet, but here's Jack Slack's breakdown of Mousasi: http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-the-shape-shifting-gegard-mousasi

Nice to see his stuff being posted on VICE.com. Not sure if it's just a user submitted article, or if he's an actual staff member on that website.

I think Trinaldo will murder Ronson

Any idea if a win would potentially put Machida as the candidate for MW title fight ?

yes, Dana White said if he wins he is the next in line
but I don't think he's going to win, Mousasi has really good technique, think it will be a boring fight tho

machida vs mousasi is impossible to bet on. do you want to bet steep odds on a guy who throws 5 strikes a round and gets in close fights? or on a guy who was taken down 5 times in one round by KEITH JARDINE? PASS

Just bet on over 3.5 rounds

On February 12 2014 09:39 PuertoRican wrote: Haven't read it yet, but here's Jack Slack's breakdown of Mousasi: http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-the-shape-shifting-gegard-mousasi Nice to see his stuff being posted on VICE.com. Not sure if it's just a user submitted article, or if he's an actual staff member on that website.

I said something alike to Daut, Mousasi has the highest fighting IQ ive seen in all MMA, his weakness is being simply outwrestled especially from something more powerful like Mo.

Machida is faster, stronger, has better reflexes and on paper is overall way superior, but I think theres a good chance Mousasi figures out a way to destroy his very peculiar striking game, Machida is also somewhat of a tactician too, but more of an instinctive one, he will measure the opponents range and capitalize on timing very well, but that simply wont work against somebody who is exploiting constantly all of your weakness, Machida simply wont know why the fuck he is getting owned.

I think Machidas better chance of winning this is to mix it up a lot with wrestling, if he comes out all karateka and shit like I suspect he will be, he will be relying on a flashy KO to win this because if it goes to a technical striking grind, Mousasi win.

On February 12 2014 20:10 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 12 2014 09:39 PuertoRican wrote: Haven't read it yet, but here's Jack Slack's breakdown of Mousasi: http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-the-shape-shifting-gegard-mousasi Nice to see his stuff being posted on VICE.com. Not sure if it's just a user submitted article, or if he's an actual staff member on that website. I said something alike to Daut, Mousasi has the highest fighting IQ ive seen in all MMA, his weakness is being simply outwrestled especially from something more powerful like Mo. Machida is faster, stronger, has better reflexes and on paper is overall way superior, but I think theres a good chance Mousasi figures out a way to destroy his very peculiar striking game, Machida is also somewhat of a tactician too, but more of an instinctive one, he will measure the opponents range and capitalize on timing very well, but that simply wont work against somebody who is exploiting constantly all of your weakness, Machida simply wont know why the fuck he is getting owned. I think Machidas better chance of winning this is to mix it up a lot with wrestling, if he comes out all karateka and shit like I suspect he will be, he will be relying on a flashy KO to win this because if it goes to a technical striking grind, Mousasi win.

I started following Mousasi somewhat late in his career, even though he's only 28. Even though I've watched a lot of his older fights on YouTube, the first actual LIVE fight I've seen him in was his match against Jardine in April 2011. In his last 5 fights, I haven't been impressed at all with him, which is why I'm interested to finally see Mousasi against a legit top 5 fighter who isn't new in his career or past his prime.

I already know what Machida has to offer, but I hope to see something "extra" from Mousasi this Saturday, or else I'll continue to think he's a good fighter, but not great. Also, it will be interesting to see what type of fight Mousasi will put up against a well rounded fighter in the UFC who's also a good wrestler.

If anyone gets the finish in this fight, I think it will be Machida. If Mousasi starts out-striking Machida, Machida will get on his bycicle and avoid getting hit as much as possible. I don't like Mousasi's speed, so I'm wondering how he'll be able to handle a perfectly timed head kick.

Mousasi via decision is +490, and his money line is starting to get better since more money is coming in on Machida.

Mousasi is some random guys favorite fighter on Sherdog, so he made a thread with a bunch of "funny" stuff related to Mousasi. Some of it is worth checking out real quick.

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/g...hread-unintentional-hilarity-2670619/

that thread is great now I want him to win

I'm thinking about betting big on this parlay:
Silva ITD + Souza ITD @ +100

what you guys think about it ? Jacare's been a killer lately, don't think Carmont will survive much time
and Erick Silva always go for the kill, especially vs a huge underdog, don't know anything about Sato tho

On February 13 2014 09:12 drone666 wrote: I'm thinking about betting big on this parlay: Silva ITD + Souza ITD @ +100 what you guys think about it ? Jacare's been a killer lately, don't think Carmont will survive much time and Erick Silva always go for the kill, especially vs a huge underdog, don't know anything about Sato tho

I think Jacare will win, but "NOT Jacare ITD" at +140 is what I liked for that fight.

Carmont is good at making his opponents fight his type of fight, and slows the fight down a bit overall. I'm expecting Carmont to stay on the outside and use his long kicks like he has in the past. He obviously won't fight the same way as he did in his last fight, as he doesn't want to risk getting clipped by Jacare's wild punches that have a lot of power behind them.

rashad out from the fight vs COrmier

Ok, so got a bunch of small bets now.

Put small bets on Proctor and Tumenov. Tumenov I might bet more on but not sure.

Put a medium sized bet on Tukhugov before Unibet took down the line. I got him at 2.45 which is much better then the american sites so I think they just fucked up.

Also have ~150 USD on Mousasi at 3.0. Still think it's a pick'em fight.

Then I have a small parlay on Souza, Tumenov, Y Alacantara, Proctor, Oliviera and Tuk.

Also have a bet on Maia at 3.3 over Rory later this spring. I think Rory probably wins a dec but I don't think he'll win often enough to warrant those odds.

On February 13 2014 17:53 DustySwedeDude wrote: Also have ~150 USD on Mousasi at 3.0. Still think it's a pick'em fight.

Why not add some money to Mousasi's decision line at +490? It makes a lot of sense to bet it, since you're confident in him.

An interesting website that breaks down fights for you and gives you statistics to why it thinks a certain fighter will win a fight: http://cagerank.com

Here's what the website says for this weekends UFC card: http://cagerank.com/HQrVs/UFC-Fight-Night-36

On February 13 2014 22:18 PuertoRican wrote: An interesting website that breaks down fights for you and gives you statistics to why it thinks a certain fighter will win a fight: http://cagerank.com Here's what the website says for this weekends UFC card: http://cagerank.com/HQrVs/UFC-Fight-Night-36

Wasn't that site supposed to be somewhat of a funny/joke kinda thing?



Honda by armbar.

Carmont and GSP at the beach in Brazil earlier this week.

On February 13 2014 23:13 HaiVan wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2014 22:18 PuertoRican wrote: An interesting website that breaks down fights for you and gives you statistics to why it thinks a certain fighter will win a fight: http://cagerank.com Here's what the website says for this weekends UFC card: http://cagerank.com/HQrVs/UFC-Fight-Night-36 Wasn't that site supposed to be somewhat of a funny/joke kinda thing?

No idea.

I mean, I would personally never use it as a deciding factor for when I place my bets, but I just thought some of the stats that it gives is interesting.

In case any of the fish on LP.net aren't clear, DO NOT use cagerank.com as the deciding factor when you place your bets, just look at some of the stats it gives and then compare what is bullshit with the knowledge that you already have in your head.

All the props wasn't up when I did my bets.

Also don't wanna bet Moose by dec, I think he might win by KO at least some % of the time in a 5 round fight.

* Blanco was 147.9 on his first attempt, but made weight on his second try.

This weigh-in started 6 hours earlier than normal, which means the fighters will have at least 30 hours of recovery, which is more than usual. People who rehydrate a lot of weight after the weigh-ins will "possibly" be a little fresher than usual come fight night.

On February 14 2014 06:02 DustySwedeDude wrote: All the props wasn't up when I did my bets. Also don't wanna bet Moose by dec, I think he might win by KO at least some % of the time in a 5 round fight.

I'd be surprised if Mousasi wins by KO/TKO here, as Machida will always be moving around and be the faster of the two guys. KO/TKO`ing a fast counter striker who isn't a volume striker is a big task.

The best play here would be the Over 3.5 rounds, which I mentioned a couple weeks ago when it was at -155. If the fight did get finished via strikes, I think it would be Machida hitting a head kick or a body kick to stun Mousasi and get a TKO, but Mousasi hasn't been knocked out before, so I'm assuming he can survive in this fight.

If you think Mousasi will win, there's no way you can possibly think that he'd win via KO/TKO more than 50% of the time versus Machida. If these two guys fought 100 times, Mousasi's share of wins would mostly be via decision imo.

Anyway, gL~

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Brazilian fight expert Marcelo Alonso - http://www.sherdog.com/radio/Roundtable-UFC-Fight-Night-36-3607


Machida - more UFC experience, tougher experience, via UD

Souza - is on another level, via finish R3

Silva - via TKO R1

Andrade - lack of knowledge of Musoke

Oliveira - via sub

Marcello - not sure, crazy fight, I would lose money if I bet here

Jorge - he's really big, Damm is small has a hard time losing weight, Jorge is much bigger, Jorge strongest on the ground, win via TKO/UD

Trinaldo - ever since he went to Curitiba, he's less aggressive and gases out, he's not improving, I only saw Ronson last fight, via UD

Alcantara - one step above of Reis, via TKO/Sub R1

Blanco - has the wrestling, via UD

Alcantara - via experience

Tuhugov - Andrade fought nobodies, never trained in academy, trained in middle of streets with friends, Tuhugov is bigger, Andrade has 9 days notice, was at 170, had to cut alot of weight, has no structure on how to lose weight, he will be really weak, Andrade is a white belt in BJJ, will lose via TKO R1

Put ~70USD om Musoke after watching the weight ins. Not knowing a ton about either fighter but with 2.1 odds and Musoke coming from a better camp and as far as I can tell having a slightly more impressive record I'm ok with that bet.

Edit: props got up now so got a small bet on Mousasi by dec for 15USD or so.

Final picks:

• Machida > Mousasi (Over 3.5 rounds at -155 with a small hedge of Machida by KO/TKO at +325 or Machida ITD at +250. Also, I think there's value of this fight going to a draw at +10500, and all you have to do is lay $1 to get a nice return)
• Souza > Carmont ("NOT Jacare inside the distance" at +140)
• Silva > Sato (Sato is currently at +850. I've never seen him fight, but adding 2-3 bucks on him is okay I guess if you want to gamble)
• Andrade > Musoke (Andrade's ML at -125, and a smaller bet on "Andrade wins by decision" at +474)
• Oliveira > Ogle (I think Over 1.5 rounds at -125 and "Fight starts Round 3" at +116 have value, but I'm not touching this fight)
• Proctor > Marcello (Marcello points handicap +3½ at +120)
• Jorge > Damm (Jorge's ML at -120)
• Ronson > Trinaldo (Ronson points handicap +3½ at -105)
• Alcantara > Reis
• Arantes > Blanco (After re-watching tape on both guys and seeing their weigh-in, I think that Arantes will win and Blanco's wrestling won't be as big of a factor as I initially thought. Either way, I think the best play is "Fight goes the Distance" at -135," and if you want to gamble a little bit more, Arantes' ML is/was at +105)
• Tumenov > Alcantara (I missed the -145 ML, so either "Fight doesn't go the distance" at -160, or Tumenov's KO/TKO prop at +150)
• Tuhugov > Andrade (Tuhugov's ML at -105)

• FOTN: Arantes vs. Blanco at +500

Another night where I have inadvertently left it up to one fighter. If Iuri Alcanatra wins we're having an okay night. I haven't touched Machida vs Mousasi. Other than the fight going over 3.5. Blanco/Arantes I haven't touched. Damm Jorge haven't touched. I'm really big on Iuri, Souza, Trinaldo, Proctor, and Silva (only in parlays). If they manage to win its a great night. GL LP.

Line movement on fight day for the following:

Jesse Ronson: +165 to +125
Iuri Alcantara: -260'ish to -185
Felipe Arantes: +105 to -110 (Blanco is now at +100)
Zubair Tuhugov: -105 to -115

I'm watching via UFC Fight Pass, but some European guy posted this on Sherdog, which apparently works for others:

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Originally Posted by Timurd123 View Post

Hey guys

anyone that doesnt have fight pass can simply get the Hola add on to your google chrome, change your country to nigeria or something like that and go to the official ufc youtube page for the event

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Great judging in the first fight. I saw it about the same for Tukhugov.

Ivan Batman > Damn
think I'll bet big on this one
also, I'm betting on Alcantara brothers

2-1 for Ildemar Alcantara imo. Tumenov gassed after he won round 1.

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Great card for me so far. Arantes ML and Arantes/Blanco goes the distance both won.

tough fight to score

Yeah, Yuri fought like I thought he would. I was surprised with Wilson Reis though, I've never seen that type of wrestling for him.

Overall, this is a great card for me so far. I hit the "fight goes the distance" on the Yuri/Reis fight.

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I don't have anything on the Ronson/Trinaldo fight. I went to go place my bet on Ronson +3.5, but the line was removed earlier today. It's the only fight I don't have a bet on.

The commentators have mentioned a couple times at least that it's hot and humid inside the arena that they're in right now. This makes a lot of sense since all of these fights are going the distance. Fighters are getting tired more quickly and/or want to pace themselves and not gas out.

This would be a good time to adjust your bets if you need to.

This is such a terrible card. I just can't tell who is winning any of these fights. Or how the judges are scoring them.

On February 15 2014 21:07 SeanBam wrote: This is such a terrible card. I just can't tell who is winning any of these fights. Or how the judges are scoring them.

I can tell who's winning, but the fights suck. However, easy money so far, as they keep going the distance and the fights are close, which is good for me.

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Sigh... 1 judge gives it to Proctor 30-27, thus killing any +3.5 bets on Marcello...

I don't see 30-27 proctor. I really thought Proctor was on the verge of tapping in the first round. I was on Proctor so I'm glad I just can't get a read on the judges to live bet the main card. Tumenov really hurt me and I'm playing catch up now..

Live betting is available for the rest of the fights.

I have o1.5 and Andrade's ML. Also took o1.5 for Oliveira/Ogle fight.

I have 1u on Nico and a couple long parlays with him.

Added a bet on Musoke at +310 after round 1 was over, cuz he recovered nicely and was landing the better strikes during the last 45 seconds of round 1.

Nico Musoke +310 (Live In-Play) $10.00 to win $31.00
Viscardi Andrade -125 12.50 to win $10.00
Andrade wins by 3 round decision +474 $5.00 to win $23.70
Nico Musoke/Viscardi Andrade Over 1½ -170 $34.00 to win $20.00

lmao at Andrade almost getting the finish > raising his hands as if he won > almost gets submitted > gases in round 2 > continues to gas in round 3 and loses a decision.

I bet he feels terrible.

I was also able to hit Musoke at -160 after round 2.

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Since all of these fights are long due to the heat + humidity, I added a small bet on Silva/Sato starts round 2 at +117.

I hit Nico at +310 for .3 units.. kicking myself for not betting more andrade looked gassed after 1

LOLOLOLOL

Erik Silva = the UFC's best welterweight can crusher.

Was that Sato's first UFC fight? Is it normal for them to put the new guy up against a shark like Erik SIlva during the main card?

On February 15 2014 22:55 k4ir0s wrote: Was that Sato's first UFC fight? Is it normal for them to put the new guy up against a shark like Erik SIlva during the main card?

It was Sato's first UFC fight, he took it on semi-short notice. Erik Silva was supposed to fight Nate Loughran, but Loughran got injured.

won a over +1.5 bet on this fight, it was quite an adventure

On February 15 2014 23:21 Minsk wrote: won a over +1.5 bet on this fight, it was quite an adventure

Almost bet it, but decided against it. Congrats on the win.

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Not Souza inside distance +140 = cashes

Does anyone like Mousasi +5.5 at -145?

On February 15 2014 23:35 SeanBam wrote: Does anyone like Mousasi +5.5 at -145?

I'm personally unsure of where Mousasi is at right now in his career. This is his first fight in 11 months or so, due to the second knee surgery on the same knee.

I feel more comfortable betting o3.5 rounds with a hedge of Machida ITD or by KO/TKO.

'Have over 3.5 for now 6 units since its the last leg of my parlays, might take your advice and hedge machida itd. shall see.

Machida looks ripped. Best shape I've ever seen him in

I think Machida will win this fight decisively but wouldn't be surprised if it goes to decision and he gets fucked by the judges again

going to bed this whole card and night has been meh,

On February 16 2014 00:08 SeanBam wrote: going to bed this whole card and night has been meh,

Well, o3.5 just cashed.

As for the main event, everyone knew Machida/Mousasi would be boring as hell.

this is a boring main event

I knew this would be boring but seriously who do you give FOTN to?

nope, he couldnt find any significant hole in machidas standup.

Mousasi looked sluggish from the 3nd round on, he stopped backing and dodging attacks and instead just blocked and thats when Machida got really comfortable, not sure if that head kick had anything to do with it... how did he survive that kick btw wtf

On February 16 2014 00:16 SeanBam wrote: I knew this would be boring but seriously who do you give FOTN to?

Funny enough, I still give it to the 2 fighters who I thought would win it prior to the event starting. Blanco/Arantes

They're the only two guys who went back and forth in their fight and weren't gassed, and made it look interesting.

I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray.

On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray.

Actually, you are right about Yuri vs. Reis, I forgot about that fight. Musoke vs. Andrade is a decent one too.

In terms of most interesting, I think the fights go like this:

1. Yuri/Reis
2. Arantes/Blanco
3. Musoke/Andrade

Lyoto Machida def. Gegard Mousasi - Decision (unanimous) (49-46, 50-45, 50-45)

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The following fighters were awarded $50,000 bonuses:

Fight of The Night: Lyoto Machida vs. Gegard Mousasi
Performances of the Night: Erick Silva and Charles Oliveira

Are you serious... FOTN was machida.. Okay if that's how its viewed this is the worst ufc card I've ever seen.

risked over $500 on this card.. lost $1. Went way too crazy on Tumenov.

My results

+ Show Spoiler +

nice job PR

On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray.

lay and pray? he dominated the fight all the way with the exeption of that haymaker that caught him

Dumb event, lost the big ones and won the small.

On February 16 2014 01:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray. lay and pray? he dominated the fight all the way with the exeption of that haymaker that caught him

It was a lay and pray from a dominant position. I think the back body triangle let's the fighter do essentially nothing. It's viewed as such a dominant position in the UFC so even if you do not throw punches or don't look hard for RNC you won't get stood up. Jacare employed the exact same strategy on Carmont. Granted, I'm not saying this isn't a dominant position, what I am saying is that once you are in this position the aggressor can basically just hold, and it's up to the defender to do everything to get out of it even if they aren't in some sort of immediate danger.

Won every bet I made this event lol except Machida/Mousasi go to draw for $20.00

$100.00 $195.04 Win 4 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1001 Gegard Mousasi/Lyoto Machida Over 3½ -165*
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1155* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm Props Fighting 1637 Marcello/Proctor starts round 2 -287* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 8:00pm Props Fighting 2037 Blanco/Arantes starts round 2 -394* vs Fight won't start round 2

$150.00 $157.15 Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1001 Gegard Mousasi/Lyoto Machida Over 3½ -170*
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm UFC Fighting 1102 Ronaldo Souza -550* vs Francis Carmont
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1100* vs Takenori Sato

$150.00 $96.83 Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -900* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1042 Any other result -310* vs Machida wins by TKO/KO
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1108 Not Carmont by 3 round decision -835* vs Carmont wins by 3 round decision

$100.00 $165.64 Win 4 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -900* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 8:00pm UFC Fighting 1501 Charles Oliveira -600* vs Andy Ogle
Win 2/15/14 9:00pm Props Fighting 1055 Mousasi/Machida starts round 3 -265* vs Fight won't start round 3
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm Props Fighting 1137 Carmont /Souza starts round 2 -205* vs Fight won't start round 2

$250.00 $159.10 Win 3 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1200* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 11:59pm Props Fighting 1057 Mousasi/Machida starts round 2 -628* vs Fight won't start round 2
Win 2/15/14 10:00pm Props Fighting 1637 Marcello/Proctor starts round 2 -330* vs Fight won't start round 2

$150.00 $239.17 Win 5 Team Parlay
Win 2/15/14 11:30pm UFC Fighting 1201 Erick Silva -1100* vs Takenori Sato
Win 2/15/14 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1501 Charles Oliveira -650* vs Andy Ogle
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All those back body triangles are lethal. It possibly a more dominant position than the mount. Its tremendously powerful knowledge to have for fighters, and I see some of the best brazilians be able to get that position almost at will against some weaker fighters.

On February 16 2014 16:58 Minsk wrote: All those back body triangles are lethal. It possibly a more dominant position than the mount. Its tremendously powerful knowledge to have for fighters, and I see some of the best brazilians be able to get that position almost at will against some weaker fighters.

I highly disagree. It's a position that is easy to keep for the remainder of the round, but it's also one that's hard to do damage from or threaten your opponent from. Which has been quite evident as we've seen lot's of back mount body triangles lately and it's basically just a guy holding onto the back and fishing for RNC, not getting close, and round ending.

We seen Maia have Fitch's back for 3 rounds and nothing, Jacare have Carmonts back for 2 rounds and nothing. Josh have Bendos for awhile. When you got the body triangle your only real submission opportunity is the RNC since your legs are locked up and you can't transition to the armbar. You can't get any leverage for hard punches.
Mount you have way more options for submissions, can deal way more damage. Down side is it's way harder to keep. But if you get it, it's way more dominant than back mount imo.


Whenever I see someone take the back with body triangle now I just sigh. I know 90% chance the rest of the round is going to be them fighting for a RNC and it basically being a stalemate. Not a fan of it.

The part thats harder to notice but makes a huge impact is the pressure put on by the body triangle itself. Its really bad situation as a fighter to be stuck in a body triangle thats completely impossible to get out of while your opponent is relaxing and punching at will and constantly having to dodge submissions while also having your energy sapped from the triangle. Most of the time by the time that round ends the fighter that was in the triangle has almost no chance to win, and its nearly impossible to escape.

They also get to lose that round (1/3) is huge, and theres also pretty much no bad situations that come come out of it for the triangle master.

On February 16 2014 08:51 SeanBam wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2014 01:34 Baalim wrote:   On February 16 2014 00:24 SeanBam wrote: I'm almost thinking either iuri/reis or musoke/andrade. I think the comeback even though it was by lay and pray. lay and pray? he dominated the fight all the way with the exeption of that haymaker that caught him It was a lay and pray from a dominant position. I think the back body triangle let's the fighter do essentially nothing. It's viewed as such a dominant position in the UFC so even if you do not throw punches or don't look hard for RNC you won't get stood up. Jacare employed the exact same strategy on Carmont. Granted, I'm not saying this isn't a dominant position, what I am saying is that once you are in this position the aggressor can basically just hold, and it's up to the defender to do everything to get out of it even if they aren't in some sort of immediate danger.

he was beating the shit out of him on the stand up too, and then took down and took the back of a BJJ world champion, that is not lay and pray, that is absolute dominance, obviously he isnt going to submit a world champion easily, but simply willingly taking the fight to the ground against one takes balls and to dominate him, takes skill, i think musoke is a guy to watch in the future.

its just super hard to finish from the back in MMA. without a gi and with the gloves its pretty easy to just protect your neck and fight off any choke attempts. not to mention you can actually throw punches when someone has your back he has to defend those. its still a dominant position because you cant mount any significant offense and are in constant danger but very defendable.

the exception is belly down back position which is just the worst possible spot to be in. completely GG from there