today's session

woooow, unlucky, but post us this +1000$ hand or so!

3 biggest hands, rest was mostly me getting it in as a 2 to 1 favorite pre/postflop and being sucked out

Submitted by : the cleaner

PokerStars Hand #84542999483: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2012/08/10 14:31:13 ET
Table Sicilia 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: jinshan0809 ($1586.30 in chips)
Seat 2: BlackWdnsday ($1107.54 in chips)
Seat 3: BonusOnTilt ($653.60 in chips)
Seat 4: hizintak ($3410.60 in chips)
Seat 5: the clêaner ($522.73 in chips)
Seat 6: Password222 ($740.42 in chips)
the clêaner: posts small blind $0.50
Password222: posts big blind $1
jinshan0809: posts the ante $0.20
BlackWdnsday: posts the ante $0.20
BonusOnTilt: posts the ante $0.20
hizintak: posts the ante $0.20
the clêaner: posts the ante $0.20
Password222: posts the ante $0.20

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to the clêaner
jinshan0809: raises $2.50 to $3.50
BlackWdnsday: calls $3.50
BonusOnTilt: folds
hizintak: raises $12.07 to $15.57
the clêaner: raises $42.43 to $58
Password222: folds
jinshan0809: calls $54.50
BlackWdnsday: folds
hizintak: calls $42.43

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $178.50)

   
the clêaner: bets $127.36
jinshan0809: calls $127.36
hizintak: calls $127.36

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $560.58)

   
the clêaner: bets $337.17 and is all-in
jinshan0809: calls $337.17
hizintak: calls $337.17

River (Pot : $1,572.09)

   
jinshan0809: checks
hizintak: bets $241.54
jinshan0809: folds
Uncalled bet ($241.54) returned to hizintak

Showdown
hizintak: shows (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
the clêaner: shows (two pair, Kings and Queens)
the clêaner collected $1570.49 from pot

Summary
Total pot $1573.29 | Rake $2.80
Board  
Seat 1: jinshan0809 folded on the River
Seat 2: BlackWdnsday folded before Flop
Seat 3: BonusOnTilt folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: hizintak (button) showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 5: the clêaner (small blind) showed and won ($1570.49) with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 6: Password222 (big blind) folded before Flop

PokerStars Hand #84533885398: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2012/08/10 10:32:52 ET
Table Sicilia 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jinshan0809 ($562.20 in chips)
Seat 2: BlackWdnsday ($1919.76 in chips)
Seat 3: BonusOnTilt ($1573.59 in chips)
Seat 4: hizintak ($556.50 in chips)
Seat 5: the clêaner ($493.81 in chips)
Seat 6: Password222 ($662.54 in chips)
BonusOnTilt: posts small blind $0.50
hizintak: posts big blind $1
jinshan0809: posts the ante $0.20
BlackWdnsday: posts the ante $0.20
BonusOnTilt: posts the ante $0.20
hizintak: posts the ante $0.20
the clêaner: posts the ante $0.20
Password222: posts the ante $0.20

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to the clêaner
the clêaner: raises $2 to $3
Password222: folds
jinshan0809: calls $3
BlackWdnsday: folds
BonusOnTilt: raises $13 to $16
hizintak: folds
the clêaner: calls $13
jinshan0809: calls $13

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $49.00)

   
BonusOnTilt: bets $32
the clêaner: calls $32
jinshan0809: raises $38.50 to $70.50
BonusOnTilt: folds
the clêaner: calls $38.50

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $222.00)

   
the clêaner: checks
jinshan0809: bets $184
the clêaner: raises $223.11 to $407.11 and is all-in
jinshan0809: calls $223.11

River (Pot : $1,036.22)

   

Showdown
the clêaner: shows (three of a kind, Nines)
jinshan0809: shows (a straight flush, Six to Ten)
jinshan0809 collected $1034.62 from pot

Summary
Total pot $1037.42 | Rake $2.80
Board  
Seat 1: jinshan0809 showed and won ($1034.62) with a straight flush, Six to Ten
Seat 2: BlackWdnsday (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: BonusOnTilt (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: hizintak (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: the clêaner showed and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 6: Password222 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

PokerStars Hand #84535461584: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2012/08/10 11:16:52 ET
Table Sicilia 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: jinshan0809 ($353.33 in chips)
Seat 2: BlackWdnsday ($1880.60 in chips)
Seat 3: BonusOnTilt ($1205.35 in chips)
Seat 4: hizintak ($1417.47 in chips)
Seat 5: the clêaner ($491.78 in chips)
Seat 6: Password222 ($596.52 in chips)
jinshan0809: posts small blind $0.50
BlackWdnsday: posts big blind $1
jinshan0809: posts the ante $0.20
BlackWdnsday: posts the ante $0.20
BonusOnTilt: posts the ante $0.20
hizintak: posts the ante $0.20
the clêaner: posts the ante $0.20
Password222: posts the ante $0.20

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to the clêaner
BonusOnTilt: raises $2 to $3
hizintak: folds
the clêaner: calls $3
Password222: folds
jinshan0809: raises $9.50 to $12.50
BlackWdnsday: folds
BonusOnTilt: calls $9.50
the clêaner: calls $9.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $38.50)

   
jinshan0809: bets $40
BonusOnTilt: folds
the clêaner: calls $40

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $118.50)

   
jinshan0809: bets $104.50
the clêaner: raises $334.58 to $439.08 and is all-in
jinshan0809: calls $196.13 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($138.45) returned to the clêaner

River (Pot : $719.76)

   

Showdown
jinshan0809: shows (a flush, Jack high)
the clêaner: mucks hand
jinshan0809 collected $718.16 from pot

Summary
Total pot $720.96 | Rake $2.80
Board  
Seat 1: jinshan0809 (small blind) showed and won ($718.16) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 2: BlackWdnsday (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: BonusOnTilt folded on the Flop
Seat 4: hizintak folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: the clêaner mucked
Seat 6: Password222 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

back to 50nl

hang in there man brighter days will come

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wow brutal ...

25 buy-ins of EV in one session. Yep. That's probably the worst I've ever seen. Just disgusting. I feel for you man.

On August 10 2012 15:25 the cleaner wrote: back to 50nl

maybe some of the HS regulars can borrow you 1k or 2

fuck, gl man

These are some big, big pots you are getting into, what the fuck. 16bi pot...

At any rate, disgusting session. It's funny how when the game is the same, but whenever you move up you are met by some insane variance that knocks you down a few times.

Looked like good action/games! Sorry you couldnt capitalize.

Why didn't u stop playing around hand 2840? U were already down 17BI and prolly tilted as shite. There is no shame in quitting to minimize the losses. By the hands u posted it seems u play deep tbls but still 17BI down in one session is a little too much regardless of the EV. U should've prolly quit after being down 10 BI that's more than enough of losses for one session. Flame if u wish but that's the truth in most cases

On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: Why didn't u stop playing around hand 2840? U were already down 17BI and prolly tilted as shite. There is no shame in quitting to minimize the losses. By the hands u posted it seems u play deep tbls but still 17BI down in one session is a little too much regardless of the EV. U should've prolly quit after being down 10 BI that's more than enough of losses for one session. Flame if u wish but that's the truth in most cases

Thanks tips, now go fuck yourself.

On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: Why didn't u stop playing around hand 2840? U were already down 17BI and prolly tilted as shite. There is no shame in quitting to minimize the losses. By the hands u posted it seems u play deep tbls but still 17BI down in one session is a little too much regardless of the EV. U should've prolly quit after being down 10 BI that's more than enough of losses for one session. Flame if u wish but that's the truth in most cases

these posts always sound ridiculous to me for some reason. im sure im not alone here...

On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: Why didn't u stop playing around hand 2840? U were already down 17BI and prolly tilted as shite. There is no shame in quitting to minimize the losses. By the hands u posted it seems u play deep tbls but still 17BI down in one session is a little too much regardless of the EV. U should've prolly quit after being down 10 BI that's more than enough of losses for one session. Flame if u wish but that's the truth in most cases

rofl, some players actually don't tilt and don't need pussy like stop loss
+ his hands and ev graph shows a different story

On August 10 2012 16:21 Bejamin1 wrote: 25 buy-ins of EV in one session. Yep. That's probably the worst I've ever seen. Just disgusting. I feel for you man.

hah it would blow your mind to see some hyper HUsng graphs, 25 under is like 3 times/week

glgl op, you'll get it back np

On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: Why didn't u stop playing around hand 2840? U were already down 17BI and prolly tilted as shite. There is no shame in quitting to minimize the losses. By the hands u posted it seems u play deep tbls but still 17BI down in one session is a little too much regardless of the EV. U should've prolly quit after being down 10 BI that's more than enough of losses for one session. Flame if u wish but that's the truth in most cases

hey man, appreciate your reply, but i usually do ok with tilting. i'm not really a big fan of stop loss. i usually just stop when tilt affects my play. wasn't the case today. I stopped when the fish busted his Bankroll, last hand he lost and only had 22$ left and didn't auto-rebuy. the guy dropped like 40 or 50bis at the table.

On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: Why didn't u stop playing around hand 2840? U were already down 17BI and prolly tilted as shite. There is no shame in quitting to minimize the losses. By the hands u posted it seems u play deep tbls but still 17BI down in one session is a little too much regardless of the EV. U should've prolly quit after being down 10 BI that's more than enough of losses for one session. Flame if u wish but that's the truth in most cases

didnt you hear that you have to grind till you are in green

On August 10 2012 18:20 the cleaner wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: Why didn't u stop playing around hand 2840? U were already down 17BI and prolly tilted as shite. There is no shame in quitting to minimize the losses. By the hands u posted it seems u play deep tbls but still 17BI down in one session is a little too much regardless of the EV. U should've prolly quit after being down 10 BI that's more than enough of losses for one session. Flame if u wish but that's the truth in most cases hey man, appreciate your reply, but i usually do ok with tilting. i'm not really a big fan of stop loss. i usually just stop when tilt affects my play. wasn't the case today. I stopped when the fish busted his Bankroll, last hand he lost and only had 22$ left and didn't auto-rebuy. the guy dropped like 40 or 50bis at the table.

looool wtf ?
40-50 bi in one session ?
WTF

(I would never quit with a monsterwhale like jinshan btw , no need to be rude tho ...)

On August 10 2012 18:07 HiyAfOu wrote: On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: rofl, some players actually don't tilt and don't need pussy like stop loss + his hands and ev graph shows a different story

There's maybe a handful of HSNL players that don't tilt at all and not get affected whatsoever by a 17BI swing in one session. No matter how good u are, there's not ONE person playing as good when loosing as he is when winning. I presume you prolly are one of the people that could use the "pussy like stop loss". btw Phil Ivey frequently used stop loss at nosebleeds @ftp and is up like 8figs. GL

dude, you are missing the point. i'm probably not playing my 100pct game. but i have a huge whale at the table and in this situation i'm massively EV, even if i'm not playing my A game. Phil wouldn't use the stop loss vs Guy L. some people use stop losses other don't. as i said i usualy just try to grind till i feel tired or tilted. it happens and then i usualy stop. this has been my worst day running below ev wise, but i have been down 15buy ins before and been able to get back to even. and it's not that i'm careless with the money and stuff, cause poker pays for all my expenses (wife+kids).

Wow. Had no clue there was fish at 100NL that bought in 5+ times lol. Always thought PS was a reg fest.

Seeing these kind of blogposts helps me with my downswings, I don't feel as bad about my -10bi s now

Also I'm with you on stoploss thing. It's very very different between every person and even if you don't play your A game, playing your B with huge fish is fine, it's all about the EV. (say you go down from 20/bb100 to 15bb/100 or whatever, how can it be a bad idea to continue?)

Good luck

as long as you can afford to do so, you should never quit these games, they look ridiculous

sucks. Someone should really stake you to play jinshan again at least, since jinshan plays almost every day.

On August 10 2012 19:00 the cleaner wrote: dude, you are missing the point. i'm probably not playing my 100pct game. but i have a huge whale at the table and in this situation i'm massively EV, even if i'm not playing my A game. Phil wouldn't use the stop loss vs Guy L. some people use stop losses other don't. as i said i usualy just try to grind till i feel tired or tilted. it happens and then i usualy stop. this has been my worst day running below ev wise, but i have been down 15buy ins before and been able to get back to even. and it's not that i'm careless with the money and stuff, cause poker pays for all my expenses (wife+kids).

I wasn't answering you with the last post. I now understand why you haven't quit. Cannot quite agree with you, but that's just my opinion. I think that continuing playing after being down 10+ BI is (if ever) only EV+ when you are overrolled for the limit (and from what you have written, you were not because you are moving down to nl50 now). Even if there is a huge fish playing at the table, there are other players too and you cannot avoid playing hands with them. Playing your B(C(D)) game at the time can be costly regardless of the table being good. As Tom said: as long as you can afford it you should never quit. This is particulary true, when you play for a living IMO.

thanks guys !

On August 10 2012 19:41 TalentedTom wrote: as long as you can afford to do so, you should never quit these games, they look ridiculous

this and especially that Jinshan dude that puts his money always behind it seems... At some point you shall prevail and fest on him

welcome to deeppoker swings

can be brutal

On August 10 2012 18:47 fishyy88 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2012 18:07 HiyAfOu wrote: On August 10 2012 17:39 fishyy88 wrote: rofl, some players actually don't tilt and don't need pussy like stop loss + his hands and ev graph shows a different story There's maybe a handful of HSNL players that don't tilt at all and not get affected whatsoever by a 17BI swing in one session. No matter how good u are, there's not ONE person playing as good when loosing as he is when winning. I presume you prolly are one of the people that could use the "pussy like stop loss". btw Phil Ivey frequently used stop loss at nosebleeds @ftp and is up like 8figs. GL

You are seriously retarded. Not only does his graph show a completely different story than the desperate argument you are trying to make, but it is quite clear the game was built around one player. I wouldn't leave either if someone as bad as Jin was still reloading. You know nothing Jon Snow.

Doesn't the variance go through the roof with bigger stacks? Like, this might not have been a normal session but it's nowhere near as obscene as losing 25bi playing 100bb, if it's 300bb+ all the time this feels like a slightly below average losing session. Which would mean you're playing in a very good game, but heavily underrolled. Also, labeling it as "25bi ev downswing" seems like a rationalization to playing underrolled and dropping few buyins, which turn out to be a huge chunk of your roll. Can't say I blame you though, one sick fish you had there.