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edzwoo United States. Jan 02 2012 13:31. Posts 5911 | | |
These forums are getting a bit quiet so I'll just post a casual hand.
Submitted by : edzwoo
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Merge
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 02, 12:32:42 ET 2012
Table Kentucky 46326165 Real Money
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $49.23 USD - VPIP: 62, PFR: 55, 3B: 38, AF: 1.8, Hands: 252
Seat 2: Hero $44.82 USD - VPIP: 39, PFR: 29, 3B: 6, AF: 2.7, Hands: 6190
Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
Holecards
Dealt to Hero [  ]
Hero raises [$0.65 USD]
Player1 raises [$2.00 USD]
Hero calls [$1.50 USD]
Flop (Pot : $4.15)
  
Player1 bets [$3.00 USD]
Hero calls [$3.00 USD]
Turn (Pot : $10.15)
Player1 checks
Hero
He thought for about 5-10 seconds and checked.
To describe villain, he is VERY aggro when the pot is small (40% 3bet, raises flop about 20% of the time and folds a third of the time), but he tends to get nervous/conservative when the pot inflates. He is very passive on turns and rivers; I don't think I saw him make a single turn or river raise the entire match, and he's folded 4 of the 5 times I've 4bet him pre. I've barreled him off a lot of what I believe may be midpair type hands, and probably even top pair a few times. I've also seen him play cautious with AA vs my raise with 98 on JTx.
At this point of the match though, I think he views me as really aggro and potentially tilted because I've been 3betting his flop raises a lot since I started flopping a lot of draws. I had the chance to commit to at least 3 good river allin situations and he's folded every one after tanking a lot.
He's called a small river bet with J high on T7xxx vs my A high, but I think he missclicked. I don't think I've seen him call a river with much worse than a strong midpair.
I'm betting turn unless someone has another idea, but what's my sizing and plan for all the rivers? |
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player999 Brasil. Jan 02 2012 14:08. Posts 7978 | | |
bomb bomb unless maybe an A falls? what seems to be the problem?
if he raises soulread call or soulread fold |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Jan 02 2012 16:49. Posts 8648 | | |
ya i'd b-f turn and river |
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Endo United States. Jan 02 2012 17:04. Posts 953 | | |
Edit: Actually I think I like blockbetting J+ rivers and folding to raises |
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player999 Brasil. Jan 02 2012 17:21. Posts 7978 | | |
| | On January 02 2012 16:04 Endo wrote:
Edit: Actually I think I like blockbetting J+ rivers and folding to raises |
you mean valuebetting |
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jan 02 2012 18:32. Posts 2539 | | |
Is his 3bet stat pre flop or all streets? Cuz 38% is ridic high if its just pre flop, which means his 3bet range is extremely wide and puts his flop cbet range to have alot of air here.. like almost always... If we bet on turn he is most likely to fold. But we cant ever check here. I like betting small (50-60%), to try to tag him along with his over cards and hope the river blanks.. If any face cards on river, he gets to act first and we can evaluate then...I dont think we are ever going to get a serious amount of money out of him on this board texture unless he hits, so betting small and trying to get him to call down with A high is my plan...
btw, those stats for you, I am guessing that includes 6max aswell, cuz them stats for HU are kinda nitty? :o |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Jan 02 2012 18:40. Posts 8648 | | |
i think the 38% 3bet is more of a reason to bet bigger if anything since there's actually a reasonable chance of him having some kind of 7x, if he had like <10% 3b he almost never has 7x. if he does have A-high he's going to herocall sometimes regardless, i think betting smaller misses more value overall. |
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you are playing 39/29 in heads up? |
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i like a flop reraise here esp with stack sizes
as played bet turn and bet river, if he CR turn i'd prob call him down |
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edzwoo United States. Jan 02 2012 20:03. Posts 5911 | | |
| | On January 02 2012 18:23 traxamillion wrote:
you are playing 39/29 in heads up? |
i was playing 55/45 with 18% 3bet, it's mixed in from some really old fr and 6max games when hero was first advertised.
3bet% is for pre only, he has a REALLY wide range on the turn. also keep in mind its 200bbs deep. |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Jan 02 2012 20:24. Posts 8648 | | |
| | On January 02 2012 19:03 edzwoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 18:23 traxamillion wrote:
you are playing 39/29 in heads up? |
3bet% is for pre only,
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what else could it be for  |
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edzwoo United States. Jan 02 2012 21:08. Posts 5911 | | |
| | On January 02 2012 19:02 TalentedTom wrote:
i like a flop reraise here esp with stack sizes
as played bet turn and bet river, if he CR turn i'd prob call him down |
I like the idea of a flop raise here because I've been able to raise boards like Axx with any A and get value out of K high when checked down or midpairs, but I don't really know how I'd proceed vs a 3bet or further streets. |
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soberstone United States. Jan 02 2012 22:58. Posts 2662 | | |
If he really views you as aggro and is tilted than in his mind he is justifying a c/c w/ Ax or a smaller pair or c/ring w/ air, so based on your description I'm betting and not going anywhere. I think folding here is bad even though him c/ring is less then ideal. And def not checking behind the turn. |
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PillPoppin United States. Jan 03 2012 00:25. Posts 71 | | |
4bet pre
as played check back the turn to induce a bluff unless you think hes 3betting a bunch of 7x hands. If he checks the river i think overbetting is the way to go. |
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| | On January 02 2012 23:25 PillPoppin wrote:
4bet pre
as played check back the turn to induce a bluff unless you think hes 3betting a bunch of 7x hands. If he checks the river i think overbetting is the way to go. |
juding from this post you sound like one of those really aggro preflop regs who has no idea how to play postflop ;-0 |
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edzwoo United States. Jan 03 2012 01:37. Posts 5911 | | |
| | On January 02 2012 19:24 bigredhoss wrote:
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On January 02 2012 19:03 edzwoo wrote:
| | On January 02 2012 18:23 traxamillion wrote:
you are playing 39/29 in heads up? |
3bet% is for pre only,
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what else could it be for |
chewits was asking if it was for postflop 3bets too because that happened a lot |
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bigredhoss Cook Islands. Jan 03 2012 02:03. Posts 8648 | | | |
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PillPoppin United States. Jan 03 2012 12:07. Posts 71 | | |
| | On January 03 2012 00:04 TalentedTom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 23:25 PillPoppin wrote:
4bet pre
as played check back the turn to induce a bluff unless you think hes 3betting a bunch of 7x hands. If he checks the river i think overbetting is the way to go. |
juding from this post you sound like one of those really aggro preflop regs who has no idea how to play postflop ;-0
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I think you're failing to realize that in this hand the hero is playing vs one of them. versus a 38% 3bet its probably worthwhile to up your 4bet to include 99. Otherwise, there is a ton of merit for taking lines that don't make sense with value hands. |
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| | On January 03 2012 11:07 PillPoppin wrote:
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On January 03 2012 00:04 TalentedTom wrote:
| | On January 02 2012 23:25 PillPoppin wrote:
4bet pre
as played check back the turn to induce a bluff unless you think hes 3betting a bunch of 7x hands. If he checks the river i think overbetting is the way to go. |
juding from this post you sound like one of those really aggro preflop regs who has no idea how to play postflop ;-0
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I think you're failing to realize that in this hand the hero is playing vs one of them. versus a 38% 3bet its probably worthwhile to up your 4bet to include 99. Otherwise, there is a ton of merit for taking lines that don't make sense with value hands. |
you may not know this, but the goal of poker is to make money, the EV of 4-bet getting it in with 99 200bb deep is thin / losing. There are exceptions, but if hero had a good read on the dynamic in the match he would not be posting here
furthermore if villian sucks postflop, that's where we should be taking him as often as possible, especialyl in position - it's where we are going to make the most money in the match. he will also be pissed that he is missing the flops very often (which most hands do) - whereas im sure hes more then happy to just jam his AQo or TT preflop |
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soberstone United States. Jan 03 2012 17:25. Posts 2662 | | |
| | On January 03 2012 12:37 TalentedTom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 11:07 PillPoppin wrote:
| | On January 03 2012 00:04 TalentedTom wrote:
| | On January 02 2012 23:25 PillPoppin wrote:
4bet pre
as played check back the turn to induce a bluff unless you think hes 3betting a bunch of 7x hands. If he checks the river i think overbetting is the way to go. |
juding from this post you sound like one of those really aggro preflop regs who has no idea how to play postflop ;-0
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I think you're failing to realize that in this hand the hero is playing vs one of them. versus a 38% 3bet its probably worthwhile to up your 4bet to include 99. Otherwise, there is a ton of merit for taking lines that don't make sense with value hands. |
you may not know this, but the goal of poker is to make money, the EV of 4-bet getting it in with 99 200bb deep is thin / losing. There are exceptions, but if hero had a good read on the dynamic in the match he would not be posting here
furthermore if villian sucks postflop, that's where we should be taking him as often as possible, especialyl in position - it's where we are going to make the most money in the match. he will also be pissed that he is missing the flops very often (which most hands do) - whereas im sure hes more then happy to just jam his AQo or TT preflop |
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