Tokwiro releases statement regarding UB

<img src="http://www.liquidpoker.net/staff/Pindarots/December08/tokwirologo.jpg" align="right" style="margin:5px; border:1px solid black;">As you could have read before, UltimateBet and their CEREUS-network have been involved in another "scandal". In this incident, their best known player Phil Hellmuth got shipped a big pot when his hand was actually worse than his opponent's hand. This caused a lot of discussion in the poker community, would they really be that stupid to cheat in a way that is so obvious, or is this caused by a glitch or bug in the software?

Tokwiro Enterprises, owner of both Absolute Poker and UltimateBet has released a statement regarding this incident. Obviously they don't admit that they cheated, but according to Tokwiro, it's a bug in their software and they have handled the problem accordingly. After a short investigation, they've released the following statement:

"On Saturday, December 20, 2008, two players DOUBLEBALLER and PHILHELLMUTH were playing heads up at a 200/400 table on UltimateBet.com. DOUBLEBALLER won hand #1162170993. The software malfunctioned and awarded the losing player PHILHELLMUTH the pot, instead of the actual winner DOUBLEBALLER. After learning of the incident, we credited the player the correct prize to his account. We then began an investigation into the malfunction. We have now completed our preliminary investigation into the software malfunction regarding an incorrect payout in hand #1162170993 on the CEREUS Poker Network.

We have concluded that the malfunction occurred because the winning player disconnected from the table at the precise millisecond when the software was awarding the pot, in conjunction with the "player's state" data being cleared from the memory cache.

"There is a prevention system in place designed to protect hand results against disconnections. However, after conduct<A name="cutnews"></A>ing an extensive source code analysis, we found logic in our code that we have enhanced to further ensure this malfunction cannot reoccur."

Everything looks to be solved, caused damage has been compensated and bugs in their software have been fixed.

Phil Hellmuth's response to the incident has been similarly predictable:
"The only time in my life where I’ve had one pair beat three of a kind is when I made a big bluff in a poker tournament and now because of a software malfunction in online poker. I am one of the most watched players on the Internet, and all I can say is that it is pretty obvious that there was no malicious intent and even more obvious that UB handled this problem well. Sometimes these things happen on the Internet. The important thing here is that I continue to have a ton of trust in UB’s software and new management team."

Although the case has been pretty much closed now, it will still have its effect on the already damaged reputation of UltimateBet and Absolute Poker.

*cou-bullshit-gh*

Phil plays as tight as a dolphinz @ssHole. He would never play 10 deuce the way that he did pre or post flop.

Standard business responses though.

who wouldve thought

On December 24 2008 08:02 VENOM wrote: *cou-bullshit-gh* Phil plays as tight as a dolphinz @ssHole. He would never play 10 deuce the way that he did pre or post flop. Standard business responses though.

man no one is that stupid to play tight when their playing heads up.



oh wait this is hellmuth...mybad.

As I said before, I really do think this was, most likely, a malfunction. There are two main reasons for this. One is that, even by the standards of the last scam, this is so outrageously stupid that no one could have truly believed it would work. Two is that Hellmuth is worth millions of dollars, he really does not need to cheat his way to several thousand in online poker. I think you guys are letting you prejudice against UB/Absolute (that is justified) and your hate for Hellmuth cloud your reasoning in this issue. While I am very wary of UB/ABS, I truly do believe that this is nothing but an honest screw up on their part, which has been corrected. Of course, I may be wrong, but I really don't think so.

On December 24 2008 08:45 phexac wrote: As I said before, I really do think this was, most likely, a malfunction. There are two main reasons for this. One is that, even by the standards of the last scam, this is so outrageously stupid that no one could have truly believed it would work. Two is that Hellmuth is worth millions of dollars, he really does not need to cheat his way to several thousand in online poker. I think you guys are letting you prejudice against UB/Absolute (that is justified) and your hate for Hellmuth cloud your reasoning in this issue. While I am very wary of UB/ABS, I truly do believe that this is nothing but an honest screw up on their part, which has been corrected. Of course, I may be wrong, but I really don't think so.

LoL is UB paying u to say this shit? HELL NO, any company part owned by freddy deeb is shady as fuk

On December 24 2008 08:55 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 24 2008 08:45 phexac wrote: As I said before, I really do think this was, most likely, a malfunction. There are two main reasons for this. One is that, even by the standards of the last scam, this is so outrageously stupid that no one could have truly believed it would work. Two is that Hellmuth is worth millions of dollars, he really does not need to cheat his way to several thousand in online poker. I think you guys are letting you prejudice against UB/Absolute (that is justified) and your hate for Hellmuth cloud your reasoning in this issue. While I am very wary of UB/ABS, I truly do believe that this is nothing but an honest screw up on their part, which has been corrected. Of course, I may be wrong, but I really don't think so. LoL is UB paying u to say this shit? HELL NO, any company part owned by freddy deeb is shady as fuk

Yes I am clearly paid for this. Only possible explanation for my use of logical argument.

its too stupid to be intentional imho.
especialy with that other shit still fresh in ppls minds

bullshit

On December 24 2008 08:02 VENOM wrote: *cou-bullshit-gh*

wat

Phil Hellmuth's response to the incident has been similarly predictable:
"The only time in my life where I’ve had one pair beat three of a kind is when I made a big bluff in a poker tournament and now because of a software malfunction in online poker. I am one of the most watched players on the Internet, and all I can say is that it is pretty obvious that there was no malicious intent and even more obvious that UB handled this problem well. Sometimes these things happen on the Internet. The important thing here is that I continue to have a ton of trust in UB’s software and new management team."




what a douche bag response. also phil hellmuth turning a pair into a bluff. yeah right.

fuck those motherfuckers and their shabby shady site. Never ever am i going to put one dollar on that shit site.

he obv had AA but misclicked the "change ur cards to T2" button on the river, stnd

On December 24 2008 08:45 phexac wrote: As I said before, I really do think this was, most likely, a malfunction. There are two main reasons for this. One is that, even by the standards of the last scam, this is so outrageously stupid that no one could have truly believed it would work. Two is that Hellmuth is worth millions of dollars, he really does not need to cheat his way to several thousand in online poker. I think you guys are letting you prejudice against UB/Absolute (that is justified) and your hate for Hellmuth cloud your reasoning in this issue. While I am very wary of UB/ABS, I truly do believe that this is nothing but an honest screw up on their part, which has been corrected. Of course, I may be wrong, but I really don't think so.

+1

Wouldn't play on their site though.

yeah right, you found logic in your code that you enhanced... more like lack of logic that you have since implemented.

and rofl at phil saying he's one of most watched internet players.

"We have concluded that the malfunction occurred because the winning player disconnected from the table at the precise millisecond when the software was awarding the pot, in conjunction with the "player's state" data being cleared from the memory cache."

Precise millisecond, never happened before, phil hellmuth wins the hand, santa claus is real and live in Arctica.

On December 24 2008 12:50 DustySwedeDude wrote: [QUOTE]On December 24 2008 08:45 phexac wrote: As I said before, I really do think this was, most likely, a malfunction. There are two main reasons for this. One is that, even by the standards of the last scam, this is so outrageously stupid that no one could have truly believed it would work. Two is that Hellmuth is worth millions of dollars, he really does not need to cheat his way to several thousand in online poker. I think you guys are letting you prejudice against UB/Absolute (that is justified) and your hate for Hellmuth cloud your reasoning in this issue. While I am very wary of UB/ABS, I truly do believe that this is nothing but an honest screw up on their part, which has been corrected. Of course, I may be wrong, but I really don't think so.

+2

I believe them. They made a mistake and now they corrected the mistaken part of their software. Noone is that stpid to cheat in such an obvious way and risk his whole reputation and so on for some Ks.

it does seem somewhat redic but the thing is, look at the hand history in question. extremely sketchy. hellmuth is a nit..

On December 24 2008 12:50 DustySwedeDude wrote: Show nested quote + On December 24 2008 08:45 phexac wrote: As I said before, I really do think this was, most likely, a malfunction. There are two main reasons for this. One is that, even by the standards of the last scam, this is so outrageously stupid that no one could have truly believed it would work. Two is that Hellmuth is worth millions of dollars, he really does not need to cheat his way to several thousand in online poker. I think you guys are letting you prejudice against UB/Absolute (that is justified) and your hate for Hellmuth cloud your reasoning in this issue. While I am very wary of UB/ABS, I truly do believe that this is nothing but an honest screw up on their part, which has been corrected. Of course, I may be wrong, but I really don't think so. +1 Wouldn't play on their site though.

Meh, I think I'd believe this is all just a malfunction but thing is, on that precise milli-second while he was playing Phil Hellmuth while I can't imagine him playing a lot of poker there, just some to promote the site and shit. Meh, happening in a hand with one of their sponsored players makes it look extremely sketchy...

Why has it not happened before then ? Probably 1.000.000 guys disconnecting before the exact same time as when a pot got shipped, but still it happened exactly with Phil Hellmuth tilting and losing a pot in a headsup match he is getting owned.

Hmmm... I wouldnt put money into that site And FOR SURE not play vs Phil Hellmuth there

oh im really surprised they didnt admit they were a bunch of cheating faggots for a 2nd time! zomg........... -_________-

This can only mean one thing...

PHIL HELLMUTH IS A DROP HACKER!!!

Way to shady.

zip it cheats :D

imo too much talk about sth that can best be fixed by not playing / giving a fck about their site. no concern of mine, sites like this can lick my ballz and still wont give a fck.

i predict the next post will be "ill never put a dollar in this shit site lolz"

On December 24 2008 08:45 phexac wrote: As I said before, I really do think this was, most likely, a malfunction. There are two main reasons for this. One is that, even by the standards of the last scam, this is so outrageously stupid that no one could have truly believed it would work. Two is that Hellmuth is worth millions of dollars, he really does not need to cheat his way to several thousand in online poker. I think you guys are letting you prejudice against UB/Absolute (that is justified) and your hate for Hellmuth cloud your reasoning in this issue. While I am very wary of UB/ABS, I truly do believe that this is nothing but an honest screw up on their part, which has been corrected. Of course, I may be wrong, but I really don't think so.

and on top of that hellmuth's winrate is like 2bb/100 instead of 50bb/100 of the earlier cheaters (or what was it?)

and if UB wanted to cheat players out of their money why would they let their posterboy in on it

and if they needed this money so bad why would they let their cheater play so few hands

why pick a hand where the other guy has trip kings to cheat

the only way i can believe this was a cheat is if someone else with less money was on hellmuth's account or something or if their motive for cheating was not money but "making things more spectacular"

Think people, think...

They obviously said the truth in this statement and there is no hidden conspiracy to let Hellmuth earn a couple bucks. Of course it is not the first scandal UB has been involved in, but the only thing it shows is you cannot trust the people who work there as well as the bugged software.
Intentional - no, but says a lot about the whole company. It is just better not to play there, period.

TEN-DEUCE'd to avoid phils rage-o-meter crushing the whole internets

I am one of the most watched players on the Internet, hellmuth said
lol what s the traffic in ub?