Doug "WCGRider" Polk going against No Limit Bot for $100,000

This is a question being asked over and over again with computers becoming more powerful each day: can a computer bot beat a poker player? We already know that even the best human players can't compete against artificial intelligence in the game of chess, but what about more complex game of poker?

The challenge already started in Pittsburgh at 11am local time on Friday and will be running every day for eight hours until May 7th. The human team is being represented by online professional Doug ‘WCGRider’ Polk and his three colleagues. They will be going against ‘Claudico’, a computer program designed by a team at Carnegie Mellon University.

The results should be really interesting, as the game is heads up No Limit Hold’em challenge.
Last time scientists claimed another poker bot, ‘Cepheus’, could play perfect Limit Hold’em and beat or go even against any opponent over long periods of time. No Limit Hold'em is way more complex though.

There is also $100,000 on the lane, as Rivers Casino along with Microsoft put up that kind of price for a player that wins over the course of 80,000 hands against Claudico.

“It’s pretty cool to be at the cutting edge of technology like this”, said Polk. “I hope we can stand up for humanity and take this computer down. I know computers will eventually be able to beat humans, but I hope we can make them go a few more rounds after this before they do.”

Creator of Claudico, Tuomas Sandholm, commented: “The No Limit game is so complicated it opens up more possible situations than there are atoms in the universe. We are using these algorithms for poker, but they are really developed for use in any game of incomplete information in general, from cyber security, to negotiations, to medicine.”

"We are using these algorithms for poker, but they are really developed for use in any game of incomplete information in general, from cyber security, to negotiations, to medicine"
That's a cool line. Time to study how this works

isnt his winrate higher than those 100k$ for 80k hands

I hope they post EV graph

On April 26 2015 13:14 Spitfiree wrote: isnt his winrate higher than those 100k$ for 80k hands

I guess he'll play it when he can't get action and replace some of his study time with playing the bot - should be beneficial to him if the bot's really good.

The added EV is in the Exposure he gets - I'm sure it has some value to become known to the general public too? It certainly will if he decides to monetize it through streaming/sponsorships/even job after poker when Microsoft's involved.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/stream/claudico_extra

Who is Jason Les?

is he freerolling this for 100k?

epic, keep us updated pls

On April 26 2015 18:20 dnagardi wrote: epic, keep us updated pls

Freeroll for 1$/Hand is worth anyone's time. Plus non monetary factors

I have been watching donger and Polk min lead a ton on flops oop; from single raised pots to 4bet pots. I'm assuming they are trying to exploit the bot and this is not actually what they consider optimal strategy.

They do experiment on exploiting the bot. Doug c, c, c/r a river bet of 469 to 20,000k all in after slow playing a nut straight on a 10KX, A, X and bot calls with one pair A3. Doubt if that call can be GTO.

They bot does play well though and was clearly giving donger problems

Pot was 500 on river in that hand

Just seen a little bit, i think it was a few days ago, funny situation. He'd been playing a bit, and the security guard had been watching a bit.

Then he said, something along the lines of "I've been watching u a bit, many of the lines you use, i do the same thing, but it's not working out that well for me. You think you could go over my game when you're done here?"

Doug said yeah, sure

are there streams of previous days?

On April 27 2015 01:52 Highcard wrote: are there streams of previous days?

http://www.twitch.tv/claudico_vs_dougpolk/profile/past_broadcasts

or go to past broadcasts of another player if you wanted someone else.

On April 26 2015 16:29 hiems wrote: Who is Jason Les?

On April 27 2015 05:52 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2015 16:29 hiems wrote: Who is Jason Les?

He is the only player of the 4 not considered top 10 but still a very strong player. Name Cheet.

On April 26 2015 23:25 Mariuslol wrote: Just seen a little bit, i think it was a few days ago, funny situation. He'd been playing a bit, and the security guard had been watching a bit. Then he said, something along the lines of "I've been watching u a bit, many of the lines you use, i do the same thing, but it's not working out that well for me. You think you could go over my game when you're done here?" Doug said yeah, sure

That is hilarious/awesome. Hope Doug actually sweats him and gives him a little time lol

It's kinda sad they already know they're playing a bot. I'm more curious if they could "spot" a bot if they were to play on a poker software. Not controlled by a third party but actually made by the software itself.

On April 27 2015 17:58 RaiZ wrote: It's kinda sad they already know they're playing a bot. I'm more curious if they could "spot" a bot if they were to play on a poker software. Not controlled by a third party but actually made by the software itself.

I think that a bot sophisticated enough to hang w/ the highest stakes HU players would also be sophisticated enough to avoid detection (at least by it's opponents and possibly also by the client security).

Just off the top of my head

Timing randomization
Line randomization
Occasionally make human errors (timeout, misclick, etc)

can't imagine what someone who dedicates their lives to programming bots could think of to avoid detection

On April 27 2015 18:46 Smuft wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2015 17:58 RaiZ wrote: It's kinda sad they already know they're playing a bot. I'm more curious if they could "spot" a bot if they were to play on a poker software. Not controlled by a third party but actually made by the software itself. I think that a bot sophisticated enough to hang w/ the highest stakes HU players would also be sophisticated enough to avoid detection (at least by it's opponents and possibly also by the client security). Just off the top of my head Timing randomization Line randomization Occasionally make human errors (timeout, misclick, etc) can't imagine what someone who dedicates their lives to programming bots could think of to avoid detection

That's what concerns me. A bot made by the software itself doesn't need detection ? They're simply made in order to make us think their software is full of legit players. Thus making more rake til the last one. I really don't see any cons about it.

It's making online poker players more paranoid than they already are...

On April 27 2015 02:11 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2015 01:52 Highcard wrote: are there streams of previous days? http://www.twitch.tv/claudico_vs_dougpolk/profile/past_broadcasts or go to past broadcasts of another player if you wanted someone else.

thanks

tons of people back in day saying nobody could ever make a tough bot that can win. here we are now, some bot that can probably beat 400NL
in today's games. heh

On April 28 2015 05:03 whamm! wrote: tons of people back in day saying nobody could ever make a tough bot that can win. here we are now, some bot that can probably beat 400NL in today's games. heh

The key is headsup, the amount of variables in a ring game are so much more for a bot to handle, for us is no problem but how computer works its really difficult

On April 28 2015 07:23 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2015 05:03 whamm! wrote: tons of people back in day saying nobody could ever make a tough bot that can win. here we are now, some bot that can probably beat 400NL in today's games. heh The key is headsup, the amount of variables in a ring game are so much more for a bot to handle, for us is no problem but how computer works its really difficult

+1

lol poker turing test?

I don't understand the results? who is up?

On April 28 2015 21:19 casinocasino wrote: I don't understand the results? who is up?

A number in parenthesis means lost money.

Okay thanks? I want to know actual results, cant find information.

On April 28 2015 22:12 casinocasino wrote: Okay thanks? I want to know actual results, cant find information.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/stream/claudico_extra
I just assumed you knew where to look sorry.