Crazy stackoff by him imo.

its horrific yea

how would u guys play his hand then? c/c then fold on bad turnS?

This looks pretty standard to me.

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He gets it in crazy bad against any valuerange of Joe. Check/call flop sounds standard as does check/folding bad turns yeah. Not much you can do in that spot. I would prefer folding out right to the cbet over going broke on this flop. He's just bluffing essentially with that flop raise and then bluffcatching for some reason.

swear to me that you play this hand the same as villian wobbly

Lets calculate then:

Say I have button 3bet 8.5%, which might look sthg like this: TT+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo.

Furthermore say I will bet -> get it in with the following range (~3.5%)
Board: 3s 8s 5s

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.812% 20.47% 01.34% 7904 517.50 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 78.188% 76.85% 01.34% 29671 517.50 { JJ+, TcTs, TdTs, ThTs, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh, AsJc, AsJd, AsJh, AsTc, AsTd, AsTh }

He will only have about 22% equity vs such a range.

I will probably check back hands that have possible equity but are not good enough to get in. Like KxQs, KsQx, AxJs, ... Not sure exactly but I assume it is like 30% of the whole range. Lets discard any possible further betting in this scenario for simplification.

Then I will most likely bluff bet -> fold hands that I think have very little equity. I think that is the remaining ~30%. (most likely I will just check/give up some of the time but lets discard that for simplification)

So,
in about 41% of times he will be allin with 22% equity.
in about 30% of times it will probably gets checked to showdown and I will win like ~45% of times or so.
in about 29% of times I will bet/fold and he will win $124.

EV of c/r allin = 0.41 * (($1400 * 0.22) - 700) + 0.30 * (($129 * 0.55) - 60) + 0.29 * $124 = -161 + 3 + 36 = -$122.
EV of check/fold = -$60
Difference = $62

Obviously ranges may differ a lot and it may be even good vs some players. Its definately much closer than I thought it was before making this calculation.

(Edit: I didnt go over my calculations over again, so I am not claiming this is 100% correct.)

So were you bluffing when you shoved? If he shouldn't be calling with JJ with a spade, then what worse hands do you expect to call?