Submitted by : Daut

PokerStars Game #14143519838: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/12/27 - 21:32:27 (ET)
Table 'Pongola III' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: pacpeds ($180.05 in chips)
Seat 2: BigOwen ($786.70 in chips)
Seat 3: amcawker ($588 in chips)
Seat 4: hoodiewho ($151.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Daut44 ($957.95 in chips)
Seat 6: LuV222PoKHeR ($591 in chips)
Seat 7: Luckyretard ($537.85 in chips)
Seat 8: PrincessK ($726.15 in chips)
PrincessK: posts small blind $3
pacpeds: posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to Daut44
BigOwen: folds
amcawker: folds
hoodiewho: folds
Daut44 : raises $15 to $21
LuV222PoKHeR: folds
a320 leaves the table
Luckyretard: folds
PrincessK: calls $18
pacpeds: folds

Flop (Pot : $48.00)

   
PrincessK: checks
Daut44 : checks

Turn (Pot : $48.00)

   
PrincessK: bets $24
Daut44 : calls $24

River (Pot : $96.00)

   
PrincessK: bets $681.15 and is all-in

villain 24/14 over small sample

low stakes?

this opponent, i fold no hesitation

to elaborate, from what ive seen, this villain sucks

however, this villain is also pretty passive


maybe I didnt see enough though

wow that's sick

i can't ever see him over-bet shoving with lower flushes or Tx's; prob fold

also just out of curiosity, why didn't you raise the turn?

i think i almost always do although it may not be right to

and yeah i think this is a fold, i doubt he's doing this for value with a worse hand and i don't think he's bluffing ~50% of the time

fewld

i throw my balls into the muck along with my cards

pussies



Submitted by : Daut

POKERSTARS GAME #14143519838: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/12/27 - 21:32:27 (ET)
Table 'Pongola III' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: pacpeds ($180.05 in chips)
Seat 2: BigOwen ($786.70 in chips)
Seat 3: amcawker ($588 in chips)
Seat 4: hoodiewho ($151.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($957.95 in chips)
Seat 6: LuV222PoKHeR ($591 in chips)
Seat 7: Luckyretard ($537.85 in chips)
Seat 8: PrincessK ($726.15 in chips)
PrincessK: posts small blind $3
pacpeds: posts big blind $6

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
BigOwen: folds
amcawker: folds
hoodiewho: folds
Hero : raises $15 to $21
LuV222PoKHeR: folds
a320 leaves the table
Luckyretard: folds
PrincessK: calls $18
pacpeds: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $48.00)

   
PrincessK: checks
Hero : checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $48.00)

   
PrincessK: bets $24
Hero : calls $24

River (Pot : $96.00)

   
PrincessK: bets $681.15 and is all-in
Six Sticks joins the table at seat #9
Hero : calls $681.15

Showdown
PrincessK: shows (a pair of Tens)
Hero : shows (a flush, Ace high)
Hero collected $1455.30 from pot

Summary
Total pot $1458.30 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: pacpeds (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: BigOwen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: amcawker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hoodiewho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hero showed and won ($1455.30) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: LuV222PoKHeR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Luckyretard (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: PrincessK (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Tens

i tanked forever, called with about 4 seconds left on timebank. my reasoning was the way the hand played out, he had no reason to believe i had a ten or a flush, so there was no reason to overbet shove because theres no assurance he is enticing a call from a big hand that wouldnt otherwise raise the river

lol that's so bad

edit: posted before i saw your reasoning
don't fish do this with monsters all the time though?

On December 27 2007 22:16 Daut wrote: i tanked forever, called with about 4 seconds left on timebank. my reasoning was the way the hand played out, he had no reason to believe i had a ten or a flush, so there was no reason to overbet shove because theres no assurance he is enticing a call from a big hand that wouldnt otherwise raise the river

This is my lesson for the day on level thinking.

lmao he really wanted that pot

On December 27 2007 22:16 Daut wrote: i tanked forever, called with about 4 seconds left on timebank. my reasoning was the way the hand played out, he had no reason to believe i had a ten or a flush, so there was no reason to overbet shove because theres no assurance he is enticing a call from a big hand that wouldnt otherwise raise the river

it can be dangerous to assume villains actually think sometimes, although in this case you're reasoning led you to the right decision ;p

On December 27 2007 22:16 Daut wrote: i tanked forever, called with about 4 seconds left on timebank. my reasoning was the way the hand played out, he had no reason to believe i had a ten or a flush, so there was no reason to overbet shove because theres no assurance he is enticing a call from a big hand that wouldnt otherwise raise the river

Ever played Prahlad Friedman?

I agree with the analysis, I would've written something similar had you been less impatient with posting results. =]

lolololol A7o

you still suck and nice brag post fag

i hate you and hope you die today

just kidding ur a towel

Misclick? A7o Wtf? There is 90 in the pot, he coulda just potted it. LOL

And why can't he think you have a flush here? I don't get the reasoning... You can play that line with a backdoor flush draw, so why'd that be surprising to him if he's actually thinking (which it doesn't look like)?

snapcall (result oriented obv)

that's pretty sick call

On December 28 2007 03:21 JonnyCosMo wrote: And why can't he think you have a flush here? I don't get the reasoning... You can play that line with a backdoor flush draw, so why'd that be surprising to him if he's actually thinking (which it doesn't look like)?

I think its more likely villian isnt thinking at all and just panics cause hes not getting enough value out of his awesome quads or w/e.

I think its more likely villian isnt thinking at all and just panics cause hes not getting enough value out of his awesome quads or w/e.

well, i figured people would just keep saying fold, so i wanted to post my analysis and see what people thought about it.

i thought this situation was different from some others where people just shove because of the reasons i stated

Wouldnt you say its equally unreasonable to shove as a bluff here as it is to shove for value?

this kind of hand is purely dependent on how well you know opponent
imo most people who push like that are bluffing

On December 28 2007 09:55 SakiSaki wrote: Wouldnt you say its equally unreasonable to shove as a bluff here as it is to shove for value?

If it's equally reasonable it's +EV to look him up.

if u call w/ nutflush here u call w/ 99 as well...do u call w/ 99? o_O

On December 28 2007 11:00 tomson wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2007 09:55 SakiSaki wrote: Wouldnt you say its equally unreasonable to shove as a bluff here as it is to shove for value? If it's equally reasonable it's +EV to look him up.

TOMSON I LOVE YOU

On December 28 2007 11:43 n0rthf4ce wrote: if u call w/ nutflush here u call w/ 99 as well...do u call w/ 99? o_O

so he never does this with say KQcc?

So you fold all non-nut flushes?

that was sort of my thinking at the time but im not sure now which is why i posted the hand

ROFL

On December 27 2007 22:16 Daut wrote: i tanked forever, called with about 4 seconds left on timebank. my reasoning was the way the hand played out, he had no reason to believe i had a ten or a flush, so there was no reason to overbet shove because theres no assurance he is enticing a call from a big hand that wouldnt otherwise raise the river

With guys who are going to do this there can't be much logic. It's just really bad to overshove any hand here against you, so you just have to decide whether he values a flush high enough to shove it there. If he does call, but there's a lot of players who won't vlaue it high enough and only be pushing boats here. I think guys like this are thinking more about hand value than "he doesn't have a T or flush" or "worse big hands would raise the river."

and lol @ A7o

hahahahaahahaha what a fishstick

On December 28 2007 15:21 RaSZi wrote: i agree with everything myth said. This topic proves a couple things 1. You're narcistic. 2. You're a calling station. 3. You're a tourney donk now. Helga weeps.

HAHAHAHAAHAH

Touché, Raszi

On December 28 2007 15:21 RaSZi wrote: i agree with everything myth said. This topic proves a couple things 1. You're narcistic. 2. You're a calling station. 3. You're a tourney donk now. Helga weeps.

i dont think people who call down with 7 high on the river are qualified to deem others calling stations

unreal re-burn

oooo sick re re burn, gonna have to step this up a notch......



everyone can win a tournament true, but not even you are degen enough to bust my roll jumping to nosebleeds

lolllllll battle battle gogogo

i am closing this thread

everyone knows raszi is the best shit talker around, i have to abuse my mod power to take it down before he retaliates