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Handnr: 1077490
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Hand #172902778563: Holdem No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2017/07/11 14:47:30 ET
Table Ehrsson 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: OBORRA ($6533.70 in chips)
Seat 4: Educa-p0ker ($9343.35 in chips)
Seat 5: LLinusLLove ($5233 in chips)
OBORRA: posts small blind $25
Educa-p0ker: posts big blind $50
OBORRA: posts the ante $10
Educa-p0ker: posts the ante $10
LLinusLLove: posts the ante $10

Holecards(Odds)
LLinusLLove: raises $101 to $151
OBORRA: folds
Educa-p0ker: raises $424 to $575
LLinusLLove: calls $424

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1,175.00)

   8s2d4h
Educa-p0ker: bets $396.99
LLinusLLove: calls $396.99

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $1,968.98)

   8s2d4h8d
Educa-p0ker: bets $479.28
LLinusLLove: calls $479.28

River (Pot : $2,927.54)

   8s2d4h8dAc
Educa-p0ker: bets $7882.08 and is all-in
LLinusLLove: calls $3771.73 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($4110.35) returned to Educa-p0ker

Showdown
Educa-p0ker: shows AsJs (two pair, Aces and Eights)
LLinusLLove: shows AhQd (two pair, Aces and Eights - Queen kicker)
LLinusLLove collected $10499 from pot

Summary
Total pot $10501 | Rake $2
Board  8s2d4h8dAc
Seat 1: OBORRA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Educa-p0ker (big blind) showed AsJs and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 5: LLinusLLove (button) showed AhQd and won ($10499) with two pair, Aces and Eights


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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 03 2017 13:55. Posts 6540

He needs to be 3betting ALOT of suited hands or barreling turn with ALOT of highcards to make this river overbet GTO imo.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 03 2017 15:17. Posts 5291

I thought he might be sizing turn in a way where he can just bet his whole range again haha, but you lose too much ev doing that. I can't see this strategy being exploitive vs a good player like linuslove, and i can't see it being a simplified strategy, you can't do it with whole range, you have to split range into checks and bets no matter what your sizing is.

gto is: Jam AQdd, check AQss. check all AJs on the river.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 03 2017 16:24. Posts 6540

Im pretty good at approximating GTO on the fly imo. =)

I do think it depends on dynamic.. Maybe LLinus was extra cally or he was extra bluffy which shifted the AJ into a shove.

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drone666   Brasil. Oct 03 2017 22:42. Posts 1821

this hand is as standard as it gets and the shove is not even close on the river

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 04 2017 03:03. Posts 34246


  On October 03 2017 15:24 wobbly_au wrote:
Im pretty good at approximating GTO on the fly imo. =)

I do think it depends on dynamic.. Maybe LLinus was extra cally or he was extra bluffy which shifted the AJ into a shove.



You are not, GTO is very often counter intuitive, almost alwys split ranges and uses multiple unorthodox sizings

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Oct 04 2017 04:45. Posts 5291

I was giving a simplified answer, the solver check's a lot of Ax on river, range explorer has turn barreling range and turn flatting range to be basically every Ax they have in their preflop range, but there are a lot of pairs, 2x, 4x, pps, that get put in in a difficult spot after the turn barrel, so the solver checks a ton of Ax to protect their c/f range.

https://gyazo.com/1a2749a9e704c1e919b42cd43ad05d12

I think turn barrel sizing would work very well at the lower stakes because people would overfold.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 04 2017 05:01. Posts 6540


  On October 04 2017 02:03 Baalim wrote:
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You are not, GTO is very often counter intuitive, almost alwys split ranges and uses multiple unorthodox sizings



And why should I take your word for it? I will bet you I am way closer to GTO 7 years ago compared to you today. Just because you learned the fancy GTO theory in recent years doesn’t mean I didn’t know it long ago.

The fact that you constantly nut hug how good GTO is makes me realize how little you understand the minds of hsnl players. This GTO stuff is 101 for someone like me, please stop embarrassing yourself.

Get over yourself Baal

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 04 2017 08:26. Posts 34246



I will frame this as a reminder how ego can drive us to make a huge ass of ourselves.


I was going to make a big reply pointing out how unvelibably stupid your post is but I wont, I'm not sure if this is funny or just sad.

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wobbly_au   Australia. Oct 04 2017 08:35. Posts 6540

You are talking down to me like GTO is some new amazing concept which is ridiculous. Game theory has been applied to poker in the earliest of days.

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