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Handnr: 1077306
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Hand #167636331973: Holdem No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2017/03/15 17:35:21 ET
Table Perihelion II 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: OBORRA ($8435.45 in chips)
Seat 3: OtB_RedBaron ($6318.15 in chips)
Seat 4: LLinusLLove ($11703.80 in chips)
LLinusLLove: posts small blind $25
OBORRA: posts big blind $50
OBORRA: posts the ante $10
OtB_RedBaron: posts the ante $10
LLinusLLove: posts the ante $10

Holecards(Odds)
OtB_RedBaron: raises $88.35 to $138.35
LLinusLLove: folds
OBORRA: raises $411.65 to $550
OtB_RedBaron: raises $875 to $1425
OBORRA: calls $875

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2,875.00)

   5c3dTd
OBORRA: bets $870.90
OtB_RedBaron: calls $870.90

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $4,616.80)

   5c3dTd2d
OBORRA: bets $6129.55 and is all-in
OtB_RedBaron: calls $4012.25 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2117.30) returned to OBORRA
*** FIRST RIVER *** 5c3dTd2d 7h
*** SECOND RIVER *** 5c3dTd2d 2h
*** FIRST SHOW DOWN ***
OBORRA: shows KdAc (high card Ace)
OtB_RedBaron: shows ThQd (a pair of Tens)
OtB_RedBaron collected $6334.65 from pot
*** SECOND SHOW DOWN ***
OBORRA: shows KdAc (a pair of Deuces)
OtB_RedBaron: shows ThQd (two pair, Tens and Deuces)
OtB_RedBaron collected $6334.65 from pot

Summary
Total pot $12671.30 | Rake $2
Hand was run twice
Board  5c3dTd2d7h
Board  5c3dTd2d2h
Seat 1: OBORRA (big blind) showed KdAc and lost with high card Ace, and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 3: OtB_RedBaron (button) showed ThQd and won ($6334.65) with a pair of Tens, and won ($6334.65) with two pair, Tens and Deuces
Seat 4: LLinusLLove (small blind) folded before Flop



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zetzet   . Sep 25 2017 07:56. Posts 37

If solvers really show this as a correct line with AcKd here this is quite convincing evidence that OBORRA is using it realtime and just cheating. Same with that A8o handel where no human ever takes donkbet/call - donkbet line. Stars should improve their antybot security as times change and people will do this kind od things more often.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 25 2017 08:07. Posts 5289

I think the arguments that he is cheating with real time solvers in the high stakes hh's threads are quite convincing. Also, just looking over his preflop, in comparison to his postflop, is a big tell. He had some trivially un-gto preflop plays. So for example i saw him open 37o preflop hu against dammnerr, I can't remember the open size of the 37o hand but I think Libratus opened 85%~ for 2.5x. I just don't see high stakes players making simple mistakes like that when they can solve certain opening sizes for preflop, and just play that.

and yeah, some of the leading ranges are quite difficult for people to come up with, even for a player of top tier caliber, the A8o hand where he lead-call, then lead again on turn, is a very difficult range to construct-it's just extremely narrow with the range of hand's he is supposed to take that line with, and then he has to put that into his game along with the other 3 ranges of check call, check-jam, check-fold.

I used to play oborra at 500zoom about 4-5 years ago and they were considered one of the worst regs there as well, from what i remember.

I havn't seen any solver solution for this particular hand, but i'd be interested. I get a computer back with piosolver pro this week so i could do it then.

holdem is a dying game and someone should really be coming up with a variant of holdem that is too computationally complex for solvers to be created for it, so high stakes can be legit again.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 25/09/2017 08:09

zetzet   . Sep 25 2017 09:06. Posts 37

Imo system like in online chess should be implemented - you make too many 'computer' moves you get flagged and then if it persists banned.


wobbly_au   Australia. Sep 25 2017 13:51. Posts 6540

If no is really solved don’t play if.

The Last Laugh. 

drone666   Brasil. Sep 25 2017 22:11. Posts 1821

libratus plays waaay different than pio
so you can't compare the solutions, its fine to open 73o vs some players and you can also solve HU preflop with PIO

Dont listen to anything I say 

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Sep 27 2017 04:54. Posts 8646

Way out of the poker loop, but when you guys say he's using "real time solvers", do you mean he's using regular solvers with a super fast computer? Or that he's built (or had someone build) a custom solver that sometimes takes less time by using more shortcuts/approximations/etc.in its parameters?

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