Is the flop raise reasonable here?

If he does that with 88 sure
Wouldn't play like that vs a normal guy though, super wet board we're never getting it in good vs decent player, sure we have huge equity but wouldn't be enough. Exactly why I'd rather realize my equity than just let the poker gods decide my faith plus we re not drawing to the nuts flush which isn't too worrisome on this board I guess, but still minimizes our strength a bit

the flop raise is okay .... its +ev. the ev is probably similar to the ev of calling so it doesnt matter a lot, just raising is much higher variance. however, once you get 3bet, i am fairly sure that the ev of jamming is not as high as the ev of calling. maybe its close, im not really sure. i would never play the hand this way, i'd always just call the flop cuz i wanna keep my range as wide as possible.

On September 22 2015 12:36 Spitfiree wrote: If he does that with 88 sure Wouldn't play like that vs a normal guy though, super wet board we're never getting it in good vs decent player, sure we have huge equity but wouldn't be enough. Exactly why I'd rather realize my equity than just let the poker gods decide my faith plus we re not drawing to the nuts flush which isn't too worrisome on this board I guess, but still minimizes our strength a bit

not drawing to the nut flush on the flop when holding a pair is a positive thing....

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Board: 9s6d7d
Equity Win Tie
SB 39.39% 38.48% 0.91% { Ad2d }
BB 60.61% 59.70% 0.91% { Kd9d }

here's your equity before u raise the flop....

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Board: 9s6d7d
Equity Win Tie
SB 30.91% 29.42% 1.49% { 66+, ATs-A7s, K9s-K7s, K5s, Q9s-Q8s, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 54s, AdKd, AsKs, AdQd, AsQs, KdQd, KsQs, AdJd, AsJs, KdJd, KsJs, QdJd, QsJs, KdTd, KsTs, QdTd, QsTs, Ad5d, As5s, Ad4d, As4s, Ad3d, As3s, Ad2d, As2s, ATo-A9o, A7o, KTo-K8o, QJo, Q9o-Q8o, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+, 76o }
BB 69.09% 67.60% 1.49% { Kd9d }


and i dunno what a reasonable 3bet range from him would be cuz i dont have any ranges that take that line, but an approximation of what seems like a reasonable one might be ....

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Board: 9s6d7d
Equity Win Tie
SB 59.11% 58.52% 0.59% { 99, 77, T8s, 97s, KdTd, Ad8d, Kd8d, Qd8d, Jd8d, T8o, 97o }
BB 40.89% 40.31% 0.59% { Kd9d }



even if i give him every nut flush draw, you're still going to be behind about 45/55. i think this points to a pretty clear call.

On September 22 2015 13:14 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 22 2015 12:36 Spitfiree wrote: If he does that with 88 sure Wouldn't play like that vs a normal guy though, super wet board we're never getting it in good vs decent player, sure we have huge equity but wouldn't be enough. Exactly why I'd rather realize my equity than just let the poker gods decide my faith plus we re not drawing to the nuts flush which isn't too worrisome on this board I guess, but still minimizes our strength a bit not drawing to the nut flush on the flop when holding a pair is a positive thing.... http://www.pokerstrategy.com Board: 9s6d7d Equity Win Tie SB 39.39% 38.48% 0.91% { Ad2d } BB 60.61% 59.70% 0.91% { Kd9d }

I meant in terms of him possible having stuff like A8dd and such, doesn't matter in current scenario as he doesn't have many nut flush combos we're flipping against. Otherwise yeah obv vs pure nuts fd only we re holding the nuts ^_^ and yeah I agree with your ranges as well. They seem fine, obv this guy would spew tons though

By shipping flop he is certainly going to realize all of his equity, that is not the problem. The problem is his equity is not good when called so he will be spewing off too many chips taking this line becauses he is paying so much to see his equity.

By flatting the flop 3bet (or even flatting flop in the first place which I like with this hand) he is realizing all of the same equity at least to the turn at which point you will have another decision node. If the guy checks you do have the option of checking back now taking all of your equity to the river for free (if you don't think you have the better and don't want to valuebet)

One danger of this line would be flatting the flop 3bet and getting to a blank turn where villain shoves the NFD and you have to fold. This is a situation where you are at risk of not realizing your equity and it would be costly. Another point in favor of flatting flop

thanks marshall i been stackin off here a lil to often in bvb scenarios, seems to work well but surely is short term variance with those numbers

Marshall - What's your raising range on this board then? Also notice his raise sizing.