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Handnr: 1056165
Submitted by : Ronin88

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** IPoker
£200.00 GBP NL Texas Holdem - Friday, July 31, 08:57:10 ET 2015
Table Oedheim Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Player3 £380.10 GBP - VPIP: 82, PFR: 71, 3B: 60, AF: 8.2, Hands: 103
Seat 8: Hero £321.60 GBP - VPIP: 62, PFR: 50, 3B: 22, AF: 2.1, Hands: 29940
Player3 posts small blind [£1.00 GBP].
Hero posts big blind [£2.00 GBP].

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to HeroKsJs
Player3 raises [£5.00 GBP]
Hero raises [£18.00 GBP]
Player3 calls [£14.00 GBP]

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.00)

   Ac9cKd
Hero checks
Player3 bets [£64.00 GBP]
Hero calls [£64.00 GBP]

Turn (Pot : $0.00)

   Ac9cKdTc
Hero checks
Player3 checks

River (Pot : $0.00)

   Ac9cKdTcQd
Hero checks
Player3 bets [£296.10 GBP]
Hero ???

Aggro fish very often was overbetting if you show weakness?

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rogier   Netherlands. Aug 01 2015 00:29. Posts 1528

cant fold

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fira   United States. Aug 01 2015 01:26. Posts 6345

^agreed


traxamillion   United States. Aug 02 2015 06:56. Posts 10468

Agree I think; he did this with a flush ?


MARSHALL28   United States. Aug 02 2015 12:51. Posts 1897

bet flop 12GBP

as played ......... x/f flop? ... seems a no brainer


Ronin88   . Aug 02 2015 13:29. Posts 27


** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Hero checks
Player3 bets [£296.10 GBP]
Hero calls [£237.60 GBP]
Player3 wins £58.50 GBP from main pot
Hero wins £642.20 GBP from main pot
Player3 shows [3d, 5h ]

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traxamillion   United States. Aug 02 2015 19:39. Posts 10468


  On August 02 2015 11:51 MARSHALL28 wrote:
bet flop 12GBP

as played ......... x/f flop? ... seems a no brainer



Its hu and the guy is playing 80/70 so probably 100% vpip on the button and he peels a 3bet; He may be extremely wide here.

Then he makes a weird ass flop overbet when you can discount a lot of the nut hands (unless you think he vbet overbets all Ax on this flop) that might actually want to make a bet like that (AA, KK, AK, mayeb even AQ).

Its just a very suspect bet from a guy who looks to be overaggro so I wouldn't call it a no brainer fold, I get the flop call


traxamillion   United States. Aug 02 2015 19:45. Posts 10468

I'd argue his hand is the same in value as the bad aces except it actually has more chance to improve too (not super important)

Looks like OP just thinks this is an appropriate bluffcatching spot. Value not there in a flop bet but villain bluffs too much to c/f.

This takes some reads or whatever because a solid player will just valuerape you calling this down but looks like hero had them reads on this guy


MARSHALL28   United States. Aug 03 2015 08:01. Posts 1897


  On August 02 2015 18:45 traxamillion wrote:
I'd argue his hand is the same in value as the bad aces except it actually has more chance to improve too (not super important)

Looks like OP just thinks this is an appropriate bluffcatching spot. Value not there in a flop bet but villain bluffs too much to c/f.

This takes some reads or whatever because a solid player will just valuerape you calling this down but looks like hero had them reads on this guy



the blocking property of having an A in your hand is a pretty big deal here.

given his sizing, and how u r gonna have to check every turn and every river unimproved, you open yourself up to facing this type of river situation...

i wouldnt prefer to put in a pot sized bet on the flop w/ KJ vs Ax because the KJ is dominated less when it improves..to me this is poor strategy considering hoping to improve when facing such a big bet ... i dont put in a lot of money w/ marginal hands against huge bets on the flop ... i only consider doing this on the river.


Ronin88   . Aug 03 2015 12:15. Posts 27

I would play Ax type of hands with x/c aswell just like with KQ KJ vs aggro fish

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Aug 03 2015 18:19. Posts 9634

I don't think its fine to be x/cing Ax type vs fishes, i suck HU, but if you can put a valuebet you should be vbeting always vs fish its not like he s gonna exploit your range


traxamillion   United States. Aug 03 2015 21:03. Posts 10468

I agree its hard to play and opens up problems when you c/c here. And I'd rather have an Ax (ur right about the blocker being more significant than clean outs) but my only point there was they are close and some people might find the Kx call weird but an Ax call standard. He's not making this play because it is good in a vacuum but rather he tagged this guy as 'aggro fish' and figures c/calling down most boards beats check folding. He probably has to be pretty spewy for that to be ok so I see why playing sensible opponents at higher stakes you might want to avoid this. And of course you could never make this call and still be a hugely winning player and crush this opponent. One of the best ways to exploit an overbet like this is to just fold.

 Last edit: 03/08/2015 21:08

Ronin88   . Aug 04 2015 06:47. Posts 27

x/c is to induce him to bet with no hands, since if u bet he folds 80% of his range

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