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Handnr: 1031251
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$16.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 14, 07:14:18 ET 2014
Table Troilus III Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: Player2 $20.12 USD - VPIP: 25, PFR: 21, 3B: 7, AF: 2.6, Hands: 5162
Seat 3: Player3 $16.00 USD - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2.8, Hands: 14988
Seat 4: Player4 $28.46 USD - VPIP: 80, PFR: 43, 3B: 18, AF: 2.3, Hands: 181
Seat 5: Hero $16.00 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 3.4, Hands: 1535390
Seat 6: Player6 $56.46 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 1.1, Hands: 2362
Player2 posts small blind [$0.08 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.16 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [AcTc ]
Player4 raises [$0.32 USD]
Hero raises [$1.60 USD]
Player6 calls [$1.60 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$1.28 USD]

Flop (Pot : $5.04)

   Qh2hAd
Player4 checks
Hero bets [$3.41 USD]
Player6 folds
Player4 raises [$26.86 USD]
Hero calls [$10.99 USD]
Player4 wins $12.46 USD

Turn (Pot : $33.84)

   Qh2hAd7h

River (Pot : $33.84)

   Qh2hAd7hQs
Player4 shows AhJc
Hero shows AcTc
Player4 wins $32.34 USD from main pot

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 14:06. Posts 15163

80% VPIP 50%+ Raise doesnt fold to 3bets

The JJ hand could have been a fold on the turn after I've seen him do that a couple times :/
Still 2nd pair he's a tard meh....
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93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 14:10

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 14:08. Posts 15163

Fish own me so hard D:
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93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 14:12

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 15:51. Posts 15163

lol
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Mar 14 2014 19:23. Posts 8648

in last AK hand im pretty sure you're better off shoving flop yourself and not letting hands like this shove and realize their equity.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 19:47. Posts 15163

He will shove dominated hands he might fold tho like K2 etc too no?

93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 19:47

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 20:09. Posts 15163

Ima just take the air of his range to see when shoving for protection/fold out his equity makes sense

Board: 8c4d8s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 77.35% 75.09% 2.26% { AdKh }
MP3 22.65% 20.39% 2.26% { A9s, A7s-A5s, A3s-A2s, KJs-K9s, K7s-K5s, K3s-K2s, Q9s+, Q7s-Q5s, Q3s-Q2s, J9s+, J7s-J5s, J3s, T9s, T7s-T5s, 97s-95s, 75s+, 65s, AJo-A9o, A7o-A5o, A3o-A2o, K9o+, K7o-K5o, Q9o+, Q7o-Q6o, J9o+, J7o, T9o, T7o }

He needs 23.5% v my hand to make not folding those good.
So he makes a bigger mistake when he shoves than when he folds those hands if I'd shove myself innit.
I shove he folds em 100% EV=$11.2
I check he shoves x=.7735*16.26 - 0.2265*5.06=$11.431
with that part of his range
not sure if I put 16.26 into that equation or 21.32.


- basically if equity of his air range >= pot odds for him I should shove if it's smaller I should check and let him shove right?
Didn't realize it but his hand is like the nuts and his ship very +ev :D

93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 20:13

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Mar 14 2014 20:20. Posts 8648

yeah he probably folds K2 stuff but he also probably calls shove with dominated Ax fairly often.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 20:23. Posts 15163

I assume Ax get it in either way rly
- should take them out from the above

93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 20:23

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Mar 14 2014 20:25. Posts 8648

yeah agreed, i just wasn't sure if you included him calling with dominated Ax in your equation.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 20:27. Posts 15163

Yeah so if I take out all Ax and KJ (I assume he calls them too)

Equity Win Tie
MP2 23.79% 23.28% 0.51% { K9s, K7s-K5s, K3s-K2s, Q9s+, Q7s-Q5s, Q3s-Q2s, J9s+, J7s-J5s, J3s, T9s, T7s-T5s, 97s-95s, 75s+, 65s, KTo-K9o, K7o-K5o, Q9o+, Q7o-Q6o, J9o+, J7o, T9o, T7o }
MP3 76.21% 75.70% 0.51% { AdKh }

It goes above the threshold - and making him fold these is better

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 20:28. Posts 15163


  On March 14 2014 19:25 bigredhoss wrote:
yeah agreed, i just wasn't sure if you included him calling with dominated Ax in your equation.


If he will both always shove and always call I just take them out actually when just trying to see if shoving and making him fold the air he'd shove himself is better.
And it most likely will be here.

93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 20:29

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Mar 14 2014 20:31. Posts 8648

yap

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 20:36. Posts 15163

Is this correct btw? Assuming he always folds the air range and always shoves when checked to

If equity of his air >his pot odds my EV will be lower than when I shove and make him fold and
If equity of his air<his pot odds my EV will be higher than when I shove and make him fold

I didn't get to the same number in the equations but I assume this is the case and it does work both ways. My brain doesnt work as its late and played way too long today to check the math xD

93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 20:42

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Mar 14 2014 20:51. Posts 8648


  On March 14 2014 19:36 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Is this correct btw? Assuming he always folds the air range and always shoves when checked to

If equity of his air >his pot odds my EV will be lower than when I shove and make him fold and
If equity of his air<his pot odds my EV will be higher than when I shove and make him fold



yeah that's correct

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