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Handnr: 1031237
Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$16.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 14, 05:23:35 ET 2014
Table Naema III Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $14.28 USD - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 1.2, Hands: 587
Seat 2: Player2 $16.00 USD - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 1899
Seat 3: Player3 $15.58 USD - VPIP: 34, PFR: 14, 3B: 2, AF: 3.7, Hands: 120
Seat 4: Player4 $16.19 USD - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 2.5, Hands: 4340
Seat 5: Hero $20.75 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 3.4, Hands: 1532012
Seat 6: Player6 $20.20 USD - VPIP: 43, PFR: 17, 3B: 18, AF: 0.8, Hands: 23
Player4 posts small blind [$0.08 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.16 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [7s8s ]
Player6 calls [$0.16 USD]
Player1 raises [$0.48 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Hero calls [$0.32 USD]
Player6 calls [$0.32 USD]

Flop (Pot : $1.52)

   4s6d2s
Hero checks
Player6 checks
Player1 bets [$0.64 USD]
Hero raises [$1.76 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 raises [$3.20 USD]
Hero calls [$2.08 USD]

Turn (Pot : $8.56)

   4s6d2s8c
Hero checks
Player1 checks

River (Pot : $8.56)

   4s6d2s8c4h
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$4.32 USD]
Hero:

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 05:42. Posts 15143

same villain as here:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/1031117

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93% Sure!  

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 05:43. Posts 15143

also in hindsight flop plays better as a flat with the fish there 3 way innit my brain sees many outs stack off hurr durr

I expect a good amount of FE and can barrel when smn cbets so small tho (realized it's the same dude that played top set like this only after he rr)

93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 05:50

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 14 2014 06:37. Posts 9634

I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there
Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99


jvilla777   Australia. Mar 14 2014 06:48. Posts 1347

river looks like a fold to me brah.

longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality! 

r0mx0   Slovakia. Mar 14 2014 09:41. Posts 1580

def this ..also in hindsight flop plays better as a flat with the fish there 3 way innit my brain sees many outs stack off hurr durr

You gotta plow through that shit !  

cariadon   Estonia. Mar 14 2014 13:30. Posts 4018


  On March 14 2014 05:37 Spitfiree wrote:
I wouldnt c/r flop if im not stacking off there
Dunno @ river, fold s probably best althought ill almost always call just to find out im beat by something mega gay like 99



Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?!


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Mar 14 2014 13:40. Posts 8646

i can't see myself folding for halfpot on river after he checks turn.

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 14:15. Posts 15143

I mean when someone cbets small on that board I assume his range is weakened so raising should be fine no?

And as in the last hand shoving is probably around breakeven while call with that re-raise size is pretty much guaranteed +ev no?


93% Sure!  

goose58   United States. Mar 14 2014 14:37. Posts 871


  On March 14 2014 12:30 cariadon wrote:
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Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?!


joke?


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Mar 14 2014 16:02. Posts 9634


  On March 14 2014 12:30 cariadon wrote:
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Why would you want to stack off with an 8high flushdraw and a gutter on the flop ?!?!


first of all I probably wouldnt c/r , 2nd if I c/r why wouldnt i stack off with that equity? -> ~35% vs set and you def have enough fold equity too

 Last edit: 14/03/2014 16:03

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 14 2014 20:44. Posts 15143


  On March 14 2014 12:40 bigredhoss wrote:
i can't see myself folding for halfpot on river after he checks turn.


Yeah I assumed he'd bet sets ott more often than not and has enough AXss to call
That hand is like wtf - I guess he remembered that he used the flop line with top set vs me before :D

Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$16.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 14, 05:23:35 ET 2014
Table Naema III Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 $14.28 USD - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 1.2, Hands: 589
Seat 2: Player2 $16.00 USD - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.7, Hands: 2347
Seat 3: Player3 $15.58 USD - VPIP: 36, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 4.0, Hands: 146
Seat 4: Player4 $16.19 USD - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 7, AF: 2.5, Hands: 4440
Seat 5: Hero $20.75 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 3.4, Hands: 1536829
Seat 6: Player6 $20.20 USD - VPIP: 43, PFR: 17, 3B: 18, AF: 0.8, Hands: 23
Player4 posts small blind [$0.08 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.16 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [7s8s ]
Player6 calls [$0.16 USD]
Player1 raises [$0.48 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Hero calls [$0.32 USD]
Player6 calls [$0.32 USD]

Flop (Pot : $1.52)

   4s6d2s
Hero checks
Player6 checks
Player1 bets [$0.64 USD]
Hero raises [$1.76 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 raises [$3.20 USD]
Hero calls [$2.08 USD]

Turn (Pot : $8.56)

   4s6d2s8c
Hero checks
Player1 checks

River (Pot : $8.56)

   4s6d2s8c4h
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$4.32 USD]
Hero calls [$4.32 USD]
Player1 shows JhKh
Hero shows 7s8s
Hero wins $17.04 USD from main pot

93% Sure! Last edit: 14/03/2014 21:01

cariadon   Estonia. Mar 14 2014 21:02. Posts 4018


  On March 14 2014 15:02 Spitfiree wrote:
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first of all I probably wouldnt c/r , 2nd if I c/r why wouldnt i stack off with that equity? -> ~35% vs set and you def have enough fold equity too



Using pokertalk to make your analysis sound cool isn't cool at all. You can't check/raise to "give yourself odds". Its a broken concept. 35% allin for a pot that was originally 10bbs is pretty damn shitty. The pot odds are so sweet just to call. No need to bluff villain with a drawing hand. You get to draw very cheap and that's fine.


goose58   United States. Mar 14 2014 22:24. Posts 871


  On March 14 2014 20:02 cariadon wrote:
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Using pokertalk to make your analysis sound cool isn't cool at all. You can't check/raise to "give yourself odds". Its a broken concept. 35% allin for a pot that was originally 10bbs is pretty damn shitty. The pot odds are so sweet just to call. No need to bluff villain with a drawing hand. You get to draw very cheap and that's fine.



Shipping the flop with gutter+fd is perfectly fine and even desirable vs a thinking opponent/reg. It balances our range and gets villain to fold mediocre hands that have a ton of equity vs us. It also gets him to stack off light when we do have a set/straight/2pair.


cariadon   Estonia. Mar 14 2014 23:09. Posts 4018

Going allin with 8 high on the flop in this spot is bad. 35% against fuck all and you don't beat anything. I'm afraid you might have the wrong impression about this limit and the skill of players there. You are overreaching, overestimating your opponents skill and trying to do too much. The people who get it wrong are playing micros. Turn this into a legitimate discussion and see what the green star players have to say about it. Just because you know (and others don't) fd+gutter is 35% doesn't make it ok to splash around mindlessly. Calling flop is by far the superior play. It isn't even close.


goose58   United States. Mar 14 2014 23:45. Posts 871

Our opponent is 24/17/9, hardly a fish.

He rarely has a strong enough hand to where he feels comfortable stacking off on the flop against our raising range. Would you stack off on this flop when you hold AA against Lemon?

 Last edit: 14/03/2014 23:45

Big_Rob_isback   United States. Mar 15 2014 00:40. Posts 211

The fact that he shows up with KJ here makes me want to say that maybe lemon needs to think about how his play is affecting game flow. Maybe he needs to slow down and nit it up if people are playing back at him. I mean a lot of his hands are pretty fancy play for such a limit right?

So make a few raises/bluffs, then play tight the rest of the time and make bank?

just playing live poker for fun 

cariadon   Estonia. Mar 15 2014 06:23. Posts 4018


  On March 14 2014 22:45 goose58 wrote:
Our opponent is 24/17/9, hardly a fish.

He rarely has a strong enough hand to where he feels comfortable stacking off on the flop against our raising range. Would you stack off on this flop when you hold AA against Lemon?



Of course. Not just against LemOn.

Big_Rob_isback what you might be refering to is "switching gears" in the sense that playing very loosely and then extremely tight. I don't think this is a concept for 0.16 NL. It isn't as much playing back as inability to click fold - these are the players in your stakes and if you are struggling there is something wrong with your ABC or huge tilt issues. You just need to understand the fact that you need to have bluffs in your range, otherwise you are too tight and don't make money often enough when neither of you have anything. Bluffing just because wouldn't be terrible on paper but learning to bluff with the right kind of equity is something to aspire to. Your hand value is 8 high, wait until your outs get there and start pumping money in. Stacking off with 8 high on a 10bb flop is doing it wrong. Would you consider folding flop with AA for half a pot? That's how wrong this is. In reverse. Standard Fancy Play Syndrome.


cariadon   Estonia. Mar 15 2014 06:37. Posts 4018


  On March 14 2014 22:45 goose58 wrote:
Our opponent is 24/17/9, hardly a fish.

He rarely has a strong enough hand to where he feels comfortable stacking off on the flop against our raising range. Would you stack off on this flop when you hold AA against Lemon?



Also, reading into players stats is so overdone people forget to think with their godgiven brain. Stop being a robot and open your eyes. He isn't sitting with 100bbs. It isn't even worth discussion what his stats are. When the stats become noteworthy you must be retarded not to having picked up the read from what has happened long before you have enough hands for any reasonable level of certainty. 600 hands, total unknown at 16nl.

This is hindsight biased but he fucking turned up with KJ nothing airball fuck all, how much skill do you fucking attribute to that? I've played 2 million hands at stakes much higher than this and believe you me, you only need to sit down and not be retarded in order to win at 16nl. If you can't wrap your head around that then poker is not for you.

For the record i consider everyone at these stakes a fish. You may be a fish with potential and eventually become someone who makes it big. But for now, just accept the fact that you are playing against fish and stop the advanced shit that is actually some attentionwhoring or justification deep in its core.


goose58   United States. Mar 15 2014 07:18. Posts 871

troll?


cariadon   Estonia. Mar 15 2014 14:09. Posts 4018

Having much trouble at micros?


 

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