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Handnr: 1028294
Submitted by : redrain0125

PokerStars Zoom Hand #111036024075: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2014/01/31 2:57:02 ET
Table Triangulum 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($103.73 in chips)
Seat 2: Anicarrr ($113.70 in chips)
Seat 3: BobsHardware ($126.90 in chips)
Seat 4: baira87 ($213 in chips)
Seat 5: eishalle ($92.16 in chips)
Seat 6: n0madzz ($104.96 in chips)
Anicarrr: posts small blind $0.50
BobsHardware: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero 5h6h
baira87: folds
eishalle: folds
n0madzz: folds
Hero: raises $2 to $3
Anicarrr: folds
BobsHardware: raises $7 to $10
Hero: calls $7

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $20.50)

   3h7hKh
BobsHardware: bets $12
Hero: calls $12

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $44.50)

   3h7hKhQs
BobsHardware: bets $22
Hero: raises $59.73 to $81.73 and is all-in
BobsHardware: calls $59.73

River (Pot : $207.96)

   3h7hKhQs4h

Showdown
BobsHardware: shows 8hTh (a flush, King high)
Hero: shows 5h6h (a straight flush, Three to Seven)
Hero collected $205.16 from pot

Summary
Total pot $207.96 | Rake $2.80
Board  3h7hKhQs4h
Seat 1: Hero (button) showed 5h6h and won ($205.16) with a straight flush, Three to Seven
Seat 2: Anicarrr (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: BobsHardware (big blind) showed 8hTh and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 4: baira87 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: eishalle folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: n0madzz folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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r0mx0   Slovakia. Jan 31 2014 04:45. Posts 1580

what is it with people these days calling with trash suited conectors 3 bets

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You gotta plow through that shit !  

redrain0125   Canada. Jan 31 2014 05:04. Posts 5455

teach me how to beat micros


QuirkyEric   Slovakia. Jan 31 2014 07:34. Posts 308


  On January 31 2014 04:04 redrain0125 wrote:
teach me how to beat micros



Je ti 31 let a umíš akorát klikat myší, vzpamatuj se -Daniel Havlík 

r0mx0   Slovakia. Jan 31 2014 07:36. Posts 1580

post how big in grreen numbers you are with 56hh , yeas sir you are not in 3b pots.

You gotta plow through that shit !  

devon06atX   Canada. Jan 31 2014 13:17. Posts 5431

romxo, you don't play nl100. Therefore, you aren't allowed to have an opinion. God, get with it.


Daut    United States. Jan 31 2014 13:53. Posts 8950


  On January 31 2014 03:45 r0mx0 wrote:
what is it with people these days calling with trash suited conectors 3 bets



lets create a nice range to call 3bets/4b with!

55+ ATs+ KTs+ QTs+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s AJo+ KQo! thats 12.37% of hands, good right?

Wrong. say you raise the button 50%, that means you are folding to a 3bet 75% of the time and they can profitably 3bet any 2 cards against you.

if bb is risking say 9 to win 4.5, you clearly need to defend > 1/3 your range to prevent him from freerolling. but 1/3 isnt enough because when you call and he has the worst hands in his range he can still hit flops or possibly win with a cbet on the right board textures. so you probably need to defend closer to 45% of your opening range to prevent this from happening.

lets make a new range that tries to open up while not playing crap suited connectors.

22+ A2s+ K9s+ Q9s+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s 87s ATo+ KTo+ QJo, 20.66% of hands. if this is your defending range you can probably only open about 46% of hands on the button before they can start 3betting a lot. so if we want to open the button wider that 45% (which most regs do), we want to defend more of those hands to 3bets.

my defending range is something around 22% of hands vs normal sized 3bets. if you arent defending that wide then you are likely getting exploited or being a nit on the button.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 31 2014 14:32. Posts 15133


  On January 31 2014 03:45 r0mx0 wrote:
what is it with people these days calling with trash suited conectors 3 bets


more like what's with people 3Xing the button

93% Sure!  

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jan 31 2014 14:35. Posts 8646

3xing the button is considered bad these days? lol wtf

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LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 31 2014 14:38. Posts 15133

daut do you actually manually write them down inetsead of using stove or equilab? Ur such a nerd bro

nvm dled odds oracle it wont accept normal stove format wtf too much work ;p

93% Sure! Last edit: 31/01/2014 14:57

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 31 2014 14:38. Posts 15133


  On January 31 2014 13:35 bigredhoss wrote:
3xing the button is considered bad these days? lol wtf


nah just not standard anymore vs regs - dont think there was a mathematical proof, just keeping S/P ratio IP is better as is forcing people into more spots oop (or create autoprofit scenarios preflop if they are unwilling). rly rarely see 3X from anyone good 100bb deep

93% Sure! Last edit: 31/01/2014 14:40

devon06atX   Canada. Jan 31 2014 15:17. Posts 5431


  On January 31 2014 13:35 bigredhoss wrote:
3xing the button is considered bad these days? lol wtf



  On January 31 2014 13:38 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
Show nested quote +


rly rarely see 3X from anyone good 100bb deep
oh lemon, you're cute

 Last edit: 31/01/2014 15:19

devon06atX   Canada. Jan 31 2014 15:21. Posts 5431

Btw, anyone else remember when 4x pre was the norm? Man I miss those days

edit: f it, I'm bringing it back. Tuesdays and Thursdays = 4x pre. LP, Unite!

 Last edit: 31/01/2014 15:22

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 31 2014 15:22. Posts 15133

liek if we minraise 60% range 3b to 8bb in big blind we still need to defend same % of hands as when we 3x get 3b to 10 but now we have lower S/P ratio

autoprofit threshold is 33% defend. I guess if you want to add the buffer 45s seems in defend range if you like the hand over stuff like Q5s T6s K8o etc,

Think what r0mx0 is getting at that you have to play the bottom of that range like 45s ina +ev way postflop too or you are basically preventing autoprofit preflop but increasing the dude's overall EV if you do stuff like e.g. fold too much on flops which happens a lot with the bottom part of that range - and there's no point putting 45s in 4b range when we there's Ax Kx hands.

93% Sure!  

GoTuNk   Chile. Jan 31 2014 15:42. Posts 2860


  On January 31 2014 12:53 Daut wrote:
Show nested quote +



lets create a nice range to call 3bets/4b with!

55+ ATs+ KTs+ QTs+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s AJo+ KQo! thats 12.37% of hands, good right?

Wrong. say you raise the button 50%, that means you are folding to a 3bet 75% of the time and they can profitably 3bet any 2 cards against you.

if bb is risking say 9 to win 4.5, you clearly need to defend > 1/3 your range to prevent him from freerolling. but 1/3 isnt enough because when you call and he has the worst hands in his range he can still hit flops or possibly win with a cbet on the right board textures. so you probably need to defend closer to 45% of your opening range to prevent this from happening.

lets make a new range that tries to open up while not playing crap suited connectors.

22+ A2s+ K9s+ Q9s+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s 87s ATo+ KTo+ QJo, 20.66% of hands. if this is your defending range you can probably only open about 46% of hands on the button before they can start 3betting a lot. so if we want to open the button wider that 45% (which most regs do), we want to defend more of those hands to 3bets.

my defending range is something around 22% of hands vs normal sized 3bets. if you arent defending that wide then you are likely getting exploited or being a nit on the button.


How much is the average to open from BU at high stakes? I've heard anywhere from 50 to 70, even vs good player on blinds (I assume everyone above nl200 at least defends a wide range)

 Last edit: 31/01/2014 15:43

Daut    United States. Jan 31 2014 15:43. Posts 8950

4betting in position as a bluff is a bad idea these days. people 3bet a wide linear range OOP and fold infrequently to 4bets. if they 3bet like 25% with some polarized hands they can still have like JTs QTs K9s or better and just call or 5bet a large % of the time they 3bet.

in tough games its gotten to the point where you basically cant open wider than the 45% GTO type range without giving something away at 100bb.

i like 2.5x button. defending ranges too wide vs minraise, prefer some fold equity but dont want people to be able to 3b huge and price you out.

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, DautLast edit: 31/01/2014 15:46

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 31 2014 16:50. Posts 15133

so even if you were minraising you open 50% BU in aggro lineups where you aren't aware of any major leaks opponents have?

93% Sure!  

Baalim   Mexico. Jan 31 2014 16:53. Posts 33875

Yeah 2.5 is fine, the button mini-raie its on its quick way out, people are starting to call really light so you gotta increase the price, its also a bitch to play against a very wide range for hand reading when you are in the BU

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redrain0125   Canada. Jan 31 2014 17:47. Posts 5455


  On January 31 2014 13:32 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
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more like what's with people 3Xing the button


people on NL100zoom dont like giving up blinds easily


LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 31 2014 17:55. Posts 15133


  On January 31 2014 16:47 redrain0125 wrote:
Show nested quote +



people on NL100zoom dont like giving up blinds easily


Ye tbh in zoom I have no idea people even at NL10 go crazy when you minraise or 2.5x BU if it prevents them from 3b a ton then it's good. I dont play that thang tho

93% Sure!  

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Jan 31 2014 21:05. Posts 15133

These are Janda's range btw BU vs 3Bet in his book:
they are mean he has some tad wider ones nee dto understand it

Call:
AA, TT-77, AQo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo, AQs-A7s,A5s-A2s, KQs-K9s, QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s, T9s-T8s,98s-97s, 87s, 76s, 65s

4B:
KK-JJ, AKo,AKs, A6s, A4s-A2s, K8s-K4s,Q8s-Q7s

Sounds aight?
he also thinks raising BU 45% when minraising is close to optimal guess u iss right guys

93% Sure! Last edit: 31/01/2014 21:30

Daut    United States. Jan 31 2014 22:13. Posts 8950


  On January 31 2014 14:42 GoTuNk wrote:
Show nested quote +



How much is the average to open from BU at high stakes? I've heard anywhere from 50 to 70, even vs good player on blinds (I assume everyone above nl200 at least defends a wide range)



wish i could tell you, play 95% PLO now and dont play high stakes. but i assume as it gets deeper it goes up towards 70. my standard was always about 52 in NL and is about 58 in PLO

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

AndrewSong    United States. Feb 01 2014 13:55. Posts 2354

60-70 steal is still the norm. Theres two ways players are playing against high steals which is defending wider and or 3betting 14-16% vs high BU steals.

Min raising wide and 2.5xing tighter both has its advantage

3xing the button is worst of all since you'll get three betted way too frequently and hand like 56s will be questionable to continue with low spr wherelse its almost a mandatory call vs 7x 3bet


 

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