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Handnr: 1011036
Submitted by : bigredhoss

PokerStars Hand #98928352171: Holdem No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2013/05/21 23:07:38 ET
Table Iguassu 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: WCG|Rider ($6275.19 in chips)
Seat 2: w00ki3z. ($12878.35 in chips)
WCG|Rider: posts small blind $25
w00ki3z.: posts big blind $50

Holecards
WCG|Rider: raises $71 to $121
w00ki3z.: calls $71

Flop (Pot : $242.00)

   8dAh9c
w00ki3z.: checks
WCG|Rider: bets $178.71
w00ki3z.: calls $178.71

Turn (Pot : $599.42)

   8dAh9cJs
w00ki3z.: checks
WCG|Rider: bets $443.20
w00ki3z.: calls $443.20

River (Pot : $1,485.82)

   8dAh9cJsJc
w00ki3z.: checks
WCG|Rider: bets $906.04
w00ki3z.: raises $2096.04 to $3002.08
WCG|Rider: raises $2530.20 to $5532.28 and is all-in
w00ki3z.: folds
Uncalled bet ($2530.20) returned to WCG|Rider
WCG|Rider collected $7489.48 from pot
WCG|Rider: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $7489.98 | Rake $0.50
Board  8dAh9cJsJc
Seat 1: WCG|Rider (button) (small blind) collected ($7489.48)
Seat 2: w00ki3z. (big blind) folded on the River

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GameOverNoob   Canada. May 22 2013 00:29. Posts 961

Could you ever not have value hand here?

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. May 22 2013 01:11. Posts 8648

you mean jm or wcg? anyway i have no idea.

i would guess that wcgrider almost always has Ax+ when he bets river. what jungleman checkraises with and wcg shoves with i have no clue.

can jungle ever c/r --> fold some part of his value range like JT on river? can wcgrider turn Ax into a bluff with the 3bet? (i guess this depends on answer to the former q or vice versa).. is it possible that it's correct for wcgrider to check back Ax no kicker on river vs a very good/tough player?

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cariadon   Estonia. May 22 2013 12:21. Posts 4019

the part where you suggest wcgrider turning Ax into bluffs must come from watching too many longple hands
i would describe such an effort as trying to catch a knife


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. May 22 2013 14:14. Posts 8648


  On May 22 2013 11:21 cariadon wrote:
the part where you suggest wcgrider turning Ax into bluffs must come from watching too many longple hands
i would describe such an effort as trying to catch a knife



well he probably can't call the c/r with Ax and if jungle can fold JT (no idea if he would) it might be pretty good?

i mean obviously i don't know and just random speculating, but pretty sure i would think the same way with or without longple hands i assume you're thinking of the hand where longple turned that KQ into a bluff, i don't think (possibly) turning Ax into bluff here is remotely similar to that.

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