One of the worst calls ever by Negreanu...

i think its one of those spots where you are up against a very good players and you know they have air in their range so your mind kinda goes fuzzy and you go spewtastic

negreanu is a fish, whats new?

what do you think is the weakest hand Negreanu should call in this spot? pretty good analysis of the hand, will check out the vid later

On December 10 2010 03:56 exalted wrote: what do you think is the weakest hand Negreanu should call in this spot? pretty good analysis of the hand, will check out the vid later

With the way the hand was played, I think the minimum that Negreanu has to have here to check/call the turn and river, and expect to win enough to make it profitable is AQ, and I think even that is pushing it. The line Galfond took is just super strong

Negreanu knows that if Galfond had show down value, he would have checked turn. Then when Galfond not only bet turn, but bet the river when Negreanu checked, Galfond is looking to get value out of his hand, as Daniel has basically played his hand face up as an ace. There are just so many common broadway combinations that beats him here that it just astounds me that he thinks A-2 will EVER be good

I'm more surprised that you felt the need to do a full write up on such an insignificant hand.

On December 10 2010 05:13 urasofty wrote: I'm more surprised that you felt the need to do a full write up on such an insignificant hand.

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Urasofty = negreanu

really expected to see the kq vs j9 siever hand here..

negsy is horrible......i love it how he says he beats 2 different hands when in reality.................

u can call him donk and shit and do all this analysis but i will when you sit in that game vs galfond and siever and who ever else you'll make mistakes even worse.

DN is a good poker player just not a great one.

On December 10 2010 12:52 wobbly_au wrote: u can call him donk and shit and do all this analysis but i will when you sit in that game vs galfond and siever and who ever else you'll make mistakes even worse. DN is a good poker player just not a great one.

Well the comments you make on a player skill is depending on what level he is representing his play at, so when commenting daniel negreanus play you are commentating his skill compared to other nosebleed pros, and i think pretty much everyone agrees that hes the fish at this level. He can still be a good player in general and i think everyone understands this, i mean when you look at sports and say "oh this player is so bad" you obv dont mean you are better yourself, you just think he sucks compared to his competition.

I also think its fair to critisize his cashgame play, he made almost all of his winnings from tournaments, and i dont think as many will say hes a bad tournament player.

It was a personal call, not an weighted call.

On December 10 2010 12:52 wobbly_au wrote: u can call him donk and shit and do all this analysis but i will when you sit in that game vs galfond and siever and who ever else you'll make mistakes even worse. DN is a good poker player just not a great one.

I probably would tbh, but I do not have the experience, skill, or bankroll to even come close to competing in these games

What troubles me is that Negreanu has been playing for a VERY long time now. He was the 2004 wsop player of the year, is near the top earner of all time in poker tourney winnings, yet is still able to make a play such as this that most poker players could spot and fold river without a second thought to an even somewhat normal range of hands Galfond can have here.

a lot of good players would peal a KJ type hand, realize it's no good on the turn and plan to fire two barrels to get someone off an ace. dn was just on the wrong level on this hand. not a very good call but i'm sure galfond can peal any 2 broadway cards on this flop and fire twice as a bluff sometimes.

call really doesn't seem all that bad, DN kinda flips his hand face up as a scared ace after turn action so no matter what galfonds range of hands is here im sure he expects DN to fold pretty often to a solid river bet. so as long as galfond is willing to call the flop with something worse than a pair of aces then he pretty much has to have some % of bluffs on the river and i think it's a little silly to think a player like galfond wouldn't be willing to float some weak hands 3 handed in position against a player he clearly outclasses.

On December 10 2010 23:31 thewh00sel wrote: a lot of good players would peal a KJ type hand, realize it's no good on the turn and plan to fire two barrels to get someone off an ace. dn was just on the wrong level on this hand. not a very good call but i'm sure galfond can peal any 2 broadway cards on this flop and fire twice as a bluff sometimes.

Yeah, but that would go against the concept of floating with 2nd pair if you plan to turn your hand into a bluff when he ceases aggression. If he had K-J, he would most likely want to see showdown, especially with the type of stationy player that Negreanu is.

DN is a moron though for raising A2o deep+ OOP vs phil galfond. thats pretty much giving money away

Except for PF I'd play it the same.