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TekxY   Mexico. Apr 11 2010 00:12. Posts 236
Well, first of all im super noob, that said... after playing NL2, NL4 for a while I start playing NL10 and a few days ago i start using Poker Tracker 3 and well, just see this graph and think WTF, why im losing so much in non-showdown, and I was thinking why is this, I think one reason is because no matter what I never complete my draws, even when I have OESD + FD I complete 1 out of idk a ton, but as im super noob could be other stuff, maybe you guys from LP could give me some advice, maybe this is so general and you need more info so just ask.



thanks in advance.

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Welcome to the desert... of the Real.Last edit: 12/04/2010 00:07

Carthac   United States. Apr 11 2010 00:19. Posts 1343

There could be countless reasons why your money without showdown is so low. You could be folding too much on the flop to cbets, you could be continuing bluffs too long, you could be betting incorrectly at certain boards, playing too many hands oop, etc.

We need more info to be able to help you out with this. Post your typical stats if you have them, and if you have any typical postflop tendencies that spans across all types of players. Your blind defense % would also be helpful as well


Elite00   United States. Apr 11 2010 00:43. Posts 683


  On April 10 2010 23:12 TekxY wrote:
W, I think one reason is because no matter what I never complete my draws, even when I have OESD + FD I complete 1 out of idk a ton



Well I can tell you right now it isn't this. The fact that you cited this a possible reason means that you are probably a pretty new player and therefore have lots of leaks pre and post flop. You can do some research on stats and start by looking for leaks there. You should read some articles, watch some videos, and think about the game a lot.


zulu_nation8   United States. Apr 11 2010 00:48. Posts 1929

wtf happened from 70k hands onward?


Elite00   United States. Apr 11 2010 01:07. Posts 683


  On April 10 2010 23:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
wtf happened from 70k hands onward?



I think that's where he moved up


zulu_nation8   United States. Apr 11 2010 01:24. Posts 1929

Oh I see. Can't tell much from this graph, you need to post your stats too.


AznFisherman   United States. Apr 11 2010 01:34. Posts 956

Hope you're getting rakeback
Make sure you're paying attention to cbetting and playing in position. Playing too much out of position can also lead to negative non-showdown winnings.
But definitely post your stats, these are just general guesses


NewbSaibot   United States. Apr 11 2010 01:39. Posts 4943

You're red line declines because you keep folding before the river. Try betting more turns and rivers. Although I cant promise you where your green line will end up.

bye now 

Arirang   Canada. Apr 11 2010 02:09. Posts 1673

This is a pretty funny graph, hahahah.

You are giving us too little information. First off, do you play shorthanded or fullring? Secondly, I suggest you post some hands and give us your thought process. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about decreasing red line. It doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, although... I think in your case, it may be a leak. But your blue line is skyrocketing to compensate for the red line plummeting ... so at least you are getting paid off on your hands. It's really more of a style thing imo.

You really need to like... analyzing the stats to be sure what's going on with your red line.

 Last edit: 11/04/2010 02:09

joLin   United States. Apr 11 2010 06:29. Posts 3818

you are probably putting a lot of money in on early streets only to fold later.

think about spots where you call a lot on the flop or turn only to fold the next street and reconsider them.

think about spots where you keep cbetting with little equity and give up the turn.

think about spots where ppl have hands that definitely call 1 or 2 streets but will not call the next.

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TLLast edit: 11/04/2010 06:31

joLin   United States. Apr 11 2010 06:33. Posts 3818


  On April 11 2010 01:09 Arirang wrote:
But your blue line is skyrocketing to compensate for the red line plummeting ... so at least you are getting paid off on your hands. It's really more of a style thing imo.


the blue line isnt skyrocketing. theres only a 2bb/100 difference between how much the blue is going up compared to how much the red is going down so theres definitely a problem.

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TL 

N3CR0S   Czech Republic. Apr 11 2010 15:15. Posts 279

This could be a Victory Poker banner :>


TekxY   Mexico. Apr 11 2010 16:47. Posts 236

I guess this are the stats you need, amm, playing NL10 Full Ring on Titan Poker, 4 tables most of the time.


And yea, I know I definitely have millions of leaks, thanks for all the comments


Welcome to the desert... of the Real. 

TekxY   Mexico. Apr 12 2010 00:04. Posts 236

bump

Welcome to the desert... of the Real. 

zulu_nation8   United States. Apr 12 2010 00:56. Posts 1929

You need to limp less and raise almost every hand you play to 4x bb + 1bb for every limper


JonnyCosMo   United States. Apr 20 2010 20:17. Posts 7292

I use your graph when I can't pick up the food w/ a spoon :-p

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