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NewbSaibot United States. Feb 10 2010 19:23. Posts 4948 | | |
So I finally got mo money to invest in this crazy poker scheme I have of going pro. I took a quick 5 BI shot at NL50 HU for no other reason than just to see if I could. Well I cant, so enough of that story. Before I juice the poker economy any further I decided to sit down and watch some poker sessions via the HEM replayer. Not just partial sessions, entire sessions from start to finish, every single hand. It's basically like watching a video of yourself really. So I'm watching my pwning sessions, and my losing one's too, to try and see whats happening with me.
I must say doing this is pretty interesting, I can feel the game flow and dynamic evolving as the session progresses, and can almost read my thoughts at the time from sessions as old as a year ago. One of the first things I'm noticing though which I dont remember doing at all is spewing off like a fucking loon during my losing sessions. Not from tilt, but goddamn fancy play. And I'm pretty sure I know why, because I start to get that creeping feeling possessing me to do it as I watch.
For instance, I'll have some shit like A6o in MP, notice that the CO and BTN are both 16/15 TAG's, and say "well they're not going to do anything fancy if I raise here, so if they fold I can steal the blinds from MP! If they call, well then I'll either shutdown or just cbet any flop queen or higher. If they raise or 3bet I just shut down completely, EZ PEAZY!" This is just so recklessly out of control I'm at a loss for words. I'll even do this UNDER THE GUN, with the same logic that b/c everyone is so tight I'll get a free pass, and they'll tell me if I'm beat, because my hands are so junk I dont have to worry about any difficult decisions.... That is until I flop top pair and wonder if it's good or not, then pick up a concealed open ender on the turn that doesnt complete, all the while getting value towned as my hand improves every so slightly. I'll even raise 86o in the CO, get 3bet by the SB, and call because we're 100BB deep and be like "he aint ever gonna see this shit comin if I hit". THAT IS SO FUCKING FISHY OMG. That is exactly what fish probably tell themselves every time they enter a pot with what they know must be junk "never know what the flop will bring! Imma stack aces with T7o!"
I'm still playing pretty loose in my pwning sessions, but it's more of a controlled aggression. A lot more willingness to fold to 3bets, mostly saving my air range for the BTN instead of CO, no fucking around from UTG or MP, minus the 1/100 times I raise like 9To just for table image, and just taking very light controlled shots at the pot on the flop. See, I keep outleveling myself. I'll think some shit like "well he knows I'm capable of floating the flop or c/r'ing on a bluff, so I have to follow through on the turn too otherwise I'll become an easy target". Well, that might be true vs the best players in the world, but vs tag grinders at NL200 it's just not necessary. I mean I may even be losing some pots to good level X thinkers on the turn or whatever, but thats not important. It wont hurt my winrate to let that slide, and I'm better off just being a loose bitch preflop and on the flop and not much more beyond that. And truth be told, it's probably not happening as much as I think it is anyway! And the real beauty in playing loose is to sneak in there with hands and cooler people to death, rather than looking sketchy with a WTSD of 2% and AF of 5.
Anyway, I'm gonna play some NL200 live this week just because I can, and because it's like NL2, which I expect to be able to beat. Then I'll probably take a stab at NL200 online again and see if I can recreate the rhythm I had back in the day after observing myself play and finding the magic again. In fact, watching my losing sessions might be all I really need, because they are just filled with FAIL and "things not to do".
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exalted United States. Feb 10 2010 20:24. Posts 2918 | | |
have you ever heard of bankroll management
and why why why why do you keep thinking you can beat nl200 6m online
you are a huge dog in those games man
don't you realize that ur get rich scheme isn't going to work with these "1-10 bi shots"
anyway, DO play live, you have an edge in that
but please play online poker the "standard" way if you hope to actually make money.. |
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joLin United States. Feb 10 2010 20:39. Posts 3818 | | |
for your sake plzzzzzzz dont put anymore money in online until you drop all these misconceptions you have about poker (everything you know) and start from scratch.
and even if nl200 live is like nl2 online, its not like youve ever beaten nl2 online.
im saying this bcuz i like you from TL, and its painful watching you throw deposit after deposit away playing like all the other fish online, especially since your financial situation seems tight (from the sound of your previous blogs). |
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NewbSaibot United States. Feb 10 2010 20:55. Posts 4948 | | |
yea, the sick thing is I actually can afford to bankroll myself for NL200 online. After all expenses and bills and debt are cleared, I actually have a $6000 surplus in fun money, that the g/f is begging me to put towards a cruise, vacation, or even a trip to vegas if it gets me to spend it taking us out. The sick thing is, I feel if I rolled myself for NL200 I would completely lose it all lol. I have the weirdest confidence issues. It's like, when I play with 5 BI's, I know the money is expendable, and as a result I dont play scared, and just do my best, which is all I can hope for. But if the money is important, like losing 6 grand, which I really dont want to do, I'll play all scared and freak out at villain aggression and have no idea what to do postflop. Style A is much better, I just cant get through the variance and my own mistakes to keep myself afloat.
Now, if I were to beat a limit like NL200 online, meaning my 5-10 BI shot turned itself into a real bankroll outside of my real life roll, then I feel I would play with supreme confidence, because now the money is expendable because I already have it covered in the bank, so I can play confidently and calmly. I cant shake the get rich scheme simply because I was exposed to it through lucky heaters too early in my career. I *started* this game at NL200. I ran up a few grand and was like "this fuckin rocks", and now it's so hard to go back down. It's like dropping limits, you know how it is. I've been in one big "drop down" spiral since the very beginning, which makes me feel like I have nothing to look forward to. Play NL25-NL100 for 1-2 years just to reach NL200 where I started off at? Yuck. I know deep down inside thats what it takes, but if I can just heater my way through one time I'll be set!
High stakes scare me if I'm risking too much, they crush me if I dont have enough, and low stakes tilt/bore me that I blow right through rolls. When I lose a $50 pot to a suckout at small stakes I'm like "goddamnit wtf, fuck this, thats like a cbet at NL400, I can easily make this back if I were playing there". And if I get sucked out on at NL400, it doesnt tilt me since I dont get shown 23o gutshotting a set of aces.
If I get crushed live, I think it'll finally be the wakeup call that I need, because now that I have the capacity to seriously invest in a poker career I dont want to pass it up. If it means hiring a coach full time and grinding NL50, well hell even NL50 can make some pocket money. You still coaching? I'd be really interested in getting into HU since I like to play a lot of hands and b/c the money flows like champagne over titties. |
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joLin United States. Feb 10 2010 22:32. Posts 3818 | | |
"It's like, when I play with 5 BI's, I know the money is expendable, and as a result I dont play scared, and just do my best, which is all I can hope for."
the result is the same. youre just gonna go busto over and over again and its going to add up without you noticing.
"but if I can just heater my way through one time I'll be set! "
you wont be, bcuz youre going to lose it sooner or later.
"When I lose a $50 pot to a suckout at small stakes I'm like "goddamnit wtf, fuck this, thats like a cbet at NL400, I can easily make this back if I were playing there"."
this is just degen thinking and you will NEVER be a successful poker player if you think like this. what if you happen to get to 5/10 and get sucked out there. what are you going to think? this is just a blind at railheaven, i can just go steal a blind there?
"If I get crushed live, I think it'll finally be the wakeup call that I need"
i somehow doubt this is true. what about all the other times? those werent wakeup calls?
"I actually have a $6000 surplus in fun money, that the g/f is begging me to put towards a cruise, vacation, or even a trip to vegas if it gets me to spend it taking us out."
take her out man. dont donate it at midstakes. |
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exalted United States. Feb 11 2010 05:55. Posts 2918 | | |
well, the biggest problem is not the amount of money, its just the skill level at the tables
you need to go into the games thinking you have a long-term edge, even if you heater, then what, if you're actually "really" -ev in the games. the point is you want a long-term steady stream of income, regardless of however much that is.
sure, you can make 1k-2k really quickly in a day at nl200, and that is pretty much impossible at say, nl50, but similarly, you can also lose 1k/2k, which is something you can't afford atm.
if I were in your situation, i would definitely play nl50, because that is all my bankroll would allow. trying to run shit up isn't what you want to do cuz it hurts so hard when u run bad (and you eventually will) |
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