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NewbSaibot United States. Mar 25 2009 22:53. Posts 4948

So the other day I was questioning my ability to ever have discipline when I keep moving up prematurely. Well I was a little tight by loose bankroll standards. Wtf does that mean? It means I cant help but play with 10-15 buyins per limit, and for anyone with some skill and confidence, this is actually fine. I have neither, yet I act like I do. Therein lies the paradox. I'm too loose for normal BR management, and too tight for aggressive bankroll management. So someone told me to check out maynard's philosophies on MSNL bankroll mgm't, and of course I became all giddy with excitement and after meeting the requisite 8 BI rule, decided to take a shot at NL25. As most people commented, at these small stakes theres no real reason not to take shots since your roll is such a paltry amount of money in the first place, why hold yourself back indefinitely at NL2 (unless you are just starting out).

Anyway no drama here, had a good 1 buyin session, which is a nice confidence leveler for breaking in a new limit. I've played NL25 before (like most donks i've played a lot of limits, but hopefully THOSE days are behind me) so the bet sizes dont scare me or anything, albeit I did play a pretty weak tight game 25/15/4.3. I actually prefer to call this "picking my spots". Basically I engaged in hands which I deemed +EV, and if I felt I was ahead, I pounded fishy 50vpip villains for staying in with me. Hopefully as my BR increases so will my preflop aggressiveness. Nothing particularly special about this limit seen as of yet. I had a painfully aggressive strategy devised at NL2-NL10 that consisted of massive 5-6xBB raises preflop, full pot cbets and turn cbets, and big 5x raises vs opponents who donk out. I originally wrote that I will probably need to severely curtail this habit at NL25 as the money is starting to mean something to me now and I just dont feel like stacking off so frequently with the way I play.

Other than that, only note I have for today is one particular scenario I remember quite fondly from the days of yore, and that is the NL25 value bet. Yes I believe NL25 warrants it's own discussion around value betting tendencies. As I remember from 6-10 months ago, villains for some odd reason have a common tendency to value bet the nuts fucking weak as shit every single time. We're talkin puttin in $2.50 on the river into a $15 pot with a set of kings and shit. I remembered it then and I see it now, same ole shit, which is fine by me I guess. It does make folding a bit more difficult, and sometimes I pull out all sorts of excuses for calling, you know, "paying for information". Hopefully I'll keep my wits about me and not donate too much money for the above reasons which I deserve to be grilled over.

So cheers to taking shots, gogo $200 BR @ NL25!

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bye now

Sicks Macks United States. Mar 25 2009 23:59. Posts 3929

On March 25 2009 21:53 NewbSaibot wrote:
Anyway no drama here, had a good 1 buyin session, which is a nice confidence leveler for breaking in a new limit. I've played NL25 before (like most donks i've played a lot of limits, but hopefully THOSE days are behind me) so the bet sizes dont scare me or anything, albeit I did play a pretty weak tight game 25/15/4.3. I actually prefer to call this "picking my spots". Basically I engaged in hands which I deemed +EV, and if I felt I was ahead, I pounded fishy 50vpip villains for staying in with me. Hopefully as my BR increases so will my preflop aggressiveness. Nothing particularly special about this limit seen as of yet. I had a painfully aggressive strategy devised at NL2-NL10 that consisted of massive 5-6xBB raises preflop, full pot cbets and turn cbets, and big 5x raises vs opponents who donk out. I originally wrote that I will probably need to severely curtail this habit at NL25 as the money is starting to mean something to me now and I just dont feel like stacking off so frequently with the way I play.

Everything in bold is very bad imo

Mr. Will Throwit

Ftrunkz Australia. Mar 26 2009 00:30. Posts 384

lol grats man .

Out of curiosity, link to the post where he talks about his idea MSNL BR management?

y x x a x x x rb x x rb x x y

NewbSaibot United States. Mar 26 2009 00:31. Posts 4948

Yeah I had a few people say the same. I justified the betting because my raising range is always ahead of their calling range, so I looked at it as punishing them for being so loose, and considered it to be a value bet. Every time I won a showdown making fractional pot bets I always felt that villains would have called off a lot more. I also felt the aggression might be the only thing to keep them from floating me or peeling with overcards so often. Basically they HAD to have a hand to continue with the way I was betting.

bye now

NewbSaibot United States. Mar 26 2009 00:48. Posts 4948

On March 25 2009 23:30 Ftrunkz wrote:
lol grats man .

Out of curiosity, link to the post where he talks about his idea MSNL BR management?

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/645137/2/Bankroll_Management.html

Nothing particularly groundbreaking, dont expect some well thought out long winded explanation of all the variables of movin on up. More or less an eye opener for those of us who probably can move up, but dont out of fear or adhering to principles designed for higher limits. (Now watch me drop 3 BI's, tilt, drop 2 more, then finally be stuck back at NL5 again)

bye now

anon Lithuania. Mar 26 2009 02:24. Posts 5965

gl getting raped by variance :/

Doyle Brunson: Fights with your wife or girlfriend are not healthy for you bank roll

Uptown . Mar 26 2009 06:52. Posts 3557

wut I get no mention for telling you to go read it!?!?!?

Half Pot!

Maynard! United States. Mar 26 2009 14:22. Posts 4453

Take shots and go for gold or at least get to a stage where you feel that your time invested is worth the money/learning. Realistically, do you want to spend a year grinding out 2 or 5 or 10nl or whatever and end up with like 1k dollars for your efforts? Shit I'd rather pay 1k dollars and have 500 hours of free-time. Just keep a cool head. Try your best to learn. Don't be stubborn and play a limit with 2 buyins and go broke. Move-down when appropriate and try to realize when you're completely outclassed at a table.

GL

Now I really am a busto. Thanks FTP.

Last edit: 26/03/2009 14:22