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NeillyJQ United States. Jan 21 2009 06:32. Posts 8947

As stated in my recent blog, I've been playing SnG's, mostly HU SnG's and some of the double or nothings

(SG-Hattan from SC told me to give them a shot, followed his advice and did well)

So I've played 3 sessions so far

This is roughly 4.5 hrs of play

I accidently joined a PLO hu SnG and lost, so i joined another and won it to be even in that aspect (except THE RAKE got me for like .50)

Strategy

Double/Nothin - get chips n go into LDP
HU SnG's - just play your normal HU game

1/20/09

$5 double or nothings - avg session 8 - 14 games

Session 1 : 90min Profit $31 $5.40 Double or Nothing (non turbo)

Session 2 : 1hr Profit $4 $5.40 Double or Nothing (turbo)

HU SNG's - avg session 14 - 40 games

session 1 : 90 min Profit $20 $11 HU SnG's (turbos)
session 2 : 60 min Profit $70 $11/$23 HU SnG's (turbos)

http://www.liquidpoker.net/hand/hand.php?hand=613770

$126 in my first 2 days, 5 hours played, at my first days at this, I think this is way better than playing cash, that would probably take me 11 hrs to grind out on NL10. Therefore, I will continue to grind HU SnG's mainly and play some NL25 FR or double or nothings when I wanna just chill and kick it down a gear.

I also tried a couple midlimit ones to see the competetion difference which was really, really simple, most the players through each limit on HU SnG's that I've tried are not even comparable to a 1bb/100 winner at NL50 HU

All in all, I'm very happy with how the HU SnG's are, since you rarely play the same person over and over, which keeps my ego at bay and allows me to just play my A game

Also, if you lose the game, the worst that happens is 1bi loss, instead of getting deeper and deeper against a player you may not have an edge vs, or a player that may be running in god mode

The double or nothing SnG's are very profitable and i reccomend them to anyone who can intellectually think through SnG's, I pulled 8bi profit my first run of 12 of them, 2nd run I ran into alot of big hands and didn't do to well though, just a small profit

So, I'm going to do more sessions of the $5 double or nothings to find what kind of roi I can expect in the long run, after I have 5-6 full sessions put in, then I'll decide if they are as profitable if not more profitable than SnG's / micro stakes cash

I like the Double/Nothins because its very very hard to lose itlr* as long as you can win 52% of your games which is really easy imo

HU SnG's are turning out to be the easiest games I've ever played, I would be up a 100-200 but I've been sucked out on a ton in my first session (getting ppl down to 300 chips and them coming back with random trash - happened like 4 times) (and losing ai pf's at 50/100 A9 vs A4 etc) - no worries though, variance swings both ways

Its all good though, I'll give them another go tonight or tomorrow or sometime soon and keep LP posted on whats going on, I'm considering switching to HU SnG's permanantly with a mix of MTT's (since they are the same format, and while in MTT's, it will encourage me to keep grinding SnG's)

Obviously in the beginning while my roll is under 1k, I can't play many big MTT's, but I'll get in the 3rebuy and some $2 - $8.80 tournaments often and slam one out soon

for now im gonna go relax, get high and eat, on a really wacky sleep schedule

I'm enjoying these game selections very much, although idk if the double or nothings will be around for a long time or not, but I do know the HU SnG players are just terrible and I can dominate all the way up.

I'd like to build my roll up enough where I can play HU SnGs on one monitor and some MTT's on the other

This by no means, means that I'm quitting cashgames, because obviously thats not even close to the scenario, but I definitaley have 0% drive to play HU cash now and see it as -ev except for a few scenarios where I find it to be profitable.

What it does mean is that I hate grinding microstakes, I have tilt issues in cashgames from time to time (avg 1/8 days I tilt like a monkey and spew a ton of money)

I set a new stop loss that I can actually follow instead of overlooking

(10 buy-ins for cash)
(16 buy-ins for SnG) - more for sng's since usually have many running, and u can't really quit in the middle of a session with 6 tables still up

To finish this off, I've always been a tourney player, no matter how u look at it, its been my bread and butter, and its where I don't get rolled.

About 2 years ago rekrul said it right, "tourney donks luckbox big wins then go spew it at mid/high limits"

Well, I fullfilled that proficy for years, and believe me, it was something that ego drove me to do, there was no logic or thoughts from the heart while taking these ridiculous endeavors.

I'll be playing FR cashgames again soon as well when I'm looking for smaller sessions, although I think HU SnG's are going to be way more profitable itlr

OK, kinda baked and rambled on for a long time, just kinda thinking while I type, if you read it all then your a hero and you should probably reward yourself :-)

BR : 515.25

Edit : One of LP's 2/4 - 5/10 players (a good friend) offered me a $150 tournament stake for tournaments, I'm pretty sure I'll play these under my moms account so we can track them on OPR w/ no confusion.

tyatrnaisrfomnelliy - wonder if anyone can't read this on the first try

GL LP,
Ryan

(words some newer players may not understand)

*ldp = lockdown poker = don't play ANYTHING
*itlr = in the long run

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Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/

Last edit: 21/01/2009 14:11

gawdawaful Canada. Jan 21 2009 06:43. Posts 9015

I also tried a couple midlimit ones to see the competetion difference which was really, really simple, most the players through each limit on HU SnG's that I've tried are not even comparable to a 1bb/100 winner at NL50 HU

I dont think you've had nearly enough of a sample size to
a.) scratch the surface of the different players there are at each varying limit of HU SNGs
b.) draw comparisons between HU SNGs to a hu cash player attaining X level of winrate

but hey, stay positive and degen free. best of luck

Im only good at poker when I run good

NeillyJQ United States. Jan 21 2009 06:49. Posts 8947

On January 21 2009 05:43 gawdawaful wrote:

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I also tried a couple midlimit ones to see the competetion difference which was really, really simple, most the players through each limit on HU SnG's that I've tried are not even comparable to a 1bb/100 winner at NL50 HU

I dont think you've had nearly enough of a sample size to
a.) scratch the surface of the different players there are at each varying limit of HU SNGs
b.) draw comparisons between HU SNGs to a hu cash player attaining X level of winrate

but hey, stay positive and degen free. best of luck

I agree that I don't have much of a sample yet, and the X/level/winrate was a random assumption, I'm sure there are SOME really good HU SnG players, but since its all random, chances are very high that you'll be matched up with an inferior player

Also, thanks for your support, degen free since 1-09-09 iOi (wanted to say 1999 to be classic but this is just as gud )

GL guys, god knows I'll probably need some

Ryan

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/

Last edit: 21/01/2009 06:56

CrownRoyal United States. Jan 21 2009 09:46. Posts 11386

wanna 8 table $22 hu sngs until one of us goes busto?

WHAT IS THIS

CrownRoyal United States. Jan 21 2009 10:12. Posts 11386

nice sharkscope btw

WHAT IS THIS

all_in_4tw Canada. Jan 21 2009 11:17. Posts 4515

nice graph. i wish you success in 09

I sometimes fold AA preflop to balance my range

NeillyJQ United States. Jan 21 2009 13:03. Posts 8947

thx all_in_4tw

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/

NeillyJQ United States. Jan 21 2009 13:03. Posts 8947

crown no man, plz keep all degenerate stuff out of my blog, thats the last thing i need.

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/

NeillyJQ United States. Jan 21 2009 13:04. Posts 8947

i dont even care to ever play you, i dont want to have my ego in the game, i only want to win money vs the easiest competetion possible.

you are a competent player, theres no reason for me to waste my time playing you when theres 183,522 people logged onto pokerstars, you know?

Just remember you need to be god damn sure about their tendencies. -Artanis11 http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/neillyaa/

Parker417 United States. Jan 21 2009 17:56. Posts 331

cash games are better :D

casinocasino Canada. Jan 21 2009 18:07. Posts 3347

Hey NellyJQ where in america do u live?