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voodoouser   Iceland. Nov 02 2007 13:12. Posts 741 | | |
Hi,
here is a video of me playing poker NL10 at ultimatebet few hours ago.
If you take the time to watch it let me know what you think, as i'm a beginner all advices, critics, the good things/bad things(+insults) are welcome.
I re-recoreded the video at x2 to reduce the waiting time.
seesion stats:

video:
http://stage6.divx.com/user/paa789456/video/1808125/poker (enlarge for better view)
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lachlan   Australia. Nov 02 2007 13:44. Posts 6991 | | |
lol man ok im going to watch this cos i love watching other people play poker... one second
first thought... dont ever min-bet alright, achieves nothin
maybe raise a little higher preflop, but i guess that bet-pot button is pretty convenient aswell
dont limp from the button, RAISE from the button instead...
that hand that u lost with A3... he played that so shit... so dont worry about it
the one with quad queens, played alright i guess, but a shove on the river is better then that bet pot, that or a value bet.. something in between isnt as good i think |
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rgfdxm   United States. Nov 02 2007 13:47. Posts 1514 | | |
I'm also an NL10er and I'll take a look when I get home in a few hours, but keep in mind that 84 hands is a ridiculously tiny sample. |
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rgfdxm   United States. Nov 02 2007 17:15. Posts 1514 | | |
There are a bunch of hands I would have played differently. In the order they occurred:
Q6o SB vs BB - Didn't like this attempt to steal, you have a terrible hand and you're OOP if he flats.
KQo - I can understand getting scared by the A on the turn, but you made the second nut flush on the river. Your opponent had just shown down A2o in a huge 3way raised pot and was clearly a total donk, giving him credit for the As is silly. Raise that river minbet.
J7d - Don't really like the flop minbet with bottom pair, especially with the stationy donk still in the hand.
44 - Wow, this hand should have removed any doubts about cantwinjack's donkishness. Does he even know the rules? The limp is questionable I think.
K3d - I'd fold this.
Did that one_eye_green guy open fold to you twice on the flop in this section or am I missing something in the UB software? That's some pro nittiness.
I'd prefer a raise on the A9o immediately after the A7o steal.
Limping KQo? If you're unhappy about not getting action on the KJo, the answer is to raise more, not start limping hands you would be raising. Also minraising sucks. Don't do it.
77 - I'd cbet this. A on flop is not so nice, but you're in position, you're the preflop aggressor, there's only one overcard on you. The only thing the check behind accomplished was letting him see another card that might beat you. cbet/fold to raise on the flop doesn't lose you more money than waiting one street to bet/fold anyhow.
KTo - I'd punish the limper and raise this pf.
AQo - cbet please.
22 - The 44 earlier I guess I could see limping, you were UTG with a small pp on a loose table, but limp 22 as well, 4 handed? I don't like playing pocket pairs in limped pots, it's very hard to get paid off when you hit and you will win with a cbet a lot of the time you miss anyway.
76h - raise please, suited connector on the button.
KTo - call pf OOP, lead into the preflop aggressor for most of his stack when you miss and call a shove? Might as well just shove over him pf? Nice suckout btw.
KJd - your pf raise here was $0.30 - smaller than when you use the "bet pot" button when it folds to you. Your preflop raise should generally be larger when there are limpers, not smaller.
A3s - don't like the limp. What are you doing, flush mining? Anyway, once you hit 2p I'm sure this hand looked nice, but checking the turn is a mistake. There are already three diamonds on the board, you can't let him draw if he's holding one. As played you have to fold to the river raise, I think. That's a big raise and you don't beat much. Him playing so passively smells like slowplay, too, since he's apparently not worried about you drawing to more diamonds either.
AQo - see KJd 2 hands up. Also, looooooool. But you really should have gone with your careful raise on the river rather than that huge last-second one.
JQo - yuck, more limping. And why would you call that turn bet? You're getting horrible odds to draw to the flush. Seems spewy.
Anyway, as I said I play NL10 as well so I'm no expert, and there will obviously be style differences in how we play. It looks to me like the real problem hands are the KQo river flush (missed value), AQo (no cbet), A3s (fold preflop), JQo (fold preflop), and various limped hands that should be raised (pocket pairs, that one KQo, 76h on the button).
Overall it looks like your PFR% is kinda low from all the limped hands. Also watch out for those preflop raise sizes. |
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rgfdxm   United States. Nov 02 2007 17:21. Posts 1514 | | |
Also thx for 2x, made it watchable. Do you always 1-table? |
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PplusAD   Germany. Nov 02 2007 17:50. Posts 7182 | | |
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U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz) | |
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rgfdxm   United States. Nov 02 2007 17:54. Posts 1514 | | |
I didn't either. I assumed there wasn't any. |
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voodoouser   Iceland. Nov 02 2007 18:10. Posts 741 | | |
first thank you for your advices (lachlan_fearn & rgfdxm) they're precious to me.
I have to agree with almost everything you said exept maybe raising PF with very small pocket pairs like 22 or 44 ,i dont know if i'm right but i dont like it.
KTo i did it because i saw him raising PF with nothing many times but i have to agree again that was not the wiser thing to do.
76h - raise please, suited connector on the button. << i thought you have to play suited connetors for the minimum PF, dont know where i read that btw.
- I often play on two tables to avoid falling asleep when no hands coming but to take the vid i chose to play on one only.
- no there is no sound (to reduce the file size).
Thanks again 
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rgfdxm   United States. Nov 02 2007 18:25. Posts 1514 | | |
About that KTo I agree, he was very loose preflop. That's why I think shoving on him pf is better than letting him see a flop if you intend to put him all in anyway.
About suited connectors, I've seen beginner guides elsewhere that say stuff like "big hands are best played heads-up, since they can get outdrawn. but drawing hands like suited connectors play best in multiway pots where you can get pot odds to draw to your hand." I think people misapply this though. If the whole table has limped to you, then sure, limp a suited connector and hope to hit a monster cheaply. But if there aren't a ton of people in the pot, you're not going to get pot odds to be playing suited connectors that way profitably. It's more important to abuse aggression and position to make your money in most normal cases where pot odds don't justify a limp.
When the table folds to you on the button, your raising range should be wider than for any other position preflop. Suited connectors are suddenly attractive here, whereas under the gun they might be instafolds. The reason is that you can abuse your position to the utmost, and unlike just raising with any two on the button suited connectors flop quite well. You'll often take down the pot on a cbet even if you miss, and you're more likely to hit than with most hands anyhow. This is the ideal time to be flopping something like a straight draw or a flush draw, since you are in position.
I tend to play suited connectors more when the table is nitty, because I'm more likely to take it down with the preflop raise or the cbet, and I also need to have a higher PFR% on a nitty table to get action on my big hands. Either way most of the time they should probably be a raise or fold preflop. There really shouldn't be very many hands that are good enough for you to want to play but that you don't want to raise with. For most hands, it's not good enough to raise it, fold it.
My preflop stats are just a little under 17/14. You played this session at 23/13 (over a very tiny sample, admittedly). I've played sessions as loose as 24/21, but notice how the PFR stays close to VPIP. 23/13 is a loooot better than the near-zero PFR of your last couple of blog posts, so you're getting there. I think learning the power of cbets really let me bump up my PFR, but if the table plays loose and doesn't respect cbets much, I'd advise that you respond by tightening up, not limping more. Less VPIP, not less PFR. |
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rgfdxm   United States. Nov 02 2007 18:34. Posts 1514 | | |
Also about small pocket pairs, why would you raise something like 88 but not 22? 88 isn't too likely to be the best hand at the river either. All small pocket pairs are played for set value. Plus, any set is a very strong hand. The goal with a pocket pair that's not likely to be an overpair is to hit your set and get lots of money from the opponent. That's why implied odds are a huge consideration for dealing with pocket pairs preflop, and it's just too hard to build a large limped pot.
By raising them preflop you are much more likely to extract good value when you hit a set, and even though you're putting more money in the pot when you miss than you were before, don't forget that you were the preflop raiser. They don't know you missed with a pocket pair. Your cbets with a small pocket pair will take down the pot as often as your cbets with AA. It takes some practice to judge which boards and opponents are better to cbet into, but you have to learn it. Also, in general I think you should watch the hands you aren't involved in carefully and try to remember opponents' tendencies. Does UB software let you take notes on other players? I highly recommend doing so if you can.
Edit: Again, I'm used to nitty tables. If they play loose postflop and you think you can get a lot of money in a limped pot when you hit, and you also might have to worry about getting reraised liberally preflop, then limping small pocket pairs makes sense. |
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voodoouser   Iceland. Nov 03 2007 08:42. Posts 741 | | |
what you say make sense for me, i have to think about it while i'm playing.
- yes UB software let me put notes on players, i'll try to stop my lazyness and do it now.
| My preflop stats are just a little under 17/14. You played this session at 23/13 (over a very tiny sample, admittedly). I've played sessions as loose as 24/21, but notice how the PFR stays close to VPIP. 23/13 is a loooot better than the near-zero PFR of your last couple of blog posts, so you're getting there. I think learning the power of cbets really let me bump up my PFR, but if the table plays loose and doesn't respect cbets much, I'd advise that you respond by tightening up, not limping more. Less VPIP, not less PFR. |
i probably still limp too much because i dont trust enough the strengh of the cb. Maybe it's worth to try a session with zero limping and 100% cb to see what happen.
Also as you said i should give more importance to my position, i realise that i dont really give attention to it probably because i still dont have all the keys to fully understand it's strengh, i have to educate myself .
| Also about small pocket pairs, why would you raise something like 88 but not 22? 88 isn't too likely to be the best hand at the river either. All small pocket pairs are played for set value. Plus, any set is a very strong hand. The goal with a pocket pair that's not likely to be an overpair is to hit your set and get lots of money from the opponent. That's why implied odds are a huge consideration for dealing with pocket pairs preflop, and it's just too hard to build a large limped pot. |
i read somewhere that you have 1/8 chance to make a set with a pair on the flop that's why i 99% limp with them (very small pairs). Once again from what you said i should raise then cb.
I'll try !
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