NL25 deep -- AA 5 way pot on flop

I can think of two possible plays.

Raise and fold to push or call and check fold turn to reasonable bet. What do you think is better and why? Or any other ideas?

Submitted by : roller17

Full Tilt Poker Game #12979903548: Table Good (6 max, deep) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:37:00 ET - 2009/06/23
Seat 1: Stylite5 ($67.26)
Seat 2: jazzhands ($31.71)
Seat 3: roller1717 ($56.60)
Seat 4: diabolic ($47.41)
Seat 5: waskya ($16.99)
Seat 6: nikndime ($11.95)
nikndime posts the small blind of $0.10
Stylite5 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #5

Holecards
Dealt to roller1717
jazzhands folds
jazzhands stands up
roller1717 raises to $0.85
diabolic calls $0.85
waskya calls $0.85
nikndime has 15 seconds left to act
RELsezHIGH adds $25
nikndime calls $0.75
Stylite5 calls $0.60

Flop (Pot : $4.25)

   
nikndime checks
Stylite5 checks
roller1717 has 15 seconds left to act
roller1717 bets $3.25
diabolic folds
waskya folds
nikndime folds
Stylite5 raises to $6.75
roller1717 has 15 seconds left to act
roller1717 raises to $18.25
Stylite5 raises to $66.41, and is all in

raise more pf -.-

why would you ever 3bet here and fold to a shove? thats probably the worst possible option.

dont 3 bet if you're not gonna go with it

i think you can fold to the flop raise here...

4BB PF raise, and call flop, evalutate turn imo

you get deep NL25 tables at FT? how many are there usually?

fold

probably fold deep, kinda looks like he was set mining

On June 23 2009 04:43 LemOn[5thF] wrote: you get deep NL25 tables at FT? how many are there usually?

Depends on the time of day but usually 5+ - and all usually worth sitting at.

On June 23 2009 04:04 joLin wrote: why would you ever 3bet here and fold to a shove? thats probably the worst possible option.

Well, That is what I did. I made it 18 and when he made it 55 I folded. It was very obvious by that point that he had me beat. I don't think their is any way he could have AQ, he would have raised pf I assume. same with KK and QQ. So that leaves 58, 55, 88, and maybe Q8 or Q5. probably the former 3.

I feel that if I fold to the min raise I don't have enough information cause he just min raised, but a lot of time min raises do seem to show a lot of strength, especially at these limits. Further, If i Call, then how big a bet am I willling to call on the turn? I suppose maybe call, c/f would be the best play? Then, even if I hit my A my hand doesn't really improve, unless they have 58... and by calling am I just hopin for the turn to go c/c, otherwise I might as well just fold the flop, but it seems like a bad play to fold with such a weak raise... Hmmm

On June 23 2009 04:04 joLin wrote: why would you ever 3bet here and fold to a shove? thats probably the worst possible option.

And while I agree after thinking that the raise was not the best play, I think it would be an even worse play to 3bet and then call the shove, even with invested money, cuz its 36 more and i'm 98% sure I am beat.

On June 23 2009 20:23 roller17 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2009 04:04 joLin wrote: why would you ever 3bet here and fold to a shove? thats probably the worst possible option. Then, even if I hit my A my hand doesn't really improve

I agree with most of what you said, but hitting your A = nuts.

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If their set improves to a full while I improve to a set?

there will never be a situation where you both have sets and only one person has a full house in hold em

On June 23 2009 22:39 roller17 wrote: Show nested quote + I agree with most of what you said, but hitting your A = nuts. If their set improves to a full while I improve to a set?

lol you should move down if you think an A doesnt give you the nuts

he raised pot, theres nothing wrong with his preflop raise if thats his standard raise. when u bet and he raises, just pitch it. its so multiway that he probably has it

On June 23 2009 22:55 vlseph wrote: there will never be a situation where you both have sets and only one person has a full house in hold em

88v76

778

??

trips == set

On June 23 2009 22:39 roller17 wrote: If their set improves to a full while I improve to a set?

Uh. You should probably think about that one for a bit.

On June 24 2009 01:20 SpeedyJack wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2009 22:55 vlseph wrote: there will never be a situation where you both have sets and only one person has a full house in hold em 88v76 778 ??

The term "set" only applies to pocket pairs.

ive seen ppl use set for trips before.. but generally ppl mean when u have a PP

so i understand u being confused

flop is super close between call and fold, folding is prob better, its a 6 way flop in full ring, you are sooo crushed here

3-betting flop is BY FAR the worse option, dont get into a habbit of doing this unless you know villian is a retard who wil stack off with QK here

On June 24 2009 09:27 genjix wrote: ive seen ppl use set for trips before.. but generally ppl mean when u have a PP so i understand u being confused

thank you

fold

set/fullhouse comment completely retarded on my part....

But thanks for the opinions on folding vs calling/raising. I think it is agreed that this is a clear FOLD after the min raise given the preflop action.

Definitely raise to $1 pre utg. After the flop cbet and getting raised its a pretty easy muck 6 handed. Shitty folding it but you basically have no chance of being good here vs so many players

On June 24 2009 11:01 TalentedTom wrote: 3-betting flop is BY FAR the worse option, dont get into a habbit of doing this unless you know villian is a retard who wil stack off with QK here