who is right

crown knew before the second game started that i would know where he started

he just didnt expect that strategy
just like i didnt expect his strategy to get kerrigan out using scvs

there was no hidden informations at all

Explain more about the random start locations and how they work.

well its simple

I MADE THE MAP but its an ums. so its not a random location
but first game i didnt tell him where i put my base

but second game the base was still at the same spot, and crown knew this, but he still accepted the bet

On August 14 2008 01:54 Heero wrote: Explain more about the random start locations and how they work.

It's a UMS map so floofy could pick wherever he wanted to start on the map.

There isn't randomness in start locations in UMS maps I don't think and defnintely not on this map we have been playing.

My point is that shouldn't the bet be the same in that I should get to pick my random start location? It's my stupidity for not realizing it beforehand but i told him before even 5 seconds in that it wasn't fair and i wanted to leave so it's not like i played it out and then cried.

its like if as soon as i saw he got kerrigan out i cancelled the game, woulda been cheap

that's so entirely different though floofy because we AGREED on that bet.

on this bet we AGREED on a random start location.

that isnt true

we never agreed for a random location on the second game
only on the first

but the basis and only way the bet is even remotely fair and not burning money is a random start location it's immoral to even play that bet out in my eyes

well the kerrigan bet, the only way it is even remotly fair is kerrigan being locked

for those who are wondering about the kerrigan bet,

crown had a 1000 life, 50 damage, 5 armor kerrigan, along with tons of things (2 ccs, 12 scvs, 4 ports, 4 bunks, 4 turrets, 2 magellan)

and all i had was vision + 2 computers + 1 canon and a pylon

so its obvious if kerrigan isnt locked theres no way i can win

No because i didnt know going into the game how my units were even locked. I didn't know that it would work, and it was fair within the rules of the set bet.

The rules of this bet were random start location.

yes for the first game

on second game we never specified it had to be random

if u wanted it to be random its obvious u had to ask me to remake the map or something. u knew it wouldnt be random dont lie

I don't play BW, but imo it sounds like CR noticed the flaw of the game a couple of seconds in to the game wanting to abort,
if nothing in the game had happened i think you should have agreed to do so. Technically I think the bet should still stand,
but you hustled yourself to an easy win and from an ethic point of view I think you should let CR pull out from the bet.

barbie i agree with you i guess

but crown did many similar hustles.

one of em was, he had to guess whether 1 alan shectar + 5 gol would beat his mojo+artanis+1 scout
and he just ran around the map for hours..... until i alt tabbed and he slowly got my gols down

so i dont feel bad doing one too

that isn't a hustle i picked the scouts because they had shields

you offered which side i would want and i told you

Royal is right. cbf really elaborating beyond that the first bet is legit because you both agreed to the same conditions. What happens DURING the game is irrelevant to those stipulations.
Second game you both did not agree on the same conditions, that being that crown gets to pick his location.

The difference to what is during the game and what is a condition is that the condition is agreed on prior to the game and is an important factor in whether or not crown agrees.
The digging out of the minerals happens during the game and floofy makes it clear that he did not have that in mind when making the agreement.

crown never said he wanted his location to be random

Did CrownRoyal knew that spawn location was not random (that he was going to spawn there?) if so then its legit, ir not it isnt.

I also believe the Kerrigan bet was a cheat, the bet was intended for you to have the kerrigan locked and not for u to use a bug to abuse this, that is not the spirit of the bet and i think its cheating.

yes crown knew his location wasnt going to be random

yeah i should have known it wasn't random but floofy just quickly asked me for him to try it which i thought was sorta strange cause he wont ever play as the lone guy and stuff.

In my mind I assumed it was gonna be the same bet and I was theorizing my strategy for what I was gonna do and the second the game started i immediately said that i wanted to redo the bet because I thought I was betting on random start location and not a set one.

On August 14 2008 03:23 Baal wrote: Did CrownRoyal knew that spawn location was not random (that he was going to spawn there?) if so then its legit, ir not it isnt. I also believe the Kerrigan bet was a cheat, the bet was intended for you to have the kerrigan locked and not for u to use a bug to abuse this, that is not the spirit of the bet and i think its cheating.

i miss these ums maps

heres a tip:

Floofy will only make a bet with you (no matter how trivial the amount) only if he has an enormous edge.

why don't you guys stop cheating each other all the time? you're like little kids.

I don't play BW so I am not sure but I think Crown is right, maybe you didn't agree on a random location but you got to pick your starting spot and I think Crown deserves the same thing in his game but after a few seconds into the game it was obvious he had the same starting spot as you had the first game and so had a big disadvantage not being allowed or whatever to choose his own starting position.

hes right cause you accepted the bet without thinking. as soon as you accept and are in the game, thats that. take it as a valuable lesson and pay up

also i dont think any of the past instances that won the game were cheating

if you knew there was no terrain in the first game you had to know you could abuse that bug to get your unit out so you both cheated, this bet should stand, you got hustled etc.

On August 14 2008 06:15 Yugless wrote: why don't you guys stop cheating each other all the time? you're like little kids.

QTF

And if you indend to cheat/angleshoot/whatever then dont come bitching like a little girl when your opponent does the same thing to you.

I think you're both being complete faggots when it comes to bw-bets =[.

i dont see how ive been a faggot

it wasnt obvious to me crown could get out his kerrigan

but it was obvious to crown that the location wouldnt be random

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Alex a dit :
u up for a game
David - KwarK a dit :
pokering
Alex a dit :
k

Alex dit :
me and crown have a dispute on a bet im interested in your opinion on who is righ
David - KwarK dit :
kk
Alex dit :
first bet was:
me n 2 comps vs him, but he started with 10 armor
and i picked my start location
Alex dit :
so i won
Alex dit :
then i offer to reverse it, and hes like sure!
Alex dit :
then i start the game, and i have the brillant idea to scv rush him. as soon as he realize this, he wants to cancel bet
Alex dit :
whos right
David - KwarK dit :
if there were no preconditions
David - KwarK dit :
you
Alex dit :
preconditions?
David - KwarK dit :
as in things you'd agreed before that you couldn't do
David - KwarK dit :
like the pulling the enemies workers
Alex dit :
no none of that
David - KwarK dit :
you can't cancel the bet just because you didn't think of the strategy your opponent is going to use
Alex dit :
crown's point is that, on first bet, we agreed that my location was "hidden" from him. he claims second bet shoulda been the same. but he never specified that
David - KwarK dit :
so you agreed to switch around the bet
David - KwarK dit :
and then changed it?
Alex dit :
well it was obvious that my the location wasnt hidden anymore
Alex dit :
since we just played the map lol
David - KwarK dit :
so you didn't change the map at all you just knew where he'd be because of the last time
David - KwarK dit :
that's fair enough
Alex dit :
yes but he knew i didnt change it
Alex dit :
he never asked for a change
David - KwarK dit :
yeah
David - KwarK dit :
i agree with you here







Alex dit :
also curious about that other bet

the bet was he was vs me n 2 comps, but he has an extremely powerfull hero. however that powerfull hero was stuck in mineral, and we assumed he needed a dropship to liberate it

but he used a trick to get it out (scv stack or something)
is that cheap
David - KwarK dit :
no
David - KwarK dit :
you didn't think of it and tell him he couldn't do it
Alex dit :
ok