High Stakes Poker - Page 72

On March 31 2009 05:36 Ket wrote: lolol the next generation will become tight to adjust and we'll be complaining about those 'nitty internet kids' then we can have spewtard grandkids and the cycle continues

I think Internet Poker will be over much sooner, when very strong bots appear.

i dont think you'll ever see a robot that can destroy a human.

lol.. bots
quit playing poker if u realy belive in this shit

worst episode so far, but thats nothing really.

I love Barry

On March 31 2009 07:30 morph1 wrote: lol.. bots quit playing poker if u realy belive in this shit

If bots can own chess they can own poker imo. Especially if they have huge databases. There are many spots where you can prove with maths that a move is EV+.

But maybe maths are idiotic :D

Chess is a perfect information game, poker is not.

Poker is not going to be defeated by the same techniques as were used in chess. However, advances are made, and I have confidence that quite soon bots can play stronger than your average amateur.

I wish someone would create a bot that could auto-post responses relevant to the thread to stop it being de-railed.

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On March 31 2009 07:30 morph1 wrote: lol.. bots quit playing poker if u realy belive in this shit

Garry Kasparov once said:
"I will always beat the machine".

Didn't take long

Does anyone know how much is everyone up/down to this point?

On March 31 2009 07:57 boblion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 31 2009 07:30 morph1 wrote: lol.. bots quit playing poker if u realy belive in this shit If bots can own chess they can own poker imo. Especially if they have huge databases. There are many spots where you can prove with maths that a move is EV+. But maybe maths are idiotic :D

poker and chess are soooooooo much different games
i actually doubt there will be bot raping top NL players ever
atleast till there will be some kind of advanced AI

poker is 10000 times more complex than chess actually.

You're probably missing quite a few zeroes, Baal.

No its not

Speaking in terms of strictly permutations and possible scenarios, even the fact that poker often has more than two players makes it quite a bit more complicated for a bot to solve. Most game like chess are often solved with an existing database as well as a brute force type algorithm, afaik.

On March 31 2009 12:25 Baal wrote: poker is 10000 times more complex than chess actually.

If you really mean that, I hope you are ready to put your money where your mouth is.
I'm pretty sure you don't know chess at all to say something that stupid

how long would it take a top poker player to go pro in chess?

its not a stretch for there eventually be a good nl bot that decently approximates game theory optimal play, but it'll just be a bot people 'can't beat' in the long run (or at least won't be able to beat for very much). this bot wont make nearly as much money as the best human players though because the real tough problem thats completely unthinkably impossible for a bot to do close to as well as a good human is exploitive play. good players will always eat up the weaker players at the table faster than the GTO bot ever can

also i think baal is talking about for a computer/algorithm poker is 1000000 more complex, not for the human mind. in this case he is right

On March 31 2009 13:46 fakeshaver wrote: how long would it take a top poker player to go pro in chess?

more than top chess turn into pro in poker imo ;p