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whammbot   Belarus. May 17 2023 05:01. Posts 517

The scary thing about all this is this particular leap is available to everyone now. Coding alone vastly reduces the need for huge teams and for the malicious guys in the space this is a godsend. Imagine this thing being available is barely even in it's 6th month and each day there's some crazy disruption or illegal activity going on. It's impact is actually harder to contain than the internet or cryptocurrency.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/01/te...le-chatbot-engineer-quits-hinton.html

guy who helped create this thing even resigned. Elon Musk who helped fund it is even upset that it's turned into a for-profit model when in fact it was designed to not be one.

 Last edit: 17/05/2023 05:03

Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 25 2023 05:28. Posts 5291

You could probably implement a type of barcode into every A.I.- generated character and image by generating a sequence of slightly different rbg values into several pixels that are not human-detectable and are a distinct pattern. Then governments could regulate the use of algorithms to enforce these barcodes, at least for A.I. generated images and text. This would allow machines to easily detect whether something else is made by a machine. If people copy pasted text from chatgpt they would be copy pasting the barcodes. It would need strong legal enforcement since you could also make machines that would erase the barcode. That's my idea.

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Daut    United States. May 30 2023 17:16. Posts 8955

People who think AI will never be as smart or creative or well rounded as humans: you're not as smart as you think you are, and you're orders of magnitude less smart than true AI will be.

Other than someone bioengineering unstoppable deadly viruses, this is the biggest threat to our existence as a species.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 30 2023 17:38. Posts 5291


  On May 30 2023 16:16 Daut wrote:
People who think AI will never be as smart or creative or well rounded as humans: you're not as smart as you think you are, and you're orders of magnitude less smart than true AI will be.

Other than someone bioengineering unstoppable deadly viruses, this is the biggest threat to our existence as a species.



The implication behind thinking we can achieve AGI anytime soon is thinking that we humans are so unbelievably intelligent that we are going to figure out things like free will, consciousness, and other things we have made virtually no progress on for the last thousands of years. Either that or the view that humans can be explained with gradient descent, cross-entropy loss, and backpropagation, which is pretty stupid. You cannot explain much less complex animals with deep learning algorithms. So yes, thinking we are close to AGI is pretty arrogant, on top of being an irrational view, and there being a highly inaccurate record of prediction in this research area.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 30/05/2023 17:39

PuertoRican   United States. Jun 05 2023 03:44. Posts 13030


  On May 30 2023 16:16 Daut wrote:
People who think AI will never be as smart or creative or well rounded as humans: you're not as smart as you think you are, and you're orders of magnitude less smart than true AI will be.

Other than someone bioengineering unstoppable deadly viruses, this is the biggest threat to our existence as a species.


Facts

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Loco   Canada. Jun 09 2023 04:25. Posts 20963


  On May 30 2023 16:16 Daut wrote:
People who think AI will never be as smart or creative or well rounded as humans: you're not as smart as you think you are, and you're orders of magnitude less smart than true AI will be.

Other than someone bioengineering unstoppable deadly viruses, this is the biggest threat to our existence as a species.



If we're not as smart as we think we are, why do you trust your own judgment of what is the biggest threat to our existence? That's one hell of a leap to make. How would you even weigh the possible damage of intentional harm from bioengineering vs what could come unintentionally in our unnatural world?

There is only one group of people who thinks AI is the biggest threat to our existence, and it's people working in tech. Those people are not the "smartest" people in the world. They have a specific kind of intelligence and view the world from a limited perspective. Usually these people are pretty well off financially, which tells you something.

It amazes me that people can believe in this ideology when it has no obvious way to be an issue without us interfering to include it in our lives. AI can't be the biggest threat to our world simply because it is going to be in our hands at all times, unless it can become embodied, which, by the time it could, this planet will already be one big fireball. AI is dependent on architecture that receives inputs from us. It can always be turned off. It is a threat for other reasons than existential ones.

What is even a good example of creativity from an AI? Has an AI ever produced something completely new and original? Has it been an overt influence on people's thinking? Does AI have ideas that philosophers work with in philosophy departments?

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CurbStomp2   Finland. Jun 09 2023 21:50. Posts 261

will the self driving tesla taxis be out before ai is gonna kill us all? maybe it's right after we colonize mars...


Baalim   Mexico. Jun 10 2023 02:47. Posts 34246


  On May 30 2023 16:38 Stroggoz wrote:
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The implication behind thinking we can achieve AGI anytime soon is thinking that we humans are so unbelievably intelligent that we are going to figure out things like free will, consciousness, and other things we have made virtually no progress on for the last thousands of years. Either that or the view that humans can be explained with gradient descent, cross-entropy loss, and backpropagation, which is pretty stupid. You cannot explain much less complex animals with deep learning algorithms. So yes, thinking we are close to AGI is pretty arrogant, on top of being an irrational view, and there being a highly inaccurate record of prediction in this research area.


Just like pretty much every invention since the dawn of time we will stumble upon it while studing it, we dont need to "understand free will and consciousness" to create it, nobody in the field has even mentioned something like that, if it happens it will be from a self-improving mechanist just like we improved our own consciousness as species through time.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 10 2023 03:19. Posts 34246


  On June 09 2023 03:25 Loco wrote:
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If we're not as smart as we think we are, why do you trust your own judgment of what is the biggest threat to our existence? That's one hell of a leap to make. How would you even weigh the possible damage of intentional harm from bioengineering vs what could come unintentionally in our unnatural world?


Daut: We overestimate our intelligence
Loco: If we are so dumb, how come you can think

lol


  There is only one group of people who thinks AI is the biggest threat to our existence, and it's people working in tech.



If virologists working bioengineering viruses told me that these viruses are the biggest existencia threat to mankind I'd fucking listen.


  Usually these people are pretty well off financially, which tells you something.



They are also probably mostly CIS straight white men, shees... don't listen to them.


  It amazes me that people can believe in this ideology when it has no obvious way to be an issue without us interfering to include it in our lives. AI can't be the biggest threat to our world simply because it is going to be in our hands at all times, unless it can become embodied, which, by the time it could, this planet will already be one big fireball. AI is dependent on architecture that receives inputs from us. It can always be turned off. It is a threat for other reasons than existential ones.



Yeah it will take 5 billion years to get embodied AI, It's not like there are already experimental military drones running on AI or millions of electric vehicles running on crude AI and will have billions of them in the upcoming decades.

Yeah I guess if it goes out of control we can turn the internet off, destroy all our satellites cut off the intercontinental cables, if that doesnt work we can pull the electricity lerver off, and if they somehow harvest their own energy then we can go full animatrix and block the earth from the sun, theres always an off button lol.

The whole argument is that when we realize is too dangerous it will be too late, it will be too smart and far too integrated with us, how can you miss the main point of the danger, wich is that when it "switches on" there is no turning back, we rolled the dice.


  What is even a good example of creativity from an AI? Has an AI ever produced something completely new and original? Has it been an overt influence on people's thinking? Does AI have ideas that philosophers work with in philosophy departments?



"But does it create" hahaha the same quality of argument of "But does it have a soul".

Cant wait for AI to keep absolutely demolishing the creative areas before it even can open a soda bottle while leftoids are debating wether if the AI's masterwork is original or a collage of images, because only men can conjure from the ether

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jun 10 2023 07:49. Posts 5291

Descartes's definition of a soul is actually fairly scientific at the time. He basically says it's this thing that gives humans the ability to reason, whatever that thing is. So to say we have a soul could be interpreted as saying "Do we have a thing that allows us to reason", and so you could very reasonably argue that human beings have souls, since they can reason. The issue is that it's a very vague definition. This however might be acceptable for the time period.
Descartes was a genius but he was a self-conscious bootlicker and had megalomania, and was also a sadist who enjoyed torturing animals. He may also be partly responsible for the climate crisis due in part to entrenching Western philosophy with materialist views. Francis Bacon is another culprit.

I'm not sure if there is an off-button. Cloud Storage uses something called sharding which replicates and distributes your data to servers on 3-4 continents, to dramatically reduce the chance of it ever being erased from a war or a massive flood, ect. The only off button would be to simultaneously destroy all data centres in the world. I don't believe this Terminator thing is anything more than science fiction at this point though heh.

Also, people need to stop associating working in "tech" with being a silicon valley billionaire douchebag.

A.I. is glorious technology imo, and of great benefit to everyone. I refuse to shift blame for social credit score calculations from the CCP onto something like "A.I."

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 10/06/2023 07:51

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jun 10 2023 08:34. Posts 5291


  On June 09 2023 03:25 Loco wrote:
Show nested quote +



If we're not as smart as we think we are, why do you trust your own judgment of what is the biggest threat to our existence? That's one hell of a leap to make. How would you even weigh the possible damage of intentional harm from bioengineering vs what could come unintentionally in our unnatural world?

There is only one group of people who thinks AI is the biggest threat to our existence, and it's people working in tech. Those people are not the "smartest" people in the world. They have a specific kind of intelligence and view the world from a limited perspective. Usually these people are pretty well off financially, which tells you something.

It amazes me that people can believe in this ideology when it has no obvious way to be an issue without us interfering to include it in our lives. AI can't be the biggest threat to our world simply because it is going to be in our hands at all times, unless it can become embodied, which, by the time it could, this planet will already be one big fireball. AI is dependent on architecture that receives inputs from us. It can always be turned off. It is a threat for other reasons than existential ones.

What is even a good example of creativity from an AI? Has an AI ever produced something completely new and original? Has it been an overt influence on people's thinking? Does AI have ideas that philosophers work with in philosophy departments?



1 You haven't defined creativity so it's impossible to answer. You could write a program to randomly generate 0's and 1's 1000 times to get a sequence of 1's and 0's that no one's used before... but if that's creativity, it's a very limited, and restrictive form of it. Creativity needs to be more clearly defined to answer this. This is all that chatgpt can do. Actually, here are the technical details. When you ask it a question it turns your question into a high-dimensional vector or two and then looks up the closest vector in a database, and turns that vector into text. That's basically all it does. The location of each vector encodes "meaning". That meaning is found by counting how many times different words occur near each other. It is not really creating anything, it's retrieving some vectors that it calculated just over a year ago, and stringing them together, returning them, then turning them into text. Those vectors are stored on something like excel spreadsheet (lol).

2 I don't think you can call it completely new and original since it's all trained off human/bot made data.

3 Google search algorithm has been mostly powered by A.I. since 2020, using an al-gore-rythm called BERT. I'm not sure that I'd call it overt, but it's not a secret that A.I. is used intentionally to control people's thoughts with suppression of views that the tech industry doesn't like. Google's CEO bragged to Trump about suppressing left-wing websites in order to convince him that he didn't have a left-wing bias. Google also stopped recommending children's videos to pedos on youtube. That's controlling someones thoughts and habits in an overt way imo.

4 What's an idea? This can't be talked about rationally until you or someone defines what having an idea is. I'm giving the same answer that Turing gave to "can machines think?" If we want to do good science, then we will be practicing extreme levels of pedantry. Coming up with definitions is the highest form of genius when it comes to these debates. It is not possible to say something more intelligent than asking someone to define something here.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 10/06/2023 08:37

Loco   Canada. Jun 11 2023 11:07. Posts 20963

1. Look up literally any definition of creativity in a dictionary. It doesn't really suit what an AI does, or will ever do.

2. Yes. You can say it's new in terms of what other AI used to do, but the blurring of boundaries between human and bot and thinking the bot can transcend the human's meaningful creativity is completely different and quite silly. The idea that human beings are just another kind of limited machine and that our minds are like computers is part of a set of old technological beliefs that refuse to die in the popular imagination, but is not at all taken seriously in the cognitive sciences anymore.

3. It's not really overt since it's happening in the background. Most pedos have no idea about what is being restricted to them, and they are not forced to use Google for pedo videos, so it's not controlling their thoughts in any way. In that space they are simply imposed some limitations, like not finding a treasure trove of perfect videos for them very easily, but they can still find things. And it's not the AI, it's Google who made the decision after receiving push back from people. It's not another AI that solved the issue. This same AI initially recommended the videos and created the rabbit hole.

4. Thinking involves agency; it's the conscious weighing of possible decisions and their consequences. An AI does not think because an AI does not feel, and thinking is a tool to navigate the world for a feeling creature. Rationality itself cannot be disconnected from feelings. You can look up Antonio Damasio's experiments on gambling and his notion of the "somatic marker" for examples. In one of them it's easy to get a gambler who has frontal lobe damage to consistently go broke in a way that a normal person never would because they cannot rely on loss-aversion to steer them in the right direction, since they don't have fear as a motivation to become loss-averse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_marker_hypothesis

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jun 11 2023 22:08. Posts 5291

I'd basically agree with all of those 4 points, given those definitions.

For point 3 I didn't actually mean that the A.I. was making people think all by itself. All of these algorithms require outsiders to set parameters.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jun 13 2023 04:40. Posts 13030

AI will probably take over the world at some point, or at least be a major part of it, so much so that humans won't be able to live without it. Hopefully that happens after my lifetime.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jun 13 2023 10:59. Posts 5291

Nvidia stock went up $250 billion this year from the A.I. hype train, near $200 billion in one day (18 May) alone. JFC.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jun 17 2023 10:47. Posts 34246

The new trolley problem just dropped boys...

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RiKD    United States. Jun 23 2023 04:51. Posts 8445

How many people are we talking about here?

Are they Nazis?


lostaccount   Canada. Jul 04 2023 20:34. Posts 5739

-_-

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lostaccount   Canada. Feb 25 2024 04:52. Posts 5739

Lol time magazine is f naming taylor swift over Sam

-_-;; 

lostaccount   Canada. Feb 25 2024 04:52. Posts 5739

I just saw it today

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