On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote:
Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game
The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.
Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance.
He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight.
Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive.
I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.
Cerrone had a bit of a mental meltdown in the lead up to that Nate fight. Came out hot-headed and uncharacteristically just tried to bull rush Nate. He did have a bit of success on some kicks later in the fight but just didn't follow up. A bit physically beat up and maybe mentally beaten already by then
Cyborg Santos isn't exactly a Pettis kicking machine but even he had some success with low leg kicks against Nick before he got dunked back in strikeforce. So I mean I don't think you have to be absolutely elite with kicks to be effective vs either Diaz
I do agree that it's not as easy as some people make it sound (you're right in that even Condit had to use a little bit of clinching/grappling when Nick got close before he shot out to the side). But it's clearly the strategy to take against both Diaz's even if it's not the absolute best part of your skills
Definitely also do agree that Conor's kicking game has been a bit more flash than real effectiveness. But he has the talent and athletisicm to make low kicking very effective vs Nate. Just a question of how long he can physically sustain it or if his ego will allow him to do it the entire fight if he can a la Condit
Cyborg was a pretty nasty kicker honestly and thats mostly what he was known for. And Nick pressured him and caught him anyways. But I agree with the rest. It's his best chance to win.
One thing I think will probably be a factor that no ones talks about is the grappling of Nate. He was able to stuff Conor on the cage multiple times and took him down really easily on his only attempt with that single leg. This time Nate will be decently bigger and stronger considering he's actually training and training to fight at WW, while Conor has noticeably lost some mass likely for cardio, meaning the clinch and takedowns will likely be an even much bigger advantage than the first time. Nate isn't Nick, he'll use takedowns if it benefits him.
So Conor is gonna need to add a lot of lateral movement to his game as he mostly most in straight lines or else I think he gets put on the cage and taken down.
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 05 2016 08:23. Posts 13047
I feel his stance is too wide for muay thai leg kicks. It'd make it extremely telegraphed and slow. I think we'll see karate style leg kicks which are way less damaging.
That is a pretty solid point, I didnt think about that, I guess they come into play if Conor circles to the right which in theory should be the angle he should be looking for his left arm too but this only adding more IFs... the switch inside leg kick probably wouldnt be a good idea since Nate is used to look for those from fighters in traditional stance and they are much easier to catch
I used to think Conor could cruise to a decision but the more I think about it he might not be able to, the fact that Nate is a southpaw is absolutely terrible for Conor, his best tools neutralized against lefties.
would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling.
dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible?
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Aug 05 2016 11:21. Posts 211
C'mon guys its CoNor with ONE N! Heh, anyways, I really hope Conor pulls out the W. I have nothing against Diaz, but I prefer to watch pure strikers, especially with a karate background and unorthodox striking at times. I guess you could say I am a fan of Wonderboy, and I liked Machida when he was doing really well.
would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling.
dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible?
No, if anything this loss derailed his hypre-train, he was on his way to be consiered the GOAT and now he is just another good fighter but nothing more
Yeah cause I rewatched the match and 1 of the 2 commentators said cardio should not be an issue for either man and i was like Wait what? How are they even comparing Diaz's cardio considering he s on a short time notice.
Its certainly annoying how they endorse McGregor passively, like the Aldo fight, Aldo saying he wants an instant rematch cause that fight was shit. Yes he lost pretty dumb and one could argue if it was a fluke, although I would not agree with that but telling him " Well it was certainly a fight " in an arrogant tone is mega retarded. I get it McGregor is the guy that brings most $ atm, but they shouldnt defend him for the smallest thing.He s not a lil kid, he can handle any comments... its disgraceful how they treat other fighters that have been with the organization for years.
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iakim322 United States. Aug 06 2016 19:22. Posts 1335
When you mutually agree to fight on a given night, get given the go-ahead by the agreed upon referee then go out and get blasted...yeah, that certainly was a fight. No matter how short it was. I would argue that Aldo instantly (then continuously) trying to discredit the merits of that win was arrogant instead
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Stim_Abuser United States. Aug 06 2016 21:50. Posts 7499
would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling.
dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible?
No, if anything this loss derailed his hypre-train, he was on his way to be consiered the GOATand now he is just another good fighter but nothing more
Easy now, Conor has 13 seconds in the cage with a prepared top 5 fighter. It was a 13 second KO of one of the p4p best and GOATs no doubt, but I consider it mostly a flukey win due to Aldo being a retard.
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On August 06 2016 18:22 iakim322 wrote:
When you mutually agree to fight on a given night, get given the go-ahead by the agreed upon referee then go out and get blasted...yeah, that certainly was a fight. No matter how short it was. I would argue that Aldo instantly (then continuously) trying to discredit the merits of that win was arrogant instead
No, I agree, I just gave it as an example of many where the media around the UFC take the slightest of opportunities to artificially boost McGregor's rating which in a thinking human being would only lower it. At that point, he was the biggest douche in the UFC, but nevertheless anything he said, he did, no matter how arrogant it was. Why do you have to defend the guy at all, he had no flaw. Anyways went into a deep off topic, after rewatching the Diaz fight I can't wait for the rematch, should be really good.
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traxamillion United States. Aug 06 2016 23:30. Posts 10468
would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling.
dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible?
not a chance
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 07 2016 00:04. Posts 13047
• Sean Strickland out at UFC 202; promotion seeks new opponent for Tim Means.
• Sultan Aliev was expected to face Hyun Gyu Lim at the event. However, Aliev pulled out of the fight in early August citing a wrist injury. Lim will now face promotional newcomer Mike Perry.
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 08 2016 00:33. Posts 13047
