Re-dedication

glgl

if you can't beat live cash game there's literally no hope for you, at all

lol fayth i do very well with online cash + online mtt + live mtt

i don't care to play live cash, im sure thats most of the problem, i haven't sat live cash more than once a year in the last 5-6 years.

i was playing live cash on like a 3k br man, every decision was really stressful to me, i don't think i failed livecash for life lol, i just know i had a fail attempt at live cash.

my graphs are great and im very happy and content with online poker + live mtt's.

live cash is not for everyone and im one of those guys.

i cant dumb myself down to lvl 1-3 thinking, my brain just thinks too much, thats what the main concensis is in vegas about my live cash. if i can adjust my brain to play just a lvl ahead of my opponents illbe fine, but i keep doing stuff that just doesnt fly in 1/2 and well losing like $800 AKss flips sucks too haha

but hey, i prefer to be home online anyways, and im just here for the weather good positive people and live mtts where i see myself hitting big sooner or later

everyone has there own opinion, i crushed live cash til like 2009, i just havent played live cash since I turned into a MTTer, and when I go play it, i do dominate when its 5-7 handed, but seems just not the best 8-10 handed player which is mostly live cash.

its not like hard, and for you to say that is hilarious, because im just not comfortable at live cash right now.

i do just fine online + with live mtts everywhere its just a big bonus imo.

i know this seems defensive, but why the hell would i care to play live cash. its so fcking slow i need way more action than that 1 table, i get bored really, really fast @ live cash.

i do fully believe after a year in this city no live cg will be a bother, but i think having 10-25k is pretty important to playing live cash correctly, i get way to stressed because its more life decisions for me until my br is large enough to handle the swings that are just bigger and last longer than im used to for the last 5-6 years. gl!

im a natorious 24 tabler, adjusting to 1 is mind numbingly boring for me.

if if an mtt i focus well if first is decent, but idk, live cg i could care less.

Bit of a contradiction when you say you can't bring yourself down to level 1-3 thinking and complain about losing a flip in the same sentence...

Dude, stick to fucking live cash, you just have some adjusting to do to get used to it. It doesnt matter how boring it is when you're making 15BB/100 or more. $3000 is plenty for a live roll if you're starting at 1/3 or even 2/5 for that matter. It's not like online where you're going to bust 4 buyins in a session, since an online session might equal 1000 hands whereas a live session will be like 100-200. If you're losing a buyin every session then your winrate would have to be like -60BB/100 which is so insanely off the chart you must be doing something wrong. As far as the boredom factor goes, make it fun. Talk to people, joke with them. Bring a phone and surf the web. Order food and drinks at the table, look at hot chicks. There's plenty to do live.

If you're going to include online as part of your regimen then MTT's is where it should be right? I dont play tourneys but dont you need to get in like 100's of those to make any wins at all? How are you going to grind live tourney's when you can only play like 1 per day? Talk about boring, you're still gonna be stuck for hours at the table. I played 2 small tourneys at Aria and it was boring as fuck, especially when you reach a pivotal stage like short stack where you cant do much. At least at cash tables you can just top off and resume your normal play style.

I fired up Bovada the other day and just ran my HUD to datamine a little bit and see how the action was. Bovada is tighter than it has ever been. From NL50-NL400 the avg player was running a pretty legit 20/18 game. There was 1 fish at every 6 max table running like 40/0 but that's all that's left of the profit. I'm sure a good online grinder can make that work, but fuck you can play live and there's like 7 people running either 0 PFR or like 90 vpip. What's the point in even living in Vegas if you arent going to play live?

On June 19 2015 00:05 Ryan Neilly wrote: im a natorious 24 tabler, adjusting to 1 is mind numbingly boring for me. if if an mtt i focus well if first is decent, but idk, live cg i could care less.

tough shit

if you want to beat cash games you generally have to be a nit.

noone cares how many tables you play online. it's not the same thing.

guys don't you understand, neilly is too smart for live cash, he can't dumb himself down to that level.

bigredhoss no, i just have trouble adjusting to SUCH a nitty game.

nolan i dont even care to touch live cashgames ever again, the last 10 years of my life has been exclusively online mtts and online 6max. i'm not fucking with that formula. I did and it fucked me up bigtime, going back to what works for me.

trax, you have good points, but i fucking hate live poker (unless its a tourney with a nice first place), obv you are extremely partial to it, my friend John loves it too. Its not for everyone. I don't enjoy it at all.

i would expect you guys to understand going from mass tabling to 1 tabling for the first time in 6 years isn't the easiest experience in the world.

anyways im going to bed goodluck gnite lp

trax, there are a lot of regs at 50+, the major trick is to just stay on 40%+ tables and leave when the fish busts and keep 4 tables going theres always atleast 1-2 fish per table, very very rarely i run into a regfilled table. when that happens i just leave in 5 hands.

about 75% reg 25% fish ratio at nl50

you can def find tables of 3-5 fish at different times though, it happens quite often actually.

4TM, i complain about that flip cuz that one really sticks out, but in general I'm playing way too much like online and not correctly enough live it seems.

I don't even care about live at all anymore other than MTTs which I ENJOY and love live.

online cashgames are just relaxing and a way to print the monies, i don't enjoy live cash, would you do something if u didn't enjoy it? would you pursue going after it with your life if u don't like it?

i know i won't.

i know my niches. my niches are 6max cashgames online and mtts. why would i have to explain myself lol...

On June 19 2015 05:08 Ryan Neilly wrote: 4TM, i complain about that flip cuz that one really sticks out, but in general I'm playing way too much like online and not correctly enough live it seems. I don't even care about live at all anymore other than MTTs which I ENJOY and love live. online cashgames are just relaxing and a way to print the monies, i don't enjoy live cash, would you do something if u didn't enjoy it? would you pursue going after it with your life if u don't like it? i know i won't. i know my niches. my niches are 6max cashgames online and mtts. why would i have to explain myself lol...

Sounds like you should throw some money on wsop.com and gogo. I haven't played a single hand of live cash so far during the series because of how good the 6m NL games are. Plus you get rakeback.

edit: If that's not enough there is also a 1k reload bonus.

4TM thats really awesome to know, I will consider moving my funds over to WSOP.com, I do really love there software.

sounds pretty sweet getting rakeback etc 4tm, do you need a special link or is it just in there?

Rakeback is automatic and goes up based on your tier. Can add it to BR at any time. For reload bonus you need promo code which is on website somewhere.

title should read re-re-re-re-re-dedication

lol

On June 14 2015 22:39 Hoolz_1907 wrote: I imagine this is what it's like in your head

A thing I've noticed about you neilly is that you make this big divide between games as though they are fundamentally different (in some ways they are but NLHE is NLHE and poker is poker) when talking about live NLHE caah for online cash vs mTt vs live plo. When you fail or have some trouble with one version you switch or re-dedicate to another. I don't think that is the solution. The things you are saying about live vs online is mostly bs and excuses. Live is simply softer with more fish period. It is virtually never harder. So for you to be having such problems sounds like it is literally just ADD and tilt. Getting a little stuck then unable to fold top pair etc.

I haven't posted in this thread but you address me which is cool but I think you make some assumptions about me. I actually only switched to a lot of live a few (6?) months ago because I was absolutely shocked how soft even 2/5 was in comparison to virtually any online game. It's chill and easy money so I play it. But I always did and still do play a lot of online poker to stay sharp, multitable, and play my co-main game PLO which I can rarely play live. I'm not partial to live by any means. It is just easy. 3k should also make 1-2 and even 1-3 (which plays twice as big) fairly comfortable. Higher winrates and live leads to lower standard deviation, smaller swings. It's not like mutitabling hu online vs a closely matched opponent where you might swing 10-20 bi reasonably. It's not even like back in the day with the 20bi rule you can use less if necessary and I take shots and cash out down to 10-15bi without much concern of risk of ruin. Although I recognize it is there. I don't post hand histories anymore because I play on bovada and don't use any tracking software. I've started using piosolver though so I should probably at least start tracking and analyzing myself.

U didn't lose ur whole 3k roll live right just some and then put 300 online and kept some to live? Do you have some side income from work/family or support yourself and keep a roof over your head solely from poker ?

On June 20 2015 05:58 traxamillion wrote: I haven't posted in this thread but you address me which is cool but I think you make some assumptions about me.

For whatever reason I think he thought what Newbsaibot wrote was written by you.

On June 20 2015 08:52 hiems wrote: Show nested quote + On June 20 2015 05:58 traxamillion wrote: I haven't posted in this thread but you address me which is cool but I think you make some assumptions about me. For whatever reason I think he thought what Newbsaibot wrote was written by you.

yeah he didnt address me once but seemed to use several things I said in response to trax

Well I suppose his post did sound like something I would say; I pretty much agree with it completely.

Good to hear 4TM. Is it much better than bovada? Kind of forgot about that site Lately but im going to be in Vegas next month and would like to check it out

Avg game isn't quite as good as Bovada and there are a lot less. A lot more huge spots though + rake back

edit: also substantially less hit and running is a nice change

cant beat live, move to online where they respect your raises

trax and newbsaibot i tend to read all these, you both give sound advice so if I address one I'm really just talking to both of ya

I like the comments here thanks good advice guys.