New PC - what to get?!

So I've been out of the PC gaming world for a while, bit too much work and just had a laptop for the last few years. I used to be quite up to date with what makes a good PC but at this point I really don't have a clue anymore.

Ideally I want to be able to have a dual monitor for online poker but also for it to be decent enough to play recent games.

What would you guys recommend? Everything together can probably spend 1.5-2k euro

HALP

probably ot for you but i recently got Philips BDM4065UC and its the best thing ever. you can always use 1080p for gaming, it looks great

Thanks looks like a sick monitor. Do you have another one on the side?

^ Hey, i don't know shit about this, but a month ago a mate of mine was super excited, said he been waiting for technology to get to this stage when it comes to monitor's, there's some new shit out that's supposed to be the latest rage, id do some research into that!!

Hmm, i tried to think what it was, I think it's these monitors: https://www.komplett.no/acer-27-led-predator-g-sync-xb270hu/836743

I miss buying gaming rigs. Since I quit poker, it's really hard to justify buying one now. That 40 inch philipps one must be insanely good

After gaming on a 144 hz / G-sync monitor, I would not recommended anything else. Fuck 4K until it has those. The extreme smoothness from these is what I value the most. I would not feel good about purchasing expensive GPUs to run such a high res when 60hz feels so awful to me now, and it would also feel wrong to buy something without G-sync at this point.

40' 4k monitor >> two 1080p monitors or 1440p. If you intend to spend a lot of time on the computer (poker or game) having a good monitor is prob one of the best investment one can make
I wouldn't get a video card until AMD releases their 3xx series & nvidia releases the 980 ti (should be soon I think), that'll lower the price of all cards on the market

Ehh probably need to watch some videos or read up on some of these terms. 60hz was by far the best thing back when I had a decent gaming PC but clearly we're way past that. What the hell is G-sync?

G-sync is a technology which essentially brings the good of V-sync (no screen tearing) without the bad of V-sync (extra input lag/screen judder). V-sync has always involved a sacrifice: it's awesome to game without tearing, but the extra input lag is not insignificant, so many people prefer to game with V-sync off. If you've ever played Counter-Strike you already know the importance of this. CS is one of the games where it's very important to sacrifice graphics in order to get lower input lag and better mouse responsiveness.

Here's a G-sync demo:
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60hz is a thing of the past. The only reason people still buy 60hz monitors for gaming is either because of a modest budget or because 4k 144 hz monitors are not yet available. But even if they would be, it would simply not be affordable because on top of the price of such a monitor, it would require a huge amount of gpu power to get 100+ fps in recent games at 4K res. The middle-ground and best thing to purchase imo is something your PC can drive well enough to play at 100 fps+ on a 144hz monitor, which currently goes up to 1440p.

Cool thanks Loco makes sense now. So it seems a 4k monitor at this point can run games to up to 60fps from what I'm reading. This article is from Nov 2014 explaining a rig build for under $3k with that setup. http://4k.com/4k-monster-gaming-computer-for-less-than-3000-heres-how/

Is this already out of date you think?

If you care at all about getting the most value out of your money, I would not even consider 4K gaming. But if money is not an issue at all, then it's just a matter of what you prioritize in gaming. If you have the money to get a rig that supports it and all you really care about is the best eye candy, go with the 4K setup (ideally with g-sync). If you care about low input lag and a silky smooth gaming experience, invest in 144hz/g-sync.

I personally don't think regular 4K gaming is worth all that money for a suboptimal overall gaming experience. The immersion of having a bigger monitor with a bigger resolution is just one of the factors of a good gaming experience. I think it's too much of a sacrifice because a normal 60hz 4k display with V-sync feels really bad to play on because of the crappy input lag and the mouse feels incredibly choppy in comparison with the smoothness of 144hz. A 60hz G-sync 4K monitor is a notch better, yet still pricy and still involves a sacrifice. A 144 hz g-sync monitor is the best of both worlds currently, and since they are even available as IPS panels now, they really don't involve any sacrifice other than a ridiculously high res, but at 1440p that's already a very nice gaming res to me.

Personally when I shopped for a monitor a few months ago my work was pretty much cut out for me because my main game is CS:GO so I knew I had to go with 144hz because playing at a high level without it is unthinkable. What I didn't really know is that it would make everything else much better as well (well, except Skyrim, which is stupidly locked at 60hz). I can't recommend it highly enough.

I bought a 4k monitor earlier this year expecting to have more table space when playing poker but that isn't really the case. Since poker tables these days scale to your monitor size, the most important metric is the physical size of your monitor, not the resolution.

Also many programs are still not exactly 4k compatible, like the font size doesnt scale properly and some of the text is not visible sometimes. Other times the designer of the program just didnt take 4k into consideration when designing and it just looks awkward.

I personally didn't notice any difference between 2180p (4k) and 1440p when looking at the few videos out there with a resolution that big. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick the 2180p resolution over the 1440p I'd probably have a 30% chance of dying

If i buy another monitor in the next year I won't be prioritizing 4k over other factors like size/cost etc

Dont be a sucker and buy 4k, it will take a couple of years before it becomes reasonably priced and where stuff actually runs properly on it.

I just bought a GTX 970 im also thinking of upgrading my monitors I currently have two 24"not sure if I should go for dual 27 or one 30.

I just built a budget rig a few months ago with the intention of gaming anything at ultra settings and 60fps at 1080p. Cost $1150. Dunno how well it would run dual monitors or 4k for gaming but it's within your budget once you throw in a couple of nice monitors, especially if you get a g-sync equipped monitor.

I have a 4k monitor and I wouldnt go back to 1080 or 1440 for anything in life lol
paid around 600$ ( same price as the dell 1440p )

bad thing is that I had to buy a supercomputer in order to run everything at this resolution
but worth the investment

On June 16 2015 05:42 NewbSaibot wrote: I just built a budget rig a few months ago with the intention of gaming anything at ultra settings and 60fps at 1080p. Cost $1150. Dunno how well it would run dual monitors or 4k for gaming but it's within your budget once you throw in a couple of nice monitors, especially if you get a g-sync equipped monitor.

How's it working out for you so far? Recommend it? I'm not picky at all (I currently play a game at ultra low settings cuz I'm pretty certain my graphics card was fried upon purchase.. second hand.. just so it doesn't freeze). So ~1300 for a decent gaming/poker rig is kickass imo.

This newegg? What's warranty/wtfever like when you build your own stuff? Basic 1yr if it busts? Total aside - what's your thoughts on buying laptops/comp. stuff from reputable sellers off ebay? I saw some laptops that were going for ~450 on ebay that fit all the poker essentials (ssd, blah blah) that would cost roughly 1100 new from manufacturers. Thoughts?

Kinda all-over-the-place questions I know, but I'm 100% computer hardware stupid.

On June 16 2015 05:58 drone666 wrote: I have a 4k monitor and I wouldnt go back to 1080 or 1440 for anything in life lol paid around 600$ ( same price as the dell 1440p ) bad thing is that I had to buy a supercomputer in order to run everything at this resolution but worth the investment

not the only bad thing. the good thing is that you're not aware of it so you don't think you're missing out. if you saw how bad your testufo results are, and how much input lag you have, you wouldn't feel as good about your setup. If you want at least some idea of how bad 60 hz is compared to 144 hz, look at the ufo below the one that represents your refresh rate in the testufo, and compare the motion blur of the 60hz ufo with it (e.g 30 fps vs 60 fps). Both look extremely blurry and jittery to me whereas it has literally 0 jitter/blurriness on 144hz (1ms) monitors. The end point is that the higher the refresh rate, the faster you see the rendered images, and you see them clearer (even more so with lightboost/ulmb enabled). This is crucial in a game like CSGO, but is also extremely nice to have in any kind of fast paced game.

i would not recommend spending 2k dollars or euros on a computer. i remember spending 2k on my first computers and boy did i regret it every time. withing 1 year friends were buying computers that are 500-600 dollars and better than mine.

On June 16 2015 05:42 NewbSaibot wrote: I just built a budget rig a few months ago with the intention of gaming anything at ultra settings and 60fps at 1080p. Cost $1150. Dunno how well it would run dual monitors or 4k for gaming but it's within your budget once you throw in a couple of nice monitors, especially if you get a g-sync equipped monitor.

8GB ram? what?

On June 15 2015 12:06 Mariuslol wrote: ^ Hey, i don't know shit about this, but a month ago a mate of mine was super excited, said he been waiting for technology to get to this stage when it comes to monitor's, there's some new shit out that's supposed to be the latest rage, id do some research into that!!

yea i believe it's freesync technology in monitors , thats why i am still waiting and not buying new panel , would def go with 32 4k panel or that philips 40 is even cheaper but daaam 1m board ? wthell

benq 32 4k , samsung 32 4k , acer 32 4k older ones do not suppert freesync but these 2 new samsung monitors do samsung u32e850r , samsung u28e850r altho i wouldnt buy 28 mon with 4k , has to be bigger

btw why i dont see you streaming anymore?

+ i 7 is overkill imo , get i5 and overclock it using some 35 usd cpu cooler it will have almost the same power as i7 for less moneyz
+ samsung 850 evo 250gb one of the best SSDs you can get
+ 16gb ram will do better

On June 19 2015 17:08 r0mx0 wrote: + i 7 is overkill imo , get i5 and overclock it using some 35 usd cpu cooler it will have almost the same power as i7 for less moneyz

lol, NO.

On June 19 2015 18:55 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2015 17:08 r0mx0 wrote: + i 7 is overkill imo , get i5 and overclock it using some 35 usd cpu cooler it will have almost the same power as i7 for less moneyz lol, NO.

he's right if it's a gaming machine. there is absolutely no performance gain from using an i7 over its i5 equivalent.

+1 what he said about the samsung evos as well. they are really great and rapid mode is awesome.

You should build you own. Its way way cheaper, and its really quite satisfying building it yourself. Its really easy these days.

Teamliquids thread is a great resource, has a wealth of information in the OP and I suggest you check it out and post for help there. Lots of good people there. - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-...ld-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread

On June 19 2015 20:16 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2015 18:55 dogmeat wrote:   On June 19 2015 17:08 r0mx0 wrote: + i 7 is overkill imo , get i5 and overclock it using some 35 usd cpu cooler it will have almost the same power as i7 for less moneyz lol, NO. he's right if it's a gaming machine. there is absolutely no performance gain from using an i7 over its i5 equivalent. +1 what he said about the samsung evos as well. they are really great and rapid mode is awesome.

but this is poker forum, theres tremendous gain for gto solvers

On June 19 2015 20:16 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2015 18:55 dogmeat wrote:   On June 19 2015 17:08 r0mx0 wrote: + i 7 is overkill imo , get i5 and overclock it using some 35 usd cpu cooler it will have almost the same power as i7 for less moneyz lol, NO. he's right if it's a gaming machine. there is absolutely no performance gain from using an i7 over its i5 equivalent. +1 what he said about the samsung evos as well. they are really great and rapid mode is awesome.

unless he plays some kind of games like CitySkylines then the processor does help

16gb of ram seems like a spew if the computer is for gaming.

ffs 8GB extra costs $50, why is this even a discussion

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CxJ9ZL

what do u guys think about this build ??
my friend wants to upgrade to a new pc and wants to spend some money, he doesnt play games but he wants to run every poker software smoothly (GTORB, PioSolver, CRev, etc )
I helped him because hes clueless but im not confident in my nerd skills

I would replace he 270 with the 370 (just came out this week same pricepoint)

here

Intel Xeon E5-2630v3
ASUS X99-PRO - Intel X99

pls help -_-, what memory modules should i get? is 32GB too much these days? mb only supports ddr4 afaik


how reasonable is this card GIGABYTE GV-N960G1 GAMING-4GD, 4GB , since i dont really care about gaming?

Kingston HyperX Predator 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 2133 CL13-13-13 looks ok?

Just saw the earlier responses, I love my PC build. I play mostly TeamFortress2 these days which makes my system total overkill (my last PC ran this game fine at 1080p/60fps) , but when I do hit Battlefield4 it runs beautifully. I bought FarCry4 but havent even ran it yet.

As far as ram goes, you will see absolutely zero performance gain from 8GB to 32GB. Literally none whatsoever unless you were doing some very very particular purpose with it, like SQL database stuff or something. And no your HM2 database doesnt count.

Same thing with that xeon CPU. That is a server CPU dude, you will also see absolutely zero gain using that over an i7 for gaming, poker, photoshop, movies, day to day tasks, etc.

Finally the video card you spec'd is fine and all, but there is a noticeable performance gap between the GTX 960 and 970. You say you dont game so I'm not sure why you are even looking at GTX cards in the first place. What do you do? If you just grind and watch netflix then you can get away with integrated graphics straight off the motherboard.

As far as the i5 vs i7 debate, the thing is in order to get an i5 to behave like an i7 you have to invest in components to stabilize the overclock. CPU cooler, premium ram, premium motherboard, etc etc etc. Quite often you end up spending close to as much as you would have on an i7 in the first place. At least with the i7 you get peace of mind knowing you dont need to fuck with it to get it to do what you want, and it has the added lifespan to overclock too.

its the cheapest 8core available, are you saying theres no performance gain for gto solvers in comparison with 4core for half price? seems absurd. i could get
Intel Core i7-5930K which is a little bit cheaper but according to cpuboss.com its close

960 is the cheapest card with dp2.0 which supports ultrahd and 4 monitors

you are also wrong, i ve had 10GB tree a couple of times, which is not gonna happen with 8GB ram obv. and i dont care if i get 16 or 32GB, so why not?

nvm i m getting Intel Core i7-5960X

i have the i7-3790k devil canyon too and think its overkill. My cpu usage is always at 1% lol

I dont know anything about GTO solvers or their requirements. As for running 4k resolution then yea stick to the GTX line of GPU's, but if you're trying to game at 4k then the 960 or even 970 wont cut it. You will need to absolute best Titan GPU available for that, good thing is if you save $300 on that xeon cpu then you can put that towards a better GPU.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9702/samsung-950-pro-ssd-review-256gb-512gb

definitely hit up the new SSDs

Grab a 950 pro or the intel 750 with the latest mobo's to support U.2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9090/in...0-pcie-ssd-review-nvme-for-the-client

On October 22 2015 04:41 NewbSaibot wrote: I dont know anything about GTO solvers or their requirements. As for running 4k resolution then yea stick to the GTX line of GPU's, but if you're trying to game at 4k then the 960 or even 970 wont cut it. You will need to absolute best Titan GPU available for that, good thing is if you save $300 on that xeon cpu then you can put that towards a better GPU.

that i7 is more expensive than xeon, anyway money is not the issue, but its needless to get a better gpu

On October 22 2015 20:06 Highcard wrote: definitely hit up the new SSDs Grab a 950 pro or the intel 750 with the latest mobo's to support U.2

thx, seems like samsung isnt available atm, going with intel

all-in water coolers vs classic Noctua NH-D14, any benefits?

I wonder what is the best cooling setup too, negative pressure air system or always water?

I havent checked but theres no way air could cool better than water

On October 23 2015 16:36 Highcard wrote: I wonder what is the best cooling setup too, negative pressure air system or always water?

3 things : do you have a girlfriend ? If so, do you plan to put your computer on the same room as your sleeping gf ? and finally : you don't mind paying extra.

Which is more noisy?

You can get really quiet fan based systems too but they'll make more noise during gaming etc than watercooling I believe. That said. my setup barely makes any extra noise during gaming.. prob the quietest fan based setup I've ever had, stock intel cpu cooler + nvidia 750 ti running on SSD too. Nothing too impressive but quiet and works fine for me.