UFC FN 57: Edgar vs. Swanson

Date: Saturday, November 22nd
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 2): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (Fox Sports 1)

Frankie Edgar (17-4-1) vs. Cub Swanson (21-5) (Featherweight)
Bobby Green (23-5) vs. Edson Barboza (14-2) (Lightweight)
Brad Pickett (24-9) vs. Chico Camus (14-5) (Flyweight)
Jared Rosholt (11-1) vs. Oleksiy Oliynyk (49-9-1) (Heavyweight)
Joseph Benavidez (20-4) vs. Dustin Ortiz (14-3) (Flyweight)
Matt Wiman (15-7) vs. Isaac Vallie-Flagg (14-5-1) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Ruslan Magomedov (12-1) vs. Josh Copeland (9-0) (Heavyweight)
Luke Barnatt (8-1) vs. Roger Narvaez (6-1) (Middleweight)
James Vick (6-0) vs. Nick Hein (11-1) (Lightweight)
Yves Edwards (42-21-1) vs. Akbarh Arreola (22-8-1) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Paige VanZant (3-1) vs. Kailin Curran (3-0) (Women's Strawweight)
Juan Manuel Puig (11-3) vs. Doo Ho Choi (11-1) (Featherweight)

First impression of the match-ups:

• Edgar > Swanson (I want Swanson to win, but if I have to place money on the fight, I'd pick Edgar by decision and Swanson ITD. Edgar throws double Swanson's volume, but Swanson is the only one with power here, as well as a submission game. Swanson has ways to win, but if he doesn't land multiple hard shots in the first two rounds to slow Edgar down, he'll end up losing on the cards. It might even be worth betting a couple bucks on Edgar to win in round 4 and 5.)
• Barboza > Green (Green has the better jabs and pressure with basic punches, but the power, speed, and leg kicks go to Barboza. Green likes to fight on the outside, which is where Barboza loves to fight, cuz it allows him to use leg kicks, which are the 2nd best in the UFC right behind Jose Aldo. The issue here is with Barboza's chin; it's weak. Green isn't a power puncher by any means, but a jab from Cerrone was able to drop Barboza and then cost him the fight due to a RnC.)
• Pickett > Camus (Do or die for Pickett. Pickett has the better striking, power, wrestling, speed, and chin. Camus has better submissions, but not by a lot. This is Camus' first fight at Flyweight, which means he'll have to deal with adjusting to everything. Additionally, Camus' movement wasn't super fast at Bantamweight, which sucks for him cuz he had no choice but to move down to Flyweight due to his size.)
• Rosholt vs. Oliynyk (Gun to the head, I'd say Rosholt, but he's not a great fighter. Rosholt has his wrestling while Oli has his submissions. Both aren't great on the feet.)
• Benavidez > Ortiz
• Wiman > Flagg
• Magomedov > Copeland
• Barnatt > Narvaez
• Vick > Hein
• Edwards > Arreola (I wouldn't bet it, except to go over the total. Edwards is the better fighter, but his cardio has diminished over the years and his chin keeps getting tested lately. Arreola isn't good, but he is like a Mexican zombie that keeps coming forward and can withstand the power of Edwards. Edwards can only win by decision and submission, and he won't want to fight on the ground cuz that's where Arreola is best at (stat wise), so a decision makes the most sense for Edwards.)
• VanZant vs. Curran (dunno)
• Puig vs. Choi (dunno)

My possible Bets:

- Cub Swanson (+180)
- Oleksiy (+170)
- Benavidez + Picket (-140)

I was thinking betting on Barboza (-120) but I better not touch that fight.

looks like a good card! looking forward to it

Two of my favorite fighters. Shame they gotta fight. Cub's got a brutal road to a title shot.

Think Frankie wins here. Assuming he uses his wrestling as much as he should.

Gotta go with my boy Bobby Green. Yet again a weird match up. Bobbys coming off defeating #5 Josh Thomson... and he fights Barboza? And Cerrone is fighting Miles Jury? Wut?

Actually a pretty tough match up for Bobby,but I think he can pull out the win. Especially if he mixes in some wrestling to keep Barboza off balance.

I'm guessing Swanson gets the title shot if he wins, but does Edgar get it if he does, didn't Edgar lose vs Aldo 2-3 title matches ago

Overall pretty decent card. Love that its all in the lower weight divisions, except that 1 heavyweight fight

edit: nvm i just saw the promo, its stupid to give Edgar another basically instant chance considering he lost like 5-0 or 4-1


Actually why are they not giving the title shot to McGregor, he s the only one that stands a chance against Aldo at this point :/

On November 18 2014 16:46 Spitfiree wrote: I'm guessing Swanson gets the title shot if he wins, but does Edgar get it if he does, didn't Edgar lose vs Aldo 2-3 title matches ago.

Swanson said he was told he gets the next title shot if he wins. McGregor said yesterday in the UFC press conference that he wants Swanson to beat Edgar, just so he can bake a pie for Swanson and slap him in the face with it, then laugh at him when he sees McGregor getting the next title shot instead.

As for Frankie, there's no way he'll get the next title shot if he beats Swanson.

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Bobby Green makes a post on Facebook about retirement:
+ Show Spoiler +

WTF he is near of a tittle shot and unbeaten in UFC and he is thinking about retirement. That is weird

I place my bets

Only Cub Swanson and Benavidez.

There's 3 guys ahead of Bobby Green in the title hunt: Nurmagomedov, RDA, and Cerrone. Cerrone is fighting the unbeaten prospect in Myles Jury in his next match, and Jury would get the title shot before Green, imo. Also, Melendez still needs to fight his scheduled match for the title, so even if Green keeps winning, he wouldn't fight for the title until late 2016 at the earliest, especially since the champion keeps getting injured.

I'm not sure why Green made that post though.

To get his coef. higher and win more when he wins :D

On November 19 2014 14:15 PuertoRican wrote: There's 3 guys ahead of Bobby Green in the title hunt: Nurmagomedov, RDA, and Cerrone. Cerrone is fighting the unbeaten prospect in Myles Jury in his next match, and Jury would get the title shot before Green, imo. Also, Melendez still needs to fight his scheduled match for the title, so even if Green keeps winning, he wouldn't fight for the title until late 2016 at the earliest, especially since the champion keeps getting injured. I'm not sure why Green made that post though.

Kind of crazy considering Green is 4-0 in the UFC, and just beat top 5 Josh Thomson. I'd take Josh over Cerrone all day every day and him and RDA are close. People are forgetting how good Josh is. He absolutely should of won that Ben Henderson fight, absolutely mauled Nate Diaz, and had a super close fight with Gil that a lot of people felt he won too.

Cerrone vs Jury and Green vs Barboza is mindbogglingly stupid.

Should be Cerrone vs Green. No idea what the UFC is doing. Cerrone and Green even have a ton of beef they could use. Instead both are fighting guys outside the top 10.

And while Jury is technically undefeated, al iaquinta beat him on TUF.

I can't believe Rosholt, isn't a massive favorite over Olesksy. Rosholt is not well rounded, but no-one aside from the top-tier HW's are going to be able to stop his wrestling at all, and I doubt he gets subbed from on top. Olesksy's wierd power submissions aren't gonna work at all here. Amazing value on Rosholt, gonna destory Oleksy unless he gets caught with a big strike early - which is highly possible, but def not in the +170 range. Ofcourse this is all just opinion (I don't even know why I feel the need to say that) - but I would put the bank on Rosholt to wrestle-fuck and gas this old man out 9 times out 10.

Edgar > Swanson - Weird feeling Swanson gets a SD robbery here though, wouldn't bet on it.
Green > Barboza - Definitely wouldn't bet on it and it's almost a straight pickem just like the odds, but if Green fights with forward pressure he has the perfect style and boxing game to stifle Barboza's kicking game. If he does what Rican said and fights on the outside, it's all Edson. This is an outstanding fight that 100 percent is just a striking clinic from both guys. If it ends early, it'll probably Barboza KOing (despite his chin) Green, but if it goes deeper I like Green's style to get the decision.
Picket > Camus - Both tough guys, Picket via being better all around but no value on the line here IMO since he's not that much better at any single thing and we know how MMA is with guys being off and on.
Rosholt > Olynik - This is the one to bet on IMO, see my above rant.
Joe B > Dustin - Line is too wide, wouldn't touch, Joe B is better everywhere but the gap is smaller in scrambles which is exactly what this fight will probably be a lot of, hence the not betting on it
Wiman > Flagg - Wouldn't touch Wiman, hasn't fought in a long time, Flagg sucks but I think the game has probably passed both these guys by
Mag > Copeland
Barnett > Navarez - I actually liked what I saw out of Navarez on a short notice fight at LHW against an elite wrestler in Cummins, but I think Barnett is pretty good and is a decent prospect to eventually maybe crack the top 15 at his peak
Vick v Hein - Dunno, Vick is enormous and tough to deal with but isn't good, don't remember Hein's fights
Edwards v Arreola - Dunno
Vanzant v Curran - Dunno
Choi > Puig - Going purely off hype, wouldn't bet on it but supposedly Choi is the best pure prospect out of South Korea right now and is going to mop Puig.

On November 19 2014 16:22 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2014 14:15 PuertoRican wrote: There's 3 guys ahead of Bobby Green in the title hunt: Nurmagomedov, RDA, and Cerrone. Cerrone is fighting the unbeaten prospect in Myles Jury in his next match, and Jury would get the title shot before Green, imo. Also, Melendez still needs to fight his scheduled match for the title, so even if Green keeps winning, he wouldn't fight for the title until late 2016 at the earliest, especially since the champion keeps getting injured. I'm not sure why Green made that post though. Kind of crazy considering Green is 4-0 in the UFC, and just beat top 5 Josh Thomson. I'd take Josh over Cerrone all day every day and him and RDA are close. People are forgetting how good Josh is. He absolutely should of won that Ben Henderson fight, absolutely mauled Nate Diaz, and had a super close fight with Gil that a lot of people felt he won too.

4-0, yes. However, you have to put things into perspective.

His fight against Volkman was legit; Volkman tried to wrestle him into a submission and ended up gassing, but this is Green's best UFC win, imo.

The Krause fight doesn't even count in my mind. Green was winning the striking battle, but by no means do I think the stoppage was justified. I do think Green would beat Krause in a rematch though, cuz Green is the better striker and has better wrestling; Krause has better BJJ.

Against Healy, he did what everyone expected him to do, which was move side to side and easily beat up Healy with his superior boxing, foot speed, and hand speed.

Versus Thompson, the fight was a joke. Yeah, Thompson was a high ranked opponent, but everyone saw them basically spar and talk to each other during the fight, which Dana White was pissed about during the post fight press conference. I made some nice money off of Green via live betting.

As for Thompson vs. Henderson, I don't think Thompson won, mainly because his hand prevented him from doing damage and locking in submissions. If Thompson's hand wasn't broken, he would've won that fight for sure. However, his problem has always been him playing to the crowd and not being as aggressive as he should be, as we saw in the Melendez fights.

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The closer we get to fight night the more I feel like Swanson is a great bet here as a 2:1 dog.

Than again, I guess the public feels the same, cuz now hes at +165.

Agree with you, I think Cub can win here even by decision. I feel this match will be a very close fight, I bet on him at +180 which is Ev+ IMO. And Benavidez is also Ev+, he can only lose in this division against Demetrious and maybe Dodson.

On November 20 2014 12:46 alejandicto wrote: Agree with you, I think Cub can win here even by decision. I feel this match will be a very close fight, I bet on him at +180 wich is Ev+ IMO. And Benavidez is also Ev+, he can only lose in this division against Demetrious and maybe Dodson.

I fully expect Joe B to win but Ortiz is a fucking top-tier wrestler/scrambler and I hate betting against those types as huge dogs. As long as Joe fights smart he should win. I would be extremely impressed, but not surprised, if he gets the finish.

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MAIN CARD (FOX Sports 1, 10 p.m. ET)

Frankie Edgar () vs. Cub Swanson ()
Edson Barboza (155) vs. Bobby Green (155.4)
Chico Camus (125.6) vs. Brad Pickett (126)
Oleksiy Oliynyk (235) vs. Jared Rosholt (240)
Joseph Benavidez (125.6) vs. Dustin Ortiz (125.6)
Isaac Vallie-Flagg (156) vs. Matt Wiman (155.4)

PRELIMINARY CARD (FOX Sports 1, 8 p.m. ET)

Josh Copeland (264) vs. Ruslan Magomedov (246)
Luke Barnatt (185.4) vs. Roger Narvaez (185.4)
Nick Hein (154.2) vs. James Vick (155.8)
Akbarh Arreola (155.6) vs. Yves Edwards (154.6)

PRELIMINARY CARD (UFC Fight Pass, 7 p.m. ET)

Kailin Curran (115.6) vs. Paige VanZant (114.6)
Dooho Choi (145.8) vs. Juan Puig (145.6)

Intense staredown from Bobby & Barboza. Really hope Bobby takes this fight.

Glad to see he went to train with the Diaz bros. His main gym isn't fit for an elite fighter. Like 3 purple belts, 8ish blue belts, and the rest white belts. Other than the belt head coach.

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My finals picks:

• Edgar > Swanson (Like I said before, Swanson has multiple ways to win, but he needs to impose his will within the first 2 rounds. If Swanson doesn't get comfortable (like he always talks about), then he'll end up responding to Edgar's style and play a more straight forward game. Edgar decision/Swanson ITD.)
• Barboza > Green
• Pickett > Camus
• Rosholt > Oliynyk
• Benavidez > Ortiz
• Wiman > Flagg
• Magomedov > Copeland
• Barnatt > Narvaez
• Vick > Hein
• Edwards > Arreola
• Curran > VanZant
• Choi > Puig

Fight Pass: http://www.vipleague.se/boxing/266294...-pass-prelims-live-stream-online.html

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Metamoris 5 results

- Renzo Gracie vs Kazushi Sakuraba: TBD

- Rory MacDonald vs. J.T. Torres: TBD

- Secret Match: TBD

- Yuri Simoes vs. Keenan Cornelius: draw

- Vinny Magalhaes vs. Matheus Diniz: draw

- Garry Tonon vs. Zak Maxwell: Tonon wins by reverse heel hook

Easy win for Doo Ho Choi!

loool womens strawweight is nuts

Curran got owned... hard.

She had no answer for the Randy Couture style of attack from VanZant.

VanZant is wifey material.

Just dreaming of a life with Van Zant

Nick Hein was too one-dimensional. 30-27 for Vick was pretty funny, especially since he got dropped twice in the first round by big punches.

Barnatt looked poorly, should be a draw, but im not even mad

Barnatt looked terrible in this fight, worse than his fight against Strickland... Crazy how he went from looking like a legit prospect to a legit piece of shit.

Good thing my Kountermove teams were already fucked when Curran lost, or else I'd be annoyed.

Benavidez/Ortiz is FOTN so far.

Benavidez was better than Ortiz in every area tonight, kinda sucks for Ortiz, but oh well.

Magomedov is impressive.

LOL! Holy shit. Way to make me look stupid Rosholt. How bout try wrestling. Got laid the fuck out being a dummy.

Pay me. I had both Russians and Cub Swanson.

dat old man strength from Oliynyk.

How people thought that guy had an 80% edge against a 49-9 Russian grinder...I have no idea. Not many heavyweights have an 80% edge.

On November 22 2014 22:21 Minsk wrote: How people thought that guy had an 80% edge against a 49-9 Russian grinder...I have no idea. Not many heavyweights have an 80% edge.

Well my rant was when the odds were when Rosholt was at -220, so I don't know about an 80 percent edge, but I didn't think he would be dumb enough to stand and trade so liberally, he never has in the past. There was so little of a chance of him losing if he just wrestle-fucked the guy, but I guess he got KO happy when he hurt him, or maybe Olynik is stronger than I give him credit for (grappling-wise) and Rosholt felt it, but I doubt it.There was a very clear and easy path to victory that he just didn't follow at all. Props to Olynik for laying down the clear-cut KO of the night and making that 50k. And more props for wearing a Stalin shirt to weigh-ins.

Camus looks really, really good.

Round 1: Pickett (Strikes are even at 45 a piece. Pickett got the take down and had top control for 1 minute 44 seconds, which won him the round, imo.)

Round 2: Camus (All Camus. Pickett couldn't steal the round with the take down.)

Round 3: Pickett (Pickett only with a few more strikes landed than Camus, but the reason why I give him the round is cuz he was the aggressor the entire round.)

Pickett 2-1 split-decision, imo.

I can't hate on any scorecard but I had it for Camus. Came down to rd 1. Picket's TD and GnP were good but Camus did his best work on the feet that round too. Considering about 20 of those 45 strikes were on the ground for Picket, Camus really out-did him on the feet, and busted his face up good which probably influenced the judges too, and my own personal judging style always weighs the striking > the ground game all other things being equal.

If this next fight's oddsmakers could only see highlights, Barboza would be at about -1000. He is an offensive dynamo. The question is, will the King let him get offensive.

Round 1: Barboza (Green is trying to get into Barboza's head with the taunting, but it isn't working thus far.)

Round 2: Barboza (Barboza opened the round strong, then he didn't throw as much during the last half of the round. However, Green wasn't really landing much. The round was close in terms of strikes, but Barboza did all the damage.)

Barboza shored up his defense, he worked on his movement and protecting that suspect chin. I wouldn't want to fight him if I was a top-10 LW.

Well my rant was when the odds were when Rosholt was at -220, so I don't know about an 80 percent edge, but I didn't think he would be dumb enough to stand and trade so liberally, he never has in the past. There was so little of a chance of him losing if he just wrestle-fucked the guy, but I guess he got KO happy when he hurt him, or maybe Olynik is stronger than I give him credit for (grappling-wise) and Rosholt felt it, but I doubt it.There was a very clear and easy path to victory that he just didn't follow at all. Props to Olynik for laying down the clear-cut KO of the night and making that 50k. And more props for wearing a Stalin shirt to weigh-ins.

You can't wrestle fuck a 49-9 old Russian grappler like that. Hs literally played that game his entire life. Youth holds no edge there, but experience does.

Let's see if the usual slow starting Frankie Edgar shows up. If he does, he'll get hit hard by Cub and he'll get finished. Cub won't gas out like Maynard.

Didn't realize Frankie Edgar was this good and Cub Swanson was this bad at wrestling. Frankie Edgar is all about forward momentum/force, and Cub Swanson just doesn't know how to deal with it, but its not by pushing back.

It also looks like Swanson has no desire to win. No idea who gave him a black belt in Brazillian JuJitsu but hes complete ass at both defending takedowns and bottom position on the ground. Which he coincidentally seems to lure himself into.

THE ANSWER GG

Frankie Edgar is a P4P all-time great. That man is so relentless and well-rounded it is absurd.

On November 23 2014 00:13 Minsk wrote: It also looks like Swanson has no desire to win. No idea who gave him a black belt in Brazillian JuJitsu but hes complete ass at both defending takedowns and bottom position on the ground.

Completely disagree with this sentiment. He's a beast who just ran into an absolute freight train. I am surprised that he couldn't stop the TD's but come on man, Edgar's performance was legendary.

edgar, what a legend. unfortunately he still has nothing for aldo. edgar/conor please.

I thought Edgar has one technique that Cub Swanson just didn't know how to stop. There should'nt be a one technique you cannot stop, especially something that easy. He can't stop a "take you down, hit you in the head, apply downward pressure tehcnique". It's a huge leak.

refreshing Conor's twitter for ensuing hilarity. How much of a dog would Conor be in your opinion?

Literally all you have to do is push back at him. Cub is stronger. Then when they fall he gets top position. Instead hes trying to escape and always loses.

Or at least pose threats with knees and elbows when he tries.

Post-fight press conference: http://www.ufc.tv/video/edgar-vs-swanson-post-fight-press-conference


The YouTube stream has been sketchy lately, probably cuz UFC wants more views on their own website.

On November 23 2014 00:23 rOm wrote: refreshing Conor's twitter for ensuing hilarity. How much of a dog would Conor be in your opinion?

Conor will get the next title shot (as long as he doesn't choke versus Dennis Siver). Cub was gonna get it if he beat Frankie, but that didn't happen. Also, Frankie doesn't bring in big PPV money, so there's no rush to have him rematch Jose Aldo just yet.

Instead he just broke and literally got into a butterfly guard that he cannot get out of every time. "Yep I'll just go to the butterfly position now, just like they taught in class! Uh oh uh it hurts!" Then he doesn't know how to get out.

i think edgar is 70% vs conor in a 5 round fight.
i suspect the line would be much closer.

The counter to Edgar is pretty easy, its a Cub Swanson that can keep it standing. Just ignore Edgars lacking strikes and focus on openings.

This creates an intriguing scenario. Whether Conor wins or loses against Aldo (say around mid 2015 provided no one is injured), he will most likely face a wolf-wrestler, someone like Mendes or Edgar, and could potentially drop 2 in a row. I wonder if he'll get a speech impediment if that does indeed happen...

McGregor is too intense, it's like Aldo. That's not the optimal way to beat Edgar, you need someone more relaxed like a Cub Swanson. Just don't leak any energy and look for openings. Don't approach it like a fight, it's more like trying to swa t a fly. He has no power, so you don't really have to pay him much respect. The intensity of McGregor and Aldo works against them, as they treat it like a fight, it's too balanced, Edgar has a huge leak that he has no power in strikes, just exploit it, he can't really fix it except with wrestling.

The trouble is that someone more relaxed doesn't have the inner compression to deal with the wrestling.

On November 23 2014 00:40 rOm wrote: This creates an intriguing scenario. Whether Conor wins or loses against Aldo (say around mid 2015 provided no one is injured), he will most likely face a wolf-wrestler, someone like Mendes or Edgar, and could potentially drop 2 in a row. I wonder if he'll get a speech impediment if that does indeed happen...

McGregor s the champ brah, no way he drops anything :D

Thought the first Aldo vs Edgar fight was reasonably close and Edgar has improved a ton since then, while Aldo's basically the same. Aldos obv the favorite, but not by a huge amount imo.

I thought Edgar won their first fight, but his face played a role against him. If they fight again it will be a close fight again imo. If Aldo's fight against Mendes was close he would be in trouble because his face was a mess.

-edit- nah i was wrong, aldo would never be in trouble. the fight was in brazil and we all know its impossible to beat a brazilian by decision in br.

where I can watch fights now that fights4all is gone??

On November 24 2014 06:41 drone666 wrote: where I can watch fights now that fights4all is gone??

You can watch the entire event in fightcreature.com
They upload all the mma events and really fast, good quality too.

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thanks a lot guys!